About time

[fknhippie]

Golf will no longer accept input from fans on rules violations

 

[R.J. MacReady]

The powers that be in golf did not like losing control on when, where and on who they applied their golf rules to.

This gives them the flexibility to not enforce a rule when it is clearly been broken but only when "they say" it has been broken.

A man on a flying horse can see what this was about.


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[Ricky Roma]

A man on a flying horse can see what this was about.

OK I give up....I've never been on a flying horse. Are you're simply talking about the Lexi incident?

In the meantime, I think it's something that should be implemented. The broadcast is somewhat limited, so you'll get only a certain amount of shots as opposed to almost every shot when you're talking about guys like Spieth or even Tiger at this point.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

OK I give up....I've never been on a flying horse. Are you're simply talking about the Lexi incident?

In the meantime, I think it's something that should be implemented. The broadcast is somewhat limited, so you'll get only a certain amount of shots as opposed to almost every shot when you're talking about guys like Spieth or even Tiger at this point.

I don't care how much one person is on TV compared to someone else.

You were either caught breaking the rules or not. If you are a golf star who gets more air time ..well then you have to be more careful than the next guy.

This is like the rule the military had for gays. Won't ask, don't tell.

The thing with Lexi ...someone calls in a violation, she did break the rule and the PGA punished her.
So how the hell is it the golf fan that gets blamed for that whole mess???

The fact is that fan was right but it was bad for business. The powers that be want the power to look the other
way when it's convenient.

Don't forget who you are dealing with here. Golf if the only major sport in the world that hides it's PED users.
They never release the names of those caught using. That is there rule. Only the biggest control freaks would do that in this day and age.



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[Ricky Roma]

I don't care how much one person is on TV compared to someone else.

You were either caught breaking the rules or not. If you are a golf star who gets more air time ..well then you have to be more careful than the next guy.

This is like the rule the military had for gays. Won't ask, don't tell.

The thing with Lexi ...someone calls in a violation, she did break the rule and the PGA punished her.
So how the hell is it the golf fan that gets blamed for that whole mess???

The fact is that fan was right but it was bad for business. The powers that be want the power to look the other
way when it's convenient.

Don't forget who you are dealing with here. Golf if the only major sport in the world that hides it's PED users.
They never release the names of those caught using. That is there rule. Only the biggest control freaks would do that in this day and age.

I get all that....I just think given that you can't really judge it equally given that it's based on TV coverage, that alone makes the point silly. It's just like any other sport...there are officials, and they're human. They make mistakes just like everybody else, but they alone are the ones who make those decisions. The fans are just that - fans - and they're there to be entertained. I won't go further than that in regards to other sports simply because of the dynamics involved (slower pace/over a period of days/scoring structure).

The fan shouldn't be punished....the golfing powers-that-be should've never opened that can in the first place and allowed that nonsense. Anybody who calls in gets a response like I've given, and the point is absolute moot. Put it this way....without anybody mentioning it, would the Lexi Thompson incident be remembered? I can almost guarantee you not.

As for PED's....sure there are players on it, but no way is that the only sport who 'hides' the users. Pretty much every NFL player uses some sort of enhancement, but they can't just kick them all out for obvious reasons.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

I get all that....I just think given that you can't really judge it equally given that it's based on TV coverage, that alone makes the point silly. It's just like any other sport...there are officials, and they're human. They make mistakes just like everybody else, but they alone are the ones who make those decisions. The fans are just that - fans - and they're there to be entertained. I won't go further than that in regards to other sports simply because of the dynamics involved (slower pace/over a period of days/scoring structure).

The fan shouldn't be punished....the golfing powers-that-be should've never opened that can in the first place and allowed that nonsense. Anybody who calls in gets a response like I've given, and the point is absolute moot. Put it this way....without anybody mentioning it, would the Lexi Thompson incident be remembered? I can almost guarantee you not.

As for PED's....sure there are players on it, but no way is that the only sport who 'hides' the users. Pretty much every NFL player uses some sort of enhancement, but they can't just kick them all out for obvious reasons.

This is a form of trying to bury the truth. The truth of what does and does not happen in the field of play.

*Was Lexi guilty of her rules violation? Yes.
*As a professional should she noticed her mistake a penalize herself? Yes.
*Should the USGA, LPGA, PGA with hundreds of rules officials noticed that rules violations when it happened?
Yes.
They all failed to do their damn job. Plain & simple.

Who did not fail? The armchair official. He was the only one paying attention and he was the one they punished.
The armchair official made a lot of people look bad and so now they fixed it.

The new change is the tour putting up a big sign that says.

"WE DON"T WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH"




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[Ricky Roma]

This is a form of trying to bury the truth. The truth of what does and does not happen in the field of play.

*Was Lexi guilty of her rules violation? Yes.
*As a professional should she noticed her mistake a penalize herself? Yes.
*Should the USGA, LPGA, PGA with hundreds of rules officials noticed that rules violations when it happened?
Yes.
They all failed to do their damn job. Plain & simple.

Who did not fail? The armchair official. He was the only one paying attention and he was the one they punished.
The armchair official made a lot of people look bad and so now they fixed it.

The new change is the tour putting up a big sign that says.

"WE DON"T WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH"




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Again....the game is played and officiated by humans - and humans make mistakes. Tournaments/scores shouldn't ever be decided because some fan called in to point out an error.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

Again....the game is played and officiated by humans - and humans make mistakes. Tournaments/scores shouldn't ever be decided because some fan called in to point out an error.

"Tournaments/scores shouldn't ever be decided because a player was seen breaking the rules."

That is a factual translation of what you just said. And it's absurd.

The world of golf is like no other professional sport in the world. It's players do what no other players do.
They call penalties on themselves. It is this integrity that is the bedrock of the sport itself.

Does today's high def coverage present challenges for today's game? Of course it does. And every other professional sport has grown to in-brace today's technologies to make the game better. To make sure the truth of what happens in the field of play is presented and ruled upon. It may never be perfect but we embrace the new tools of the day to get as close as we can.

Instead of finding ways of embracing technology, the USGA hides from it and the truth it brings.

The USGA is acting scared 6 year old boy in his bed who pulls the covers over his head so he can't see the monster in his closet.





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[Ricky Roma]

"Tournaments/scores shouldn't ever be decided because a player was seen breaking the rules."

That is a factual translation of what you just said. And it's absurd.

Uuuhhh no. Your interpretation is absurd. Aaaaagain...the sport....just like every sport, is controlled by the players and officials, period. The player/official made a mistake.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

Uuuhhh no. Your interpretation is absurd. Aaaaagain...the sport....just like every sport, is controlled by the players and officials, period. The player/official made a mistake.

Aaaaagain, Golf is unlike every other sport. I explained why.

It is not a mistake. It is a rules violation. Intent is not relevent
It was not a mistake when Dustin Johnson grounded his club in a sand trap..it was a rules violation.

...and the solution is now to try hide rules violations?

That is not a fix, it's a travesty to the game founded on integrity.



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[fknhippie]

The problem is the reports for a violation aren't timely. A player getting a penalty might alter his strategy if he's aware of the penalty right away, and the disqualification for signing a wrong scorecard exists.

 

[Ricky Roma]

...and the solution is now to try hide rules violations?

When you keep on making up arguments to make your point, your point falls apart. Nobody is talking about hiding violations. I don't care what the powers of golf do....have 20 officials follow every group, put sensors in the ball/greens....do whatever they want to ensure it doesn't happen.

However, it should never, ever come down to an entity outside of the governing body of a sport to make split second decisions for them, ie, a fan calling in.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

When you keep on making up arguments to make your point, your point falls apart. Nobody is talking about hiding violations. I don't care what the powers of golf do....have 20 officials follow every group, put sensors in the ball/greens....do whatever they want to ensure it doesn't happen.

However, it should never, ever come down to an entity outside of the governing body of a sport to make split second decisions for them, ie, a fan calling in.

Follow me here.

* You have rules violations coming in from a source outside of the golf governing body.
Rules violations that the governing body initially missed.

* The golf governing body decides to end any input from the outside source that discovered rules violations
that the governing body missed.

* The governing body makes no changes internally to try to catch the rules violations it has missed in the past.


How can it not be concluded that the golf governing body wants to look the other way to these rules violations?

Feel free to prove that is a made up argument.



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[Ricky Roma]

Follow me here.

* You have rules violations coming in from a source outside of the golf governing body.
Rules violations that the governing body initially missed.

* The golf governing body decides to end any input from the outside source that discovered rules violations
that the governing body missed.

* The governing body makes no changes internally to try to catch the rules violations it has missed in the past.


How can it not be concluded that the golf governing body wants to look the other way to these rules violations?

Feel free to prove that is a made up argument.



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- They missed an infraction.

- They never should've allowed an outside source to interfere with said infraction in the first place.

- A mistake was made by both player/official. This wasn't some knowing, deceivious ploy buy anybody. It was a mistake.

 

[TheStarOne]

great decision

selective enforcement of rules was stupid.........

 

[packerzrule]

Imagine if viewers of football were allowed to call in penalties.

 

[Ewa PGH Fan]

Imagine if viewers of football were allowed to call in penalties.

Wait... what if we're allowed to decide what's a catch and what's not?

 

[NEhomer]

I have no problem with TV call ins.

Lexi fucked up, Tiger fucked up, Craig Stadler fucked up......and on and on.

Don't break the rules and nobody will have anything to call in about.

 

[TheStarOne]

I have no problem with TV call ins.

Lexi fucked up, Tiger fucked up, Craig Stadler fucked up......and on and on.

Don't break the rules and nobody will have anything to call in about.

Who else broke rules, who weren't on camera?
Selective prosecution ain't fair.

 

[NEhomer]

Who else broke rules, who weren't on camera?
Selective prosecution ain't fair.

All drunk drivers aren't pulled over.

I have no problem with the decision that corrected someone getting DQed for signing an incorrect scorecard for a rule they didn't know they broke...ie unwittingly snapping off a leaf on a practice swing...but if it's known that you broke a rule, some of you are suggesting that consequences shouldn't be applied and I don't get it. A distinction must be made between Sunday night when the competition closes and the first four days while competition is still going on of course.

Look, when you try to apply comparisons to other sports you'd have to make a bizarre sitch where the officials can't see the OB line and only some TV viewers could clearly see that a player stepped on the white line.

You don't break rules when you play golf and if you do, be prepared to accept the consequences.