About time

[R.J. MacReady]

Who else broke rules, who weren't on camera?
Selective prosecution ain't fair.

I don't think you understand the meaning of your own words.
"Selective prosecution" implies 2 parties are guilty of the same infraction but only one is punished.

It is a complete assumption on your part that no name players are breaking the rules simply because we can't see
them. If you are winning on the PGA tour ..should you not be cleaning up our act? being a top players means more scrutiny. It comes with the territory.

This is the absolute fact here.

The Golf governing body, the sports media, and the players have all colluded to get behind this change.
Not because it unfairly punished players but because it was bad for ratings to show high profile players/players in the lead cheating.

Ask yourself, If the fans were catching players cheating that the PGA tour missed ..what is the fix the PGA tour put in now that fans can't call in? Nothing.

They do not want to put in a special rules official to watch the broadcast because that would do exactly what they are trying to avoid ....catching high profile players cheating that hurts ratings.





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[TheStarOne]

I don't think you understand the meaning of your own words.
"Selective prosecution" implies 2 parties are guilty of the same infraction but only one is punished.

It is a complete assumption on your part that no name players are breaking the rules simply because we can't see
them. If you are winning on the PGA tour ..should you not be cleaning up our act? being a top players means more scrutiny. It comes with the territory.

This is the absolute fact here.

The Golf governing body, the sports media, and the players have all colluded to get behind this change.
Not because it unfairly punished players but because it was bad for ratings to show high profile players/players in the lead cheating.

Ask yourself, If the fans were catching players cheating that the PGA tour missed ..what is the fix the PGA tour put in now that fans can't call in? Nothing.

They do not want to put in a special rules official to watch the broadcast because that would do exactly what they are trying to avoid ....catching high profile players cheating that hurts ratings.





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Rules are for ALL golfers, not just players on the leader board.
Golf is a sport about INTEGRITY for all players .......not just the ones who are covered on Sunday afternoon.
Either we trust players to police themselves, or we need 36 rules officials (one for each group) around the course. (or more).

 

[NEhomer]

You're just being stubborn and repeating yourself Star. Nobody is failing to understand your point.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I don't care how much one person is on TV compared to someone else.

You were either caught breaking the rules or not. If you are a golf star who gets more air time ..well then you have to be more careful than the next guy.

This is like the rule the military had for gays. Won't ask, don't tell.

The thing with Lexi ...someone calls in a violation, she did break the rule and the PGA punished her.
So how the hell is it the golf fan that gets blamed for that whole mess???

The fact is that fan was right but it was bad for business. The powers that be want the power to look the other
way when it's convenient.

Don't forget who you are dealing with here. Golf if the only major sport in the world that hides it's PED users.
They never release the names of those caught using. That is there rule. Only the biggest control freaks would do that in this day and age.



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I like it. Should have been done a decade a go.

Put a camera on every group...appoint a group of TV ruling monitors...do whatever they need to do to ensure a fair playing field for all players but take spectators out of the ruling business.

 

[NEhomer]

I like it. Should have been done a decade a go.

Put a camera on every group...appoint a group of TV ruling monitors...do whatever they need to do to ensure a fair playing field for all players but take spectators out of the ruling business.

Why?

Why not get the rulings correct regardless? What is it about a fan calling in an infraction that irks people? I honestly don't get it.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Why?

Why not get the rulings correct regardless? What is it about a fan calling in an infraction that irks people? I honestly don't get it.

Fans do gamble on golf, fans can have agendas.

 

[NEhomer]

Fans do gamble on golf, fans can have agendas.

...but they do nothing but bring about investigation. How may a viewer erroneously skew the outcome of a match or tourney?

 

[ATL96Steeler]

...but they do nothing but bring about investigation. How may a viewer erroneously skew the outcome of a match or tourney?

Using the Lexi situation...hypothetical of course...we're focusing on the call that are made. Let's say the fan that called in the fraction had money on Lexi to win the tourney and therefore decided NOT to call it in.

 

[NEhomer]

Using the Lexi situation...hypothetical of course...we're focusing on the call that are made. Let's say the fan that called in the fraction had money on Lexi to win the tourney and therefore decided NOT to call it in.

If that infraction which was not going to be called by Lexi or an on course official anyway isn't enforced, what's the loss? What's the difference?

 

[ATL96Steeler]

If that infraction which was not going to be called by Lexi or an on course official anyway isn't enforced, what's the loss? What's the difference?

The loss? Lexi most likely would have won the tourney with an infraction in her back pocket.

So the difference imo...if a paid rules official (that should not have any bias) watching the same tape calls the infraction...as a result there was a different player hoisting the trophy.

 

[NEhomer]

The loss? Lexi most likely would have won the tourney with an infraction in her back pocket.

So the difference imo...if a paid rules official (that should not have any bias) watching the same tape calls the infraction...as a result there was a different player hoisting the trophy.

I'm honestly not trying to be contrarian.

...are they watching the same tape? Then bad on the official, not the TV viewer. The world is an imperfect place but viewers calling in while the competition is still open, makes officiating more accurate. I'm just not getting what's bad about that.

Again, I applaud players not being DQed for an infraction they weren't aware of but all known penalties should apply.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I'm honestly not trying to be contrarian.

...are they watching the same tape? Then bad on the official, not the TV viewer. The world is an imperfect place but viewers calling in while the competition is still open, makes officiating more accurate. I'm just not getting what's bad about that.

Again, I applaud players not being DQed for an infraction they weren't aware of but all known penalties should apply.

I'm with you in principle...we want the call to be correct.

But how we get there, we're probably never going to agree on this one NE.

At one time, I think it was appropriate, but with the technology they have today, I just don't think outside interests should factor in the results of a professional golf tourney or any televised golf tourney actually..

 

[redseat]

I'm with you in principle...we want the call to be correct.

But how we get there, we're probably never going to agree on this one NE.

At one time, I think it was appropriate, but with the technology they have today, I just don't think outside interests should factor in the results of a professional golf tourney or any televised golf tourney actually..

and also what other sport if something doesn't get called can someone call in and say, "he so and so committed" something wrong and, oh you're right... sorry..."

Besides if the tour is really worried about missing things it's not like they can't just watch the tape AFTER the tournaments anyway and make a judgement if needed.... Not someone watching on tv calling in to point it out

 

[NEhomer]

I'm still waiting for someone to make a cogent argument for why it matters if it's a fan calling in.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I'm still waiting for someone to make a cogent argument for why it matters if it's a fan calling in.

Perhaps not so much about who calls it in, but I don't like the idea of some infraction being discovered & penalty applied hours or even a day later. Golfers have strategies & a big part is dictated by where they stand in a tourney at a given pt. Rulings like this really mess that up (e.g. D. Johnson a few years ago with the ball moving on putting surface).

The big question I have w/ reply or calling things in with any sport is why is the expectation that everything needs to be perfect? In the past there were mistakes & so be it - it didn't kill anyone. IMO the NFL has ruined replay by the quest for perfection & it just screws things up more & leads to insane delays. Why not just be good w/ having some flaws in the officiating unless there is a blatant attempt say by a golfer to cheat (not some minor infraction). I just think that they are taking this thing way too far.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

I'm still waiting for someone to make a cogent argument for why it matters if it's a fan calling in.

....and they can make that argument while looking at what Lexi did and tell me that was not intentional.

When she marks her ball the entire coin is not visible ...after the entire coin is.
That was nothing short of straight up cheating.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

....and they can make that argument while looking at what Lexi did and tell me that was not intentional.

When she marks her ball the entire coin is not visible ...after the entire coin is.
That was nothing short of straight up cheating.

Clearly a bad mark, and she deserved a penalty, but questioning her intent is a reach imo.

 

[NEhomer]

What remains perplexing about the Lexi thing is that it was a fucking tap in.

 

[fknhippie]

What remains perplexing about the Lexi thing is that it was a fucking tap in.

In my game, there's no such thing.

 

[Roy Munson]

....and they can make that argument while looking at what Lexi did and tell me that was not intentional.

When she marks her ball the entire coin is not visible ...after the entire coin is.
That was nothing short of straight up cheating.

hahahaha, cheating... on a 2 foot putt.

smack yourself in the head with your driver.