49ers a finalist for Manning

[Crimsoncrew]

adding players in the draft might not address current needs. there is a lack of guards and wr is blah this year.

i think konz or ben jones could replace goodwin this season, but it's hard to say how a rookie will play. konz should be able to play guard or centre his first year and play it well. 2nd round looks like it could be great value at corner. plus dwayne allen could drop to the late 2nd. a 2nd TE is basically a starter on this offense.

nobody can make crabtree look like a #1 wr if he can't get a step on webster.

I'm not as up on the draft this year as I have been in past years, but everything I have seen has indicated that it's a very good year for guards. And there is a lot of depth at WR, if not top-end talent. If the staff feels it needs to force a pick for the offense to function - and I doubt that they do - they will move up to take a player at a position of need. We've done it before.

If our offense is really as bad as you seem to think, we should be doing everything in our power to get Manning. At least he might make the offense average.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

no red zone target and a poor interior line. even gore couldn't go anywhere because the line got no push. harbaugh was also settling for field goals if we already had the lead.

these issues have to be addressed because u can't turn a toad into a princess. every effort needs to be made to surround manning with talent. the offensive line is critical considering manning is coming off of some serious surgery.

Again, other teams had comparable or less talent but got more out of them in crucial situations. Some of that is coaching. With our D and STs, we didn't have to force the issue. I don't believe the playcalling would have been nearly as conservative if the staff genuinely had faith in our QB to get it done play in and play out, though.

There's no way you convince me that Harbaugh was playing it safe just because he's conservative by nature. He'd be more than happy to run up the score when the chance arises. And we regularly called big plays, we just didn't connect on them. That's not always Smith's fault. Davis in particular dropped at least two long balls that were put right in his hands. But far more often Smith didn't pull the trigger or missed his man. With a more effective QB, I bet we'd see a much more aggressive game plan.

 

[ViperVisor]

That point is now. There's plenty of talent on offense. We have one of the best OLs in the NFC, one of the best RB groups in the NFC, one of the best TE duos in the NFL, to go along with the best special teams and best defense. Does Alex also need all star WRs too to finally be able to throw for over 18 TDs in a season? If that's the case, he needed to GTFO yesterday.

Or is the talent on offense holding Alex back?

Can you please cut the O-Line is good crap?

I haven't let that and will not let that doo doo slide.

Post some evidence it is "one of the best OLs in the NFC". A couple articles with a quote from a honest observer or some advanced stats.

Our ass was the one getting stuffed way to often on short yards/goal to go situation.

O-Line had a good stretch against weaker attacks but overall was mediocre at best.

 

[Flyingiguana]

That point is now. There's plenty of talent on offense. We have one of the best OLs in the NFC, one of the best RB groups in the NFC, one of the best TE duos in the NFL, to go along with the best special teams and best defense. Does Alex also need all star WRs too to finally be able to throw for over 18 TDs in a season? If that's the case, he needed to GTFO yesterday.

Or is the talent on offense holding Alex back?

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[Flyingiguana]

all star wr's arent needed. but crabtree shouldn't be starting and he was our #1 option.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Can you please cut the O-Line is good crap?

I haven't let that and will not let that doo doo slide.

Post some evidence it is "one of the best OLs in the NFC". A couple articles with a quote from a honest observer or some advanced stats.

Our ass was the one getting stuffed way to often on short yards/goal to go situation.

O-Line had a good stretch against weaker attacks but overall was mediocre at best.

Our OL looks "mediocre" because we have a QB who can't diagnoses defenses fast enough to make quick decisions, can't make pre-snap judgements on blocking schemes, and isn't efficient at maneuvering within the pocket.

 

[clyde_carbon]

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Which NFC teams have a better OL than we do?

 

[Flyingiguana]

pff has us ranked in the bottom %tile of pass protection lines. something that is painfully obvious.

our line could not hold a pocket or generate any push in the run game. our run game didn't even get going until we started getting a bit more creative such as pulling iupati. gore looked like a 60 year old early in the season because of our lack of push.

it would be a stretch to say average. we need to make sure manning can stay healthy. a good offensive line is gonna be key.

 

[Flyingiguana]

Our OL looks "mediocre" because we have a QB who can't diagnoses defenses fast enough to make quick decisions, can't make pre-snap judgements on blocking schemes, and isn't efficient at maneuvering within the pocket.

is smith suppose to block too?

 

[clyde_carbon]

pff has us ranked in the bottom %tile of pass protection lines. something that is painfully obvious.

our line could not hold a pocket or generate any push in the run game. our run game didn't even get going until we started getting a bit more creative such as pulling iupati. gore looked like a 60 year old early in the season because of our lack of push.

it would be a stretch to say average. we need to make sure manning can stay healthy. a good offensive line is gonna be key.

PFF is not an end all be all. Which NFC teams have better OLs than we do?

Our running game didn't get going because our backfield sees more 8 man boxes than most teams in the league. Do you know why? Because opposing defenses don't except Alex to beat them. Throw in Peyton and Gore will not see 8 man boxes.

 

[ViperVisor]

Our OL looks "mediocre" because we have a QB who can't diagnoses defenses fast enough to make quick decisions, can't make pre-snap judgements on blocking schemes, and isn't efficient at maneuvering within the pocket.

Their are facts that show Smith doesn't take a lot of long sacks.

We don't know what adjustments Smith is or is not making, Manning OL chatter is only BS half the time, also the Center and other guys on the line are not babies, they get paid lots of money to do a job without being spoon-fed.

Smith takes some sacks the most aware and experience QBs wouldn't but Smith also moves and avoids some sacks to even that out some.


Please dig up some evidence to supports your original claim.

 

[RedneckNiner]

It's ridiculous. The same people who are saying we shouldn't start Kap because we should make a push this year with Alex and this defense are saying we shouldn't give Manning a contract because he's "just" a 2-3 solution.

I'm not saying we shouln't start Kaep because of Alex. I firmly believe Alex is a stopgap for 2-3 years. I hope Kaep is better than I think he is. I hope he comes out in preseason and lights it up and turns into a pro bowl starter. But my eyes watching him in college don't give me confidence in that. Unlike some I won't root against a player the Niners draft I root for them to prove me wrong. I hated the Taylor Mays pick, The Crabpatty pick, Vernon Davis, and others. I was wrong about Vernon and happy to be wrong. I was ecstatic about Kendall Hunter an Bowman. Manning and Smith are both stopgaps. But One is a stapgap with super bowl winning potential and one is a stopgap with playoff potential. I'd go for the ring myself. If Alex goes I won't cry even if we don't get Manning. But if we lose Alex and don't get Manning I hope we do get a veteran QB to at least be a backup in case Kaep don't work out.

My only hangup with Manning is I have a serious hatred of the Colts, not for leaving Baltimore. Most posters here are to young to remember how it happened. There was no warning at 1130pm at night they tried to sneak out of town loaed up in Mayflower trucks. Broke my heart when they did that. But the Next season through a family member who played with Montana at Notre Dame I got a Signed Montana gameworn jersey and been a niners fan ever since.

 

[RedneckNiner]

Sidebar Manning is better at reading the defense, adjusting line shifts and has a quick release. He will make our Oline look like he is hiding behind a brick wall.

 

[clyde_carbon]

is smith suppose to block too?

No, but as a starting QB he is expected to direct the OL. He is expected to make quick decisions that keeps the OL in balance and fresher. He is expected to sometimes avoid the pass rush if there's a lapse in blocking. Alex doesn't do any of these things well - and they're a huge reason why our OL doesn't look as good as it can be.

Jonathan Goodwin gave up more sacks in a 49ers uniform in one season than he did in three seasons with the Saints. Did Goodwin just forget how to play when he started putting on a 49ers uniform? Or does playing with Drew Brees have something to do with that?

 

[Flyingiguana]

the only game where we seemed to have a decent gameplan to handle the pass rush was against the steelers.

the problem with goodwin is who's beside him. put a capable lineman in there and the pocket isn't gonna get blown up.

 

[imac_21]

my fucking point is, why bring in manning without making a damn push for the super bowl?

WHY STOP THERE?

So, who says we're stopping at Manning?

Isn't bringing in Manning making a push for a Super Bowl?

 

[imac_21]

No, but as a starting QB he is expected to direct the OL. He is expected to make quick decisions that keeps the OL in balance and fresher. He is expected to sometimes avoid the pass rush if there's a lapse in blocking. Alex doesn't do any of these things well - and they're a huge reason why our OL doesn't look as good as it can be.

Jonathan Goodwin gave up more sacks in a 49ers uniform in one season than he did in three seasons with the Saints. Did Goodwin just forget how to play when he started putting on a 49ers uniform? Or does playing with Drew Brees have something to do with that?

Clyde, you should know by now that Smith always makes the right calls and adjustments. It's just that the other 10 guys on the field (whoever they are on a given play) always let him down.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Their are facts that show Smith doesn't take a lot of long sacks.

We don't know what adjustments Smith is or is not making, Manning OL chatter is only BS half the time, also the Center and other guys on the line are not babies, they get paid lots of money to do a job without being spoon-fed.

Smith takes some sacks the most aware and experience QBs wouldn't but Smith also moves and avoids some sacks to even that out some.


Please dig up some evidence to supports your original claim.

Guess who else? A legitimate QB doesn't need a star studded supporting cast to hold his hand through every offensive play. Alex has a history of having poor pocket presence and a lack of ad-lib ability. We have enough talent on offense to muster a ranking higher than 26th in the league.

I'm not gonna dig up evidence because no ranking system truly shows how an OL plays. Of all the NFC teams I've watched, we have one of the best OL. The only teams that I can legitimately say have better OLs than we do are the Saints, Panthers, and Bucs.

You can disagree with that. But you and Iguana have your heads so far up Alex's ass it doesn't really matter.

 

[ViperVisor]

Guess who else? A legitimate QB doesn't need a star studded supporting cast to hold his hand through every offensive play.

Joe Montana and Steve Young didn't have the best player in NFL history.

NOoooooooooooo, that never happened.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Clyde, you should know by now that Smith always makes the right calls and adjustments. It's just that the other 10 guys on the field (whoever they are on a given play) always let him down.

And coaching. I think you missed it when Iguana claimed that our coaches can't come up with sufficient enough blocking schemes to protect Alex.

Apparently Harbaugh and Roman completely forgot how to utilize blocking schemes when they moved from Palo Alto to Santa Clara.