A.L. Central Smack 2015

[MiamiVice]

now a .4 Dwar is elite? LOL

 

[StanMarsh51]

Go back and read what I said... I said he isn't top 25 or even top 100... and POSSIBLY not even top 150. Depending on how you look at Gordon's numbers he is NOT a top 100 batter. And what you are saying is very true.. I am sorry.. but you can't use the last 5 years to show what Gordon will be at age 32.. he is clearly not the same player he was a few years ago... Defensively or Offensively.

His offensive numbers are right in line with what they've been the past couple years, so how can you say he's clearly not the same.

From 2011-2014, he had a .356 OBP and 121 OPS+. In 2015, he had a .377 OBP and 120 OPS+. How are those not similar?

Seriously, do you make things up as you go along and hope no one calls you out on them?

 

[MiamiVice]

top 50 position players getting paid like top 25 position players doesn't work out well in the long run for small market teams.. Small market teams win when top 25 players are paid like top 50 players.

 

[MiamiVice]

His offensive numbers are right in line with what they've been the past couple years, so how can you say he's clearly not the same.

From 2011-2014, he had a .356 OBP and 121 OPS+. In 2015, he had a .377 OBP and 120 OPS+. How are those not similar?

Seriously, do you make things up as you go along and hope no one calls you out on them?

Gordon's BA has been on a decline for the most part since 2011... He is not stealing bases like he was in 2011 or even 2013 anymore... he missed a large chunk of time to injury.. and is 32 years old.. you think he is going to magically morph back into 2011 Alex Gordon now that he has a big contract?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

His offensive numbers are right in line with what they've been the past couple years, so how can you say he's clearly not the same.

From 2011-2014, he had a .356 OBP and 121 OPS+. In 2015, he had a .377 OBP and 120 OPS+. How are those not similar?

Seriously, do you make things up as you go along and hope no one calls you out on them?

Most have gotten bored with embarrassing the guy by now.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Gordon's BA has been on a decline for the most part since 2011... He is not stealing bases like he was in 2011 or even 2013 anymore... he missed a large chunk of time to injury.. and is 32 years old.. you think he is going to magically morph back into 2011 Alex Gordon now that he has a big contract?

Dee Gordon had the 2nd highest average in baseball, so what? If he's getting on base at a good rate, most could care less about average. Gordon just posted the highest OBP of his career.

Gordon could certainly age relatively well as a player given he didn't make the majors until he was 23 because he went to college (which means less mileage on his body) and he's not the slugger type that tends to 'crash and burn' in their 30s. Look at the types like Kinsler, Zobrist, Choo, etc and I'd lump Gordon into that class. Guys like that tend to stay relatively productive well into their 30s if you look at similar players historically.

 

[navamind]

0.4 dWAR in 104 games (not even 2/3 of a season).

 

[MiamiVice]

Dee Gordon had the 2nd highest average in baseball, so what? If he's getting on base at a good rate, most could care less about average. Gordon just posted the highest OBP of his career.

Gordon could certainly age relatively well as a player given he didn't make the majors until he was 23 because he went to college (which means less mileage on his body) and he's not the slugger type that tends to 'crash and burn' in their 30s. Look at the types like Kinsler, Zobrist, Choo, etc and I'd lump Gordon into that class. Guys like that tend to stay relatively productive well into their 30s if you look at similar players historically.

Just admit it... His overall stats are getting worse... He is on the tail end of his prime. His defense, base running, and health are declining. You can cherry pick what ever stats you want.. Gordon just got paid like a top 25 position player and he isn't one.

 

[MiamiVice]

Dee Gordon had a way better 2015 by the way... 58 steals... 1.8 dwar... Led the nl in ba... Yeah... Bad example to cross alex gordon with.

 

[MiamiVice]

0.4 dWAR in 104 games (not even 2/3 of a season).

Regardless... His dwar would have been much lower than years past if he played more... Which he didn't because he is in his 30s and breaking down.

 

[MiamiVice]

Why not talk about alex gordon's playoff numbers? Those were shit.

 

[MiamiVice]

Alex Gordon is probably the 4th best position player on his own team... But lets act like he is the mvp or something. Heck he might even be the 5th best on his own team behind perez, cain, hosmer, and moustakas.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Why not talk about alex gordon's playoff numbers? Those were shit.

He had a .775 OPS in the playoffs with 10 runs in 16 games, which ain't bad at all....of course clowns who focus largely on batting average ignore that.

I guess you'd take the .300 hitter with a .700 OPS over the .275 hitter with a .800 OPS, cause batting average is awesome!

 

[StanMarsh51]

now a .4 Dwar is elite? LOL

WAR says Mike Trout was better than Cabrera the years he won MVP (and I don't think you were saying Trout should've won), but of course you pick and choose which stats to use when it's convenient on you.

Not homerish at all...

 

[MiamiVice]

He had a .775 OPS in the playoffs with 10 runs in 16 games, which ain't bad at all....of course clowns who focus largely on batting average ignore that.

I guess you'd take the .300 hitter with a .700 OPS over the .275 hitter with a .800 OPS, cause batting average is awesome!

He had 2 hr and 6 rbi in the entire post season... Serious stop trying to act like alex gordon is a top 25 player... He isn't. You can use any bs stat you want... He is a top 50 player at best getting paid like like a top 25.

 

[MiamiVice]

WAR says Mike Trout was better than Cabrera the years he won MVP (and I don't think you were saying Trout should've won), but of course you pick and choose which stats to use when it's convenient on you.

Not homerish at all...

You are the stat geek... Im just using your own argument against you.

 

[dougplayer]

I don't know if any royals would starters on the tigers.

 

[dougplayer]

I really like the Texians over the chiefs ..

 

[dougplayer]

I can see the royals struggling in 2016.tigers will be much better after a 1 year slip. The question is which team will push the tigers. Maybe the wire sox. They will be better than last year

 

[da55bums]

I don't know if any royals would starters on the tigers.

pretty much sure none of them would want to, WS Champs errr last place team...tough call