2025 Patriots Draft

[BigKen]

I don't think Milroe makes it that far. He is invited to the draft to sit in the Green Room. The last thing the NFL wants is a guy sitting in that room for 3 days waiting for his name to be called. My guess is Milroe got confirmation from a team and the NFL did as well that someone is interested in him possibly even for round 1. I wouldn't take him that high, but again I can't see the NFL inviting someone with a day 3 grade.

I agree, but we have had a few guys sitting in the green room on Day 2 over the past fifteen or so years.

Who knows where guys are going to be selected? One bizarre pick starts a trend.

 

[cdumler7]

I agree, but we have had a few guys sitting in the green room on Day 2 over the past fifteen or so years.

Who knows where guys are going to be selected? One bizarre pick starts a trend.

I'm trying to think who had the biggest fall that was actually in the Green Room. I can't think of anyone making it past round 2. Will Levis made it to pick 33 a couple of drafts ago. Keion White waited until pick 46 by the Patriots.

All this to say my guess is Milroe at worst will be a 2nd round pick.

 

[Southieinnc]

Another mock:

Interesting in this mock is there are 3 OT's picked in 1st 7 picks!

Two-round mock draft update with two weeks to go until the 2025 NFL Draft

Two-round mock draft update with two weeks to go until the 2025 NFL Draft, including a couple of trades

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[YankeeRebel]

Another mock:

Interesting in this mock is there are 3 OT's picked in 1st 7 picks!

Two-round mock draft update with two weeks to go until the 2025 NFL Draft

Two-round mock draft update with two weeks to go until the 2025 NFL Draft, including a couple of trades

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And we took two LTs ? Did I read that correctly?

 

[Southieinnc]

I'm trying to think who had the biggest fall that was actually in the Green Room. I can't think of anyone making it past round 2. Will Levis made it to pick 33 a couple of drafts ago. Keion White waited until pick 46 by the Patriots.

All this to say my guess is Milroe at worst will be a 2nd round pick.

I see him in the 3rd round at the earliest. I can't see him starting until year 3?????

 

[cdumler7]

I see him in the 3rd round at the earliest. I can't see him starting until year 3?????

If I were a drafting team I'm with you. This is a weird year though with so few locks to be 1st round picks. I think Daniel Jeremiah said it the other day that if you talk to all the agents/teams and who they have going in the 1st round there are 277 different players. It really is a weird year outside the top-10.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Another mock:

Interesting in this mock is there are 3 OT's picked in 1st 7 picks!

Two-round mock draft update with two weeks to go until the 2025 NFL Draft

Two-round mock draft update with two weeks to go until the 2025 NFL Draft, including a couple of trades

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NE double dips at OT. Interesting.

 

[YankeeRebel]

NE double dips at OT. Interesting.

Yeah we have double dipped in the past but no way I can see that.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Yeah we have double dipped in the past but no way I can see that.

Can certainly see them taking two OTs but not with back to back picks.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Can certainly see them taking two OTs but not with back to back picks.

Agreed. Maybe 1 in the first then the 5th, MAYBE

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Agreed. Maybe 1 in the first then the 5th, MAYBE

Depending on who's still available in the 4th I'd be ok with them using a pick there. This oline needs depth.

 

[BigKen]

If I were a drafting team I'm with you. This is a weird year though with so few locks to be 1st round picks. I think Daniel Jeremiah said it the other day that if you talk to all the agents/teams and who they have going in the 1st round there are 277 different players. It really is a weird year outside the top-10.

I was watching a 2025 Pre-Draft show and wasn't paying much attention until one guy got everyone upset.
I may be paraphrasing or slightly off what was exactly said.

"This draft may go down as the worst quality draft in history."

"Travis Hunter is not Generational. He's exceptional against the remaining garbage. Same for Abdul Carter."

"Cam Ward would be a third or fourth round pick ten years ago."

"I have been studying and predicting NFL drafts since 1990 and this draft compares favorably to none before. When every expert admits that there are two locks and then a second tier of maybe fifteen players, that should put teams on alert. Picks 20 through 257 are pure junk with maybe six or seven guys who'll put the first five picks in the trash can."

ODD thing? Nobody could put up a strong argument against him.

Then they started talking about the Eagles and Chiefs and possible challengers to them for the Super Bowl and I went to bed.

I had to agree with the guy. Comparing what he considers to be low grade players against lower grade players does not make them great. Basically he was saying that every team could a attach a number to each player, have a machine with all of the numbers and let them pop out like the Lottery. Same odds of getting a super star.

 

[YankeeRebel]

I was watching a 2025 Pre-Draft show and wasn't paying much attention until one guy got everyone upset.
I may be paraphrasing or slightly off what was exactly said.

"This draft may go down as the worst quality draft in history."

"Travis Hunter is not Generational. He's exceptional against the remaining garbage. Same for Abdul Carter."

"Cam Ward would be a third or fourth round pick ten years ago."

"I have been studying and predicting NFL drafts since 1990 and this draft compares favorably to none before. When every expert admits that there are two locks and then a second tier of maybe fifteen players, that should put teams on alert. Picks 20 through 257 are pure junk with maybe six or seven guys who'll put the first five picks in the trash can."

ODD thing? Nobody could put up a strong argument against him.

Then they started talking about the Eagles and Chiefs and possible challengers to them for the Super Bowl and I went to bed.

I had to agree with the guy. Comparing what he considers to be low grade players against lower grade players does not make them great. Basically he was saying that every team could a attach a number to each player, have a machine with all of the numbers and let them pop out like the Lottery. Same odds of getting a super star.

Yeah I don't agree with that assessment at all. It has that Heisman voting vibe to it where only WRs or QBs are real football players. While there are no flashy QBs or even flashy WRs there are quality WRs just the QB selections are sub par. This draft in deep in WRs, RBs at least 3 or 4 TEs that could make a splash. But it's deep in defensive players so I feel the clown that made that statement is only really looking at skill positions.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

I was watching a 2025 Pre-Draft show and wasn't paying much attention until one guy got everyone upset.
I may be paraphrasing or slightly off what was exactly said.

"This draft may go down as the worst quality draft in history."

Could be true.

"Travis Hunter is not Generational. He's exceptional against the remaining garbage. Same for Abdul Carter."

I heard similar opinions before the combine. But it's draft hype season so the main stream sports media is doing it's job.

"Cam Ward would be a third or fourth round pick ten years ago."

Maybe not that far back...

"I have been studying and predicting NFL drafts since 1990 and this draft compares favorably to none before. When every expert admits that there are two locks and then a second tier of maybe fifteen players, that should put teams on alert. Picks 20 through 257 are pure junk with maybe six or seven guys who'll put the first five picks in the trash can."

Now that's a stretch.

ODD thing? Nobody could put up a strong argument against him.

Then they started talking about the Eagles and Chiefs and possible challengers to them for the Super Bowl and I went to bed.

I had to agree with the guy. Comparing what he considers to be low grade players against lower grade players does not make them great. Basically he was saying that every team could a attach a number to each player, have a machine with all of the numbers and let them pop out like the Lottery. Same odds of getting a super star.

I think it's a little blown out of proportion, but I heard similar sentiments a few months ago.

 

[cdumler7]

I was watching a 2025 Pre-Draft show and wasn't paying much attention until one guy got everyone upset.
I may be paraphrasing or slightly off what was exactly said.

"This draft may go down as the worst quality draft in history."

"Travis Hunter is not Generational. He's exceptional against the remaining garbage. Same for Abdul Carter."

"Cam Ward would be a third or fourth round pick ten years ago."

"I have been studying and predicting NFL drafts since 1990 and this draft compares favorably to none before. When every expert admits that there are two locks and then a second tier of maybe fifteen players, that should put teams on alert. Picks 20 through 257 are pure junk with maybe six or seven guys who'll put the first five picks in the trash can."

ODD thing? Nobody could put up a strong argument against him.

Then they started talking about the Eagles and Chiefs and possible challengers to them for the Super Bowl and I went to bed.

I had to agree with the guy. Comparing what he considers to be low grade players against lower grade players does not make them great. Basically he was saying that every team could a attach a number to each player, have a machine with all of the numbers and let them pop out like the Lottery. Same odds of getting a super star.

I would say the 2013 draft will go down as the most talentless draft in history. Going to be tough to be worse than that one. This draft is definitely missing the top tier talent that we have seen in past years especially at the premium positions. I would say though the heart of this draft is picks let's say 20-90. There are going to be a lot of good starters but maybe not a ton of stars. So this is a good draft if you have your stars in place and now just need to fill out the rest of your roster with some good players around those stars.

And I would add that there are some positions that are stronger this year than most and others that are weaker than most years. QB is pretty darn weak. OT is very weak. CB I would say is weak. I would even add IOL is not looking good. On the flip side this is the deepest and strongest RB class I think we have ever seen. DL wise there are probably something like 20-25 guys with good draft grades that should be contributors. TE is never a deep position in the draft, but this year there are a few more names than usual. Edge again doesn't have the top end guys outside of Carter but it is a deep group where even clear to the 3rd round I think you can find some decent names to add to a roster.

And WR is lacking the top end guys that you usually see like last year with Nabers, Harrison Jr, Thomas Jr, and Odunze but the depth of the position is decent. You can find a lot of good #2 and Slot type WR's in this draft and be happy about their production.

 

[Southieinnc]

I would say the 2013 draft will go down as the most talentless draft in history. Going to be tough to be worse than that one. This draft is definitely missing the top tier talent that we have seen in past years especially at the premium positions. I would say though the heart of this draft is picks let's say 20-90. There are going to be a lot of good starters but maybe not a ton of stars. So this is a good draft if you have your stars in place and now just need to fill out the rest of your roster with some good players around those stars.

And I would add that there are some positions that are stronger this year than most and others that are weaker than most years. QB is pretty darn weak. OT is very weak. CB I would say is weak. I would even add IOL is not looking good. On the flip side this is the deepest and strongest RB class I think we have ever seen. DL wise there are probably something like 20-25 guys with good draft grades that should be contributors. TE is never a deep position in the draft, but this year there are a few more names than usual. Edge again doesn't have the top end guys outside of Carter but it is a deep group where even clear to the 3rd round I think you can find some decent names to add to a roster.

And WR is lacking the top end guys that you usually see like last year with Nabers, Harrison Jr, Thomas Jr, and Odunze but the depth of the position is decent. You can find a lot of good #2 and Slot type WR's in this draft and be happy about their production.

I think the OT's are pretty strong in day 2. Maybe even day 3 - but who do you pick? Dartboard?
IOL is stronger than it looks at 1st glance. Most of the top OT's are going to be excellent guards!

 

[cdumler7]

I think the OT's are pretty strong in day 2. Maybe even day 3 - but who do you pick? Dartboard?
IOL is stronger than it looks at 1st glance. Most of the top OT's are going to be excellent guards!

I'm not a huge fan of this OT class. I don't mind Campbell but if he were in last year's class he would be behind Joe Alt, JC Latham, Olu Fashanu, Taliese Fuaga, and would be in talks of whether to bank on the upside of Amarius Mims or go with the more proven player in Campbell. So we are talking a guy that probably would have gone in the teens last year going possibly top-5.

Membou is good but a lot of limitations with the idea of right now looking only like a RT. Simmons has the character concerns and injury. Banks probably moving more towards Guard. Same with Zabel. Conerly lacks the strength you really like and can get pushed back by strong edge players. Ersery is ok but probably best suited for a team planning on running a ton of zone. His size suggests a guy that should be in a power/gap system but he sure doesn't show it.

You are right there are a few names to still like. I like Charles Grant of William and Mary. Raw prospect but has the athletic profile you are looking for in a starting tackle.

Esa Pole is another raw prospect for the later rounds. Only started playing football a few years ago and this past season for Washington State didn't give up a single sack and only 9 pressures on almost 500 pass blocking snaps.

Mostly though I'm saying if you are looking for a day 1 starter at LT then you probably have to take one round 1. Maybe Conerly falls to the 2nd but right now with so many teams desperate for tackle I think Campbell, Membou, Simmons, and Conerly are all gone.

 

[Southieinnc]

I'm not a huge fan of this OT class. I don't mind Campbell but if he were in last year's class he would be behind Joe Alt, JC Latham, Olu Fashanu, Taliese Fuaga, and would be in talks of whether to bank on the upside of Amarius Mims or go with the more proven player in Campbell. So we are talking a guy that probably would have gone in the teens last year going possibly top-5.

Membou is good but a lot of limitations with the idea of right now looking only like a RT. Simmons has the character concerns and injury. Banks probably moving more towards Guard. Same with Zabel. Conerly lacks the strength you really like and can get pushed back by strong edge players. Ersery is ok but probably best suited for a team planning on running a ton of zone. His size suggests a guy that should be in a power/gap system but he sure doesn't show it.

You are right there are a few names to still like. I like Charles Grant of William and Mary. Raw prospect but has the athletic profile you are looking for in a starting tackle.

Esa Pole is another raw prospect for the later rounds. Only started playing football a few years ago and this past season for Washington State didn't give up a single sack and only 9 pressures on almost 500 pass blocking snaps.

Mostly though I'm saying if you are looking for a day 1 starter at LT then you probably have to take one round 1. Maybe Conerly falls to the 2nd but right now with so many teams desperate for tackle I think Campbell, Membou, Simmons, and Conerly are all gone.

I don't think we are far apart on this.
Patriots need a LT and in my opinion, must draft 1 in 1st round.
We don't need an all-pro, though it would be nice to land one.
Josh Simmons character concerns? There was one report and it has been quoted over and over. It was a hit piece.
Patriots staff has connections with Josh and we have inside info. If we don't take him, concerns are correct. If we do, concerns are bull!
You are hitting on all cylinders on the rest of this bunch but where is Ozzy Trapillo? He can play LT on day 1 IMHO

Three potential late-round gems at OT for Patriots in 2025 draft

Can the Patriots find value in the later rounds at offensive tackle? Emory Hunt of Football Gameplan shares three prospects worth monitoring.

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[cdumler7]

I don't think we are far apart on this.
Patriots need a LT and in my opinion, must draft 1 in 1st round.
We don't need an all-pro, though it would be nice to land one.
Josh Simmons character concerns? There was one report and it has been quoted over and over. It was a hit piece.
Patriots staff has connections with Josh and we have inside info. If we don't take him, concerns are correct. If we do, concerns are bull!
You are hitting on all cylinders on the rest of this bunch but where is Ozzy Trapillo? He can play LT on day 1 IMHO

Three potential late-round gems at OT for Patriots in 2025 draft

Can the Patriots find value in the later rounds at offensive tackle? Emory Hunt of Football Gameplan shares three prospects worth monitoring.

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Sorry didn't list all my favorites, but threw out a few names I thought could be there on day 3 that are a nice development type but maybe not a great choice for the Pats considering they need the help now.

I do like Trapillo I just don't think he is making it to day 3. I think he is a day 2 pick for someone and they are happy about it.

As for Simmons I guess my main thing is that the character concerns have been repeated by people I respect in the industry and I've talked to some people connected to a few teams around the league and they have said the same thing that on their board they do have that red flag connected to him. So I trust that, but you could be right maybe a team is trying to put out info in the hopes that Simmons would fall to them. Happens every year.

 

[BigKen]

Character concerns. A lot of young men have character concerns. Others appear to be the one guy you'd trust with your daughter for three days alone in blizzard. Then she tells you the last thing you ever want to hear. "Dad. You're going to be a grandfather."

What exactly are those character concerns? Ryan Day (HC OSU) was the QB at my grandson's HS in Manchester, NH. He stopped by at a practice and talked to the team. He seemed pretty straight forward. My guess is that, if a coach called him and asked what Simmon's problems were, Day would be honest and give details as long as it was kept confidential.

Depending on the situation, people can change. I saw it a hundred times in my life. I know my character changed between December 1968 and April 1972. Good, Bad, doesn't matter. I wasn't the same person. Situations and circumstances make men out of boys and mice out of men.

I'd have a talk with Simmons before I drafted him.