2025 Rookie Discussion

[TREFF]

Or we could just look at the numbers from the last time Flacco ran this same offense? 5 games of slinging it if memory is accurate

Five games without Nick Chubb and 2 years less age on the arm too

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Five games without Nick Chubb and 2 years less age on the arm too

Got a feeling he's not gonna have Chubb for these games either, Jeudy and Tillman to the moon!!!

 

[TREFF]

Got a feeling he's not gonna have Chubb for these games either, Jeudy and Tillman to the moon!!!

Haha, well no, he won't, but he will have two 'highly touted' rookies.. not Jerome Ford

 

[averagejoe]

Haha, well no, he won't, but he will have two 'highly touted' rookies.. not Jerome Ford

Thats the other side of the coin to me. CLE signs Flacco. Then they draft 2 QB. They draft 2 RB. I question their off-season decisions.

I think i just convinced myself to rank Kaleb over Judkins.

 

[leftypower]

Got a feeling he's not gonna have Chubb for these games either, Jeudy and Tillman to the moon!!!

Last time Flacco was the QB, Njoku final looked like a decent TE. Perhaps that happen again or perhaps not - hard to say.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Last time Flacco was the QB, Njoku final looked like a decent TE. Perhaps that happen again or perhaps not - hard to say.

I'm here for it, got a couple shares

 

[TREFF]

All other things aside, and back on to the core topic.. rookies..

I would put Judkins and/or Sampson above Kaleb regardless of landing situation or committees.

All things being equal, both are better prospects, imho, so since Kaleb didn't fall into a guaranteed 'bell cow' back type situation, I'd put him lower

 

[Shanemansj13]

Just looked at my handy dandy chart of distribution... if Indy's numbers are any indicator of Flacco's influence, the RB distribution (touches) was exactly at the league average 45%. And that's with Taylor as the RB1. Since, CLE may split carries as it sorts out the QB situation, seems PIT may still be a better option of Judkins vs Kaleb.
PIT on the handy dandy chart was 52%, second highest in the league (behind DET 54%).

Only issue I have with PIT is before they drafted Johnson, Warren was going to be the guy and he proved it. In limited touches, 4.8 ypc. Only time will tell...maybe this is one benefit in having a rookie draft LATER. Totally fine with when we draft now, just sayin...going through camp and even some of preseason can tell quite a bit more especially this year.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Interesting seeing this discussion pushing Judkins down towards Johnson and Harvey range due to landing spot, where i think Judkins is clearly better than both

 

[TREFF]

Interesting seeing this discussion pushing Judkins down towards Johnson and Harvey range due to landing spot, where i think Judkins is clearly better than both

If they had drafted Harvey or Johnson as that second RB, and not Sampson.. I'd be right there with you Judkins was/is/will be better than Johnson or Harvey. I had Sampson as my #3 RB though, so I totally buy a 50/50 committee being a probability.

Guessing game at this point, but that's what I'm guessing

 

[averagejoe]

For what its worth, PFF has Samson and Johnson ranked above Judkins (prior to the NFL draft).

2025 NFL Draft Rankings: Running backs

PFF's top running back prospects in the 2025 NFL Draft, along with some initial scouting notes courtesy of lead draft analyst Trevor Sikkema.

www.pff.com

 

[averagejoe]

The Judkins/Sampson draft gives me flashbacks to the 2003 draft when Arizona drafted Bryant Johnson in the 1st then Anquan Boldin in the 2nd.

 

[wilwhite]

Kaleb Johnson has a more proven committee member (J. Warren) than Judkins does. It's much more of a probability that Warren takes important touches away than it is that Sampson does

And sadly, an offense led by Joe Flacco, is more appealing than one currently led by Mason Rudolph.

On the other hand it's also more of a probability that Sampson seriously competes for the long-term feature role. He and Judkins are really close IMO.

Warren (love the guy) is an overperforming UDFA who looks to me about like a Myles Gaskin.

 

[wilwhite]

For what its worth, PFF has Samson and Johnson ranked above Judkins (prior to the NFL draft).

2025 NFL Draft Rankings: Running backs

PFF's top running back prospects in the 2025 NFL Draft, along with some initial scouting notes courtesy of lead draft analyst Trevor Sikkema.

www.pff.com

Yeah, zackly.

 

[leftypower]

Loving all the discussions on Judkins, Sampson, Johnson and Harvey - - I've got them all in one dynasty via complete rebuild. ... as well as a couple of long shot in Marks and Gordon. You can do that when you sell off all your assets for 10 picks (4-1sts, 3-early 2nds, etc). Never could get that #1 guy though - no matter what I tried.