A Positive Wentz Article

[Sportster 72]

my thing is i dont think we needed to give up what we did to get him

i expect wince will play like a mid level qb and make some great plays and will make some awful ones . in the past that wasnt good enough even though it should have been . you can win with a mid level guy but you have to have good players around him

Oh they probably gave too much for him, especially if Indy wanted to get rid of him so badly. When hasn't Washington given up too much. Who was the Atlanta RB they acquired for two draft picks? What did they give up for Jason Taylor, two picks right? A second and a 3rd or 4th for McNabb. It isn't just RR, it is the organization.

How many guys named Cousins, Williams and Scherff let walk for a $10 chip?

I love the story of Heinicke but he is limited. They needed a QB so they did what they always do ... they over paid. Meanwhile Scherff and Ironman left and the FO got pretty much the lowest they could.

I'd rather see a more QB with NFL caliber talent. I have said all along "I have no idea if it will work but I am going to give the guy a chance and cross my fingers." If Wentz doesn't work they call always trade 3 No. 1's and a couple of 2's for a QB next year. It is what a Snyder organization does.

 

[Rowdy]

Until this team gets a competent qb every pick, every trade, every coaching decision will be bad. If you don’t have a decent qb in the nfl you have no chance. Therefore swing for the fences. I don’t give a damn. Wentz is worth the shot

 

[duke1861]

This is interesting from an Eagles beat writer and reporter who has followed Wentz since he was drafted.

"You'll probably see it this year, there will be moments where you look at him and go, 'All right, that guy has top-10 talent,' and then it feels like he just can't get out of his own way. It's tough to watch."

What's caused Wentz's downfall since, at least per Zangaro, is that he has immense trouble avoiding, well, immense trouble.

"It's like he thinks he's Brett Favre," Zangaro said at one point of the interview.

"Even as we saw last year in Indy, the mistakes are just the worst mistakes ever," he later added.

There are still moments when you see it in him," Zangaro said, "but they're fleeting at this point."

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[deanpet21]

grap is crap ? doubtful mayfield , TB MT all can get us the 7-9 wins wince would get . picket in the draft could as well

grap is coming off a major injury. Pickett fell in the draft. If Carolina passed on him, you know something is wrong. He is a big wildcard.

 

[deanpet21]

they made a deal they didnt have to make , hell falco with a better team around him would be ok

wow. The team had no confidence in TH. It was proved in FA and the draft.

 

[duke1861]

they made a deal they didnt have to make , hell falco with a better team around him would be ok

I would love to know two things about the deal.

1. What the trade conversation was like between RR/Mayhew and Ballard/Irsay.
2. What Ballard/Irsay said right after they hung up. I am sure it was 10 minutes of uncontrollable laughter.

 

[Sportster 72]

When your TD to INT rate is 3-1 is that more successes or failures .... asking for a friend?

 

[Manster7588]

Not that it matters, I love reading deanpets post. Forever the optimist.

Not saying there's no way he's wrong, but the dominoes have to fall right, and this is the NFL especially in the Anything can Happen NFCE.

I can't wait until the season gets here.

 

[deanpet21]

Not that it matters, I love reading deanpets post. Forever the optimist.

Not saying there's no way he's wrong, but the dominoes have to fall right, and this is the NFL especially in the Anything can Happen NFCE.

I can't wait until the season gets here.

Im not going into this season that Wentz is going to fail. Could it happen? Yes, but you have hope going in. Any fan would.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Unless he lays a complete fucking egg in 2022.....of course he will.

 

[skinsdad62]

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i expect he will be much like this

 

[skinsdad62]

here is a good one

 

[deanpet21]

Did you not ready what McAfee said? He said the numbers are misleading. He knows more about Wentz than you do as he is an NFL all-pro and Pro Bowl player. He is a die-hard Colts fan and college football analyst. He called Wentz the most "reckless QB he ever saw". He should have thrown 11 INTs or even more. Apparently, he is an idiot and should be listening to you.

Reich also knows more than you and Rivera as well. You make it seem as if the Colts are insane for trading him after 1 year. The front office and players do not feel that way. Did you not read Reich's quote I provided?

You are speculating about the Eagles last year again. You were proven wrong so there is no need to address that. I am not going to waste my time. You continue to leave out the defensive issues in those Eagles games and continue to purposely ignore the league's WORST passing defense.

We can drop this conversation as it is a waste of my time. You fail to think objectively and other posters have stated that as well. I am done.

hey read this from a Seattle fan about Wilson

I thought he had a better chance to win here than Denver in the loaded AFC. Crossing my fingers Wentz works out. Wilson chose Denver.

He would've for sure. The NFC is really only Green Bay, Tampa, and LA at the moment (at least that are scaring anyone).

That said, I think it was smarter by the Skins to hang onto their next 3 1st rounders (what they were offering). I actually think Wilson's best days are behind him. He's not a true pocket QB like Brady, Rodgers, and the new guys. He extends plays, and relies on playaction and outside throws WAAAAY too much. And good defenses simply know that now and have picked up on it - a glaring reason why Seattle is barely scoring at all in the postseasons they've been to in recent years. Add to that his waning mobility compared to 3-10 years ago, and it's just not the same.

Wilson's cracked 300 yards 3 out of 16 times in the playoffs+title games. And that's because the playoffs generally feature better defenses that are quicker and not fooled as often by playaction (mind you Seattle had a good RB situation with Lynch early on), outside the pocket scrambling (isolating sides of the field) and constant throws to the outside.

 

[duke1861]

hey read this from a Seattle fan about Wilson



He would've for sure. The NFC is really only Green Bay, Tampa, and LA at the moment (at least that are scaring anyone).

That said, I think it was smarter by the Skins to hang onto their next 3 1st rounders (what they were offering). I actually think Wilson's best days are behind him. He's not a true pocket QB like Brady, Rodgers, and the new guys. He extends plays, and relies on playaction and outside throws WAAAAY too much. And good defenses simply know that now and have picked up on it - a glaring reason why Seattle is barely scoring at all in the postseasons they've been to in recent years. Add to that his waning mobility compared to 3-10 years ago, and it's just not the same.

Wilson's cracked 300 yards 3 out of 16 times in the playoffs+title games. And that's because the playoffs generally feature better defenses that are quicker and not fooled as often by playaction (mind you Seattle had a good RB situation with Lynch early on), outside the pocket scrambling (isolating sides of the field) and constant throws to the outside.

We have discussed this several times. There were several factors that go into why players select a team over another. If this was the case, every free agent would sign with only 3-5 teams each year and take pay cuts to do so. If it is "all" about winning, then no other factors matter period.

The fact that you ran to the general NFL board to bring this up...YET again, speaks volumes. I have no clue what the connection to Carson Wentz is? The thread is about Carson Wentz and now we are talking about how Wilson made a grave mistake by going to DEN?

Is anyone else following this?

 

[deanpet21]

We have discussed this several times. There were several factors that go into why players select a team over another. If this was the case, every free agent would sign with only 3-5 teams each year and take pay cuts to do so. If it is "all" about winning, then no other factors matter period.

The fact that you ran to the general NFL board to bring this up...YET again, speaks volumes.

No it doesnt. You flipped when I said he had a better chance to win here and you couldn't believe someone would think that. Well someone else did

 

[Breed]

Oh they probably gave too much for him, especially if Indy wanted to get rid of him so badly. When hasn't Washington given up too much. Who was the Atlanta RB they acquired for two draft picks? What did they give up for Jason Taylor, two picks right? A second and a 3rd or 4th for McNabb. It isn't just RR, it is the organization.

How many guys named Cousins, Williams and Scherff let walk for a $10 chip?

I love the story of Heinicke but he is limited. They needed a QB so they did what they always do ... they over paid. Meanwhile Scherff and Ironman left and the FO got pretty much the lowest they could.

I'd rather see a more QB with NFL caliber talent. I have said all along "I have no idea if it will work but I am going to give the guy a chance and cross my fingers." If Wentz doesn't work they call always trade 3 No. 1's and a couple of 2's for a QB next year. It is what a Snyder organization does.

Start/rant

Damn it Sportster, just when I thought I was out. You went n pulled me back in. I know there have been worse teams than the 2004 to 2007 Redskins, but for me. Those teams, teams that had Joe Gibbs as their HC were the most disappointing. If for no other reason than the hopes I had when JG came back to coaching. I thought 4 years, at the very most and the Skins would be hoisting their 4th Super Bowl trophy.

TJ Duckett was the ATL RB who they kept out of sight and on the bench (allegedly) after trading for him. I thought some type of witness protection program deal with the Skins, Falcons and the US Marshalls had been made. Was that experimnet was all said n done. It amounted to Duckett being with the Skins 10 games and getting 32 carries for 132 yards @ 3.4 ypc and 2 TDs . After that 2006 season the Marshalls set Duckett up in Detroit.

And after acquiring Taylor what did the Skins do? Made him a left side DE or a right side DE, I don't remember except to say it was on the opposite side of the DL that Taylor had played his entire NFL career up to that point. is that a big thing? A little part of me says nope. But a bigger part of me says WTF! The Skins took a sharp dressed gentleman of leisure on the stroll and, put him in some torn up overalls, no socks and ratty ass shower shoes, gave him a black eye, knocked out his front teeth and said. Now go get some pussy. Taylor did stick around longer than Duckett did. 13 game with 8 starts and 3.5 sacks for the 2008 season. After that season he went right back to the Phins in 2009 and doubled his 2008 sack total.

And speaking of homegrown players the Skins said, "Fuck you very much, now go kick rocks." to. Antonio Pierce started that trian down the tracks. Evenh though he had been with the Skins for 3 years. After Michael Barrow was signed to be the Skins starting MLB in 2004 and whatever injury never played a down for the Skins. Pierce was tabbed to be the starting MLB and was a revelation and shining diamond in the rough. Both Gibbs and Triple G expressed legit butt hurt that Pierce was given no pro bowl love and said he was priority signing #1 as he was to be a FA after 2004. So what happened? They dragged their feet, bad mouthed Pierce and watched the Giants snatch him awa1y. Which imo was a major reason why a very good 2004 defense and pretty good in 2005 fll apart in 2006. Pierce by the way would be the Giants starting MLB for the next 5 years where he would be part of the Super Bowl winning team of 2008.

And just cuz I'm butthurt right now thinkin about it. Letting Walt Harris, he was the Skins #3 CB in 2004 and 2005, and many speculated it was due to a bad outing against TB during the reg season and was happy he wasn't retained for the 2006 season. Unfortunately the players signed to replace him, Kenny Wright and Mike Rumph were in Charles Barkley's words, turrible. How turrible is hard to quantify, I'll just throw this gem out there. Harris was signed by the 9ers to be their starting CB in 2006 and ended up 3rd in the league in INTs with 8/1 INT ret TD, forced 4 fumbles and recovered 1 fum. I thought his season was more worthy than his 3rd team pro bowl selection. I know for damn sure it was better than every DB on the Skins in 2006. As Harris by himself forced just as many fumbles by himself as all Skins DBs combined. And had more INTs by himself than the Redskins had as a team , 6. Harris played 3 seasons for the 9ers, 06-08. Both Rumph and W0right for out of football before the 2008 began.

Running Clinton Portis straight into the ground. Portis had seasons of 352 carries, 343 carries, 342 carries and 325 carries for the Skins. Aside from his amazing season of 1983 when he toted the rock an insane 375 times. The only other time in his carrer John Riggins had 300+ carries was in 84 when he had 327 carries. And Riggo was never played in the preseason by Gibbs. Gibbs made Portis play in the first presason game of 2006 aganst Cincy, where he was immediately hurt/injured on Patrick Ramsey's 1st pass of the game which was INTed and CP ran down the Cincy player preventing a TD. LaDell Betts filled in decently for CP in 2006 though, 245 carries, 1027 yards, 4.7 ypc n 4 TDs (he wasn't a very good short yardage RB imo though) and Gibbs promised to take some of load of CP by playing both Betts and CP. Never happened though and after Joe G left after 2007. Jim Zornn completed the running into the ground of CP in 2008 and he was prett7y much done.

Sigh. Fuck. I was just joshing with you Sportster. You didn't pull me back in. I've never really gotten out. You're absolutely right though. Its not just RR;s crew or Gibbs 2.0. Every coaching staff in the Snyder Era has done some ass backwards, nonsensical shit. And if by organization you meant its Daniel Snyder I agree with a perfect QB rating of 158.3. Snyder is the constant, the 1 ever existing piece in this clown car of an organization for the 2 decades.

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[Breed]

Until this team gets a competent qb every pick, every trade, every coaching decision will be bad. If you don’t have a decent qb in the nfl you have no chance. Therefore swing for the fences. I don’t give a damn. Wentz is worth the shot

I disagree to an extent. Not having a decent QB has nothing to do with having what is probably the 2nd shittiest kicking game the last decade in the NFL. And it might've been the worst before that. Not having a competent QB has nothing to do with shitty play in the last 2 minutes of a half or stupidly wasting time outs well before halftime and the 4th qt. It has nothing to do with DBs who look more lost in coverage. Than a black walking into a KKK metting in the Georgia wood playing Public Enemy's Fight The Power on a boom bopx so big he's pullin that bitch in a red ryder wagon. Wearing a t-shirt that says on the front Where all the white women at? And on the back says On my dick!

You say Wince is worth a shot. I just hope that shot isn't into the head of the Skins fans collective metaphorically speaking.

 

[Sportster 72]

Start/rant

Damn it Sportster, just when I thought I was out. You went n pulled me back in. I know there have been worse teams than the 2004 to 2007 Redskins, but for me. Those teams, teams that had Joe Gibbs as their HC were the most disappointing. If for no other reason than the hopes I had when JG came back to coaching. I thought 4 years, at the very most and the Skins would be hoisting their 4th Super Bowl trophy.

TJ Duckett was the ATL RB who they kept out of sight and on the bench (allegedly) after trading for him. I thought some type of witness protection program deal with the Skins, Falcons and the US Marshalls had been made. Was that experimnet was all said n done. It amounted to Duckett being with the Skins 10 games and getting 32 carries for 132 yards @ 3.4 ypc and 2 TDs . After that 2006 season the Marshalls set Duckett up in Detroit.

And after acquiring Taylor what did the Skins do? Made him a left side DE or a right side DE, I don't remember except to say it was on the opposite side of the DL that Taylor had played his entire NFL career up to that point. is that a big thing? A little part of me says nope. But a bigger part of me says WTF! The Skins took a sharp dressed gentleman of leisure on the stroll and, put him in some torn up overalls, no socks and ratty ass shower shoes, gave him a black eye, knocked out his front teeth and said. Now go get some pussy. Taylor did stick around longer than Duckett did. 13 game with 8 starts and 3.5 sacks for the 2008 season. After that season he went right back to the Phins in 2009 and doubled his 2008 sack total.

And speaking of homegrown players the Skins said, "Fuck you very much, now go kick rocks." to. Antonio Pierce started that trian down the tracks. Evenh though he had been with the Skins for 3 years. After Michael Barrow was signed to be the Skins starting MLB in 2004 and whatever injury never played a down for the Skins. Pierce was tabbed to be the starting MLB and was a revelation and shining diamond in the rough. Both Gibbs and Triple G expressed legit butt hurt that Pierce was given no pro bowl love and said he was priority signing #1 as he was to be a FA after 2004. So what happened? They dragged their feet, bad mouthed Pierce and watched the Giants snatch him awa1y. Which imo was a major reason why a very good 2004 defense and pretty good in 2005 fll apart in 2006. Pierce by the way would be the Giants starting MLB for the next 5 years where he would be part of the Super Bowl winning team of 2008.

And just cuz I'm butthurt right now thinkin about it. Letting Walt Harris, he was the Skins #3 CB in 2004 and 2005, and many speculated it was due to a bad outing against TB during the reg season and was happy he wasn't retained for the 2006 season. Unfortunately the players signed to replace him, Kenny Wright and Mike Rumph were in Charles Barkley's words, turrible. How turrible is hard to quantify, I'll just throw this gem out there. Harris was signed by the 9ers to be their starting CB in 2006 and ended up 3rd in the league in INTs with 8/1 INT ret TD, forced 4 fumbles and recovered 1 fum. I thought his season was more worthy than his 3rd team pro bowl selection. I know for damn sure it was better than every DB on the Skins in 2006. As Harris by himself forced just as many fumbles by himself as all Skins DBs combined. And had more INTs by himself than the Redskins had as a team , 6. Harris played 3 seasons for the 9ers, 06-08. Both Rumph and W0right for out of football before the 2008 began.

Running Clinton Portis straight into the ground. Portis had seasons of 352 carries, 343 carries, 342 carries and 325 carries for the Skins. Aside from his amazing season of 1983 when he toted the rock an insane 375 times. The only other time in his carrer John Riggins had 300+ carries was in 84 when he had 327 carries. And Riggo was never played in the preseason by Gibbs. Gibbs made Portis play in the first presason game of 2006 aganst Cincy, where he was immediately hurt/injured on Patrick Ramsey's 1st pass of the game which was INTed and CP ran down the Cincy player preventing a TD. LaDell Betts filled in decently for CP in 2006 though, 245 carries, 1027 yards, 4.7 ypc n 4 TDs (he wasn't a very good short yardage RB imo though) and Gibbs promised to take some of load of CP by playing both Betts and CP. Never happened though and after Joe G left after 2007. Jim Zornn completed the running into the ground of CP in 2008 and he was prett7y much done.

Sigh. Fuck. I was just joshing with you Sportster. You didn't pull me back in. I've never really gotten out. You're absolutely right though. Its not just RR;s crew or Gibbs 2.0. Every coaching staff in the Snyder Era has done some ass backwards, nonsensical shit. And if by organization you meant its Daniel Snyder I agree with a perfect QB rating of 158.3. Snyder is the constant, the 1 ever existing piece in this clown car of an organization for the 2 decades.

End/rant

You can't leave if for no other reason than you are valuable to the forum.

Good calls all around. I was living and working NY when Gibbs Part Deaux happened. I jumped around the house and said "they are going back to the Bowl." Joe could coach them up but he shouldn't have been allowed to buy the groceries. I remember when Beathard left all too well. That was the start of the decline of the Redskins, Gibbs rode the pony until it was time to put out to pasture and then went to NASCAR. It isn't just RR.

Sigh, Antonio Pierce ... not only a good football player but a good guy. Stud in NY. How about Ryan Clark? What the f*ck were they thinking? Yep to Walt Harris. I think some (not all) don't realize how good Portis was. He was too small to be used like he was. He was a junk yard dog.

Every year fans blame the HC or the DC or the QB etc. etc. .... 158.3, the constant is Snyder.

The kicking game is a good call also. Once again "some" want to blame others but forget how bad the kicking team has been for so long and how many games it cost the Skins. It seems like most years 1 or 2 games.

We'll do what we always do, root for the Redskins with some side emphasis on a few other teams. I root for a couple of those Cali teams with former Redskin coaches and of course the Vikings with with Cousins. Hail to the ..... oh yeah ... we don't do that anymore.

 

[Sportster 72]

To be fair go Gibbs, he was one part of two times the Skins won 24 games in a three year period. The other was Gruden with Cousins. That isn't a lot to brag about but it is the best consecutive year runs under Danny the Pimp.

 

[Rowdy]

I disagree to an extent. Not having a decent QB has nothing to do with having what is probably the 2nd shittiest kicking game the last decade in the NFL. And it might've been the worst before that. Not having a competent QB has nothing to do with shitty play in the last 2 minutes of a half or stupidly wasting time outs well before halftime and the 4th qt. It has nothing to do with DBs who look more lost in coverage. Than a black walking into a KKK metting in the Georgia wood playing Public Enemy's Fight The Power on a boom bopx so big he's pullin that bitch in a red ryder wagon. Wearing a t-shirt that says on the front Where all the white women at? And on the back says On my dick!

You say Wince is worth a shot. I just hope that shot isn't into the head of the Skins fans collective metaphorically speaking.

Would they’ve been in those situations with better qb play that often?