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I like the Ole Miss guys. They are run stopping beasts. Nolan, Iv, pegues. I am all about SEC defensive players.
They are good too. I saw a mock that had Nolan going to the Cowboys at 12 the other day. That's higher than I have seen him. If we lose Osa he would be a nice 3T replacement, if Osa is back i would prefer the big Grant kid at NT if we went DT at 12(provided Mason Graham is gone)
 

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Haha, well, you should be in the clear because the TE i want is projected 7th now lol.
I will stand by Warren would be a massive add for us. We need a #2 WR....but Mahomes and Brady have been to what, 15 Super Bowls with a #1 target TE? If we line up in a two TE, Two WR set, Warren and Ferguson what is the D going to do? If they are in nickel, either TE will block the piss out of a slot corner or free safety and we run it. If they line up in base, they will both have a mismatch against a Linebacker or Strong Saftey in the pass game. They will take a safety over the top, freeing up Lamb or and our other WR. We have a QB who can call those adjustments at the line. I believe he would help our offense more than any player we could draft in round 1
I stopped reading at Mahomes and Brady
 

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They are good too. I saw a mock that had Nolan going to the Cowboys at 12 the other day. That's higher than I have seen him. If we lose Osa he would be a nice 3T replacement, if Osa is back i would prefer the big Grant kid at NT if we went DT at 12(provided Mason Graham is gone)
Grant is a good one. I don't how they can mess this first round pick up.
 

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Grant is a good one. I don't how they can mess this first round pick up.
I really like Grant. If they don't bring back Osa they will be desperate for a 3 tech so they will probably be more interested in Nolan or Harmon. I think we would be way better off with Osa back and paired with a monster like Grant or Williams or Walker. The wildcard guy is Collins from Texas. I must be missing something, most people have him in the 2nd or 3rd, I think he is a 1st round talent
 

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I think Ferguson is the right in the middle of the pack starter wise. He would be one of the best second TE's. Schoony is currently one of the worst second TE's. He would be a solid #3. My thing is what having a TE that forces S/LB double teams would do for the run game and the double team coverage Lamb sees. It all comes down to whether you think the kid will be great or not
Good things could happen with a guy like Warren. But I don't see them adding a TE with investment they already got on Ferguson and Schoon.

I do think a guy like Warren would make the offense way less predictable. Especially if they went two TE and ran the ball lots. Warren can hurt a defense in a lot of ways.
 

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Good things could happen with a guy like Warren. But I don't see them adding a TE with investment they already got on Ferguson and Schoon.

I do think a guy like Warren would make the offense way less predictable. Especially if they went two TE and ran the ball lots. Warren can hurt a defense in a lot of ways.
I think there is a zero percent chance we take him. And we shouldn't take him if we have 5 starting spots to fill from FA and the draft is our only source of talent. But we are going backwards if that's the case. We aren't adding 5 starters. The last two drafts combined we have netted one above average starter in Overshown, three guys that look like solid starters going forward in Beebe, Liufau and Kneeland, and 3 guys that are on the fence between solid and bust in Guyton, Schoony and Mazi. So at best we will net 2 solid starters and a couple of rotation guys. Hoping for more than that is like playing the lottery
 

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Grant is a good one. I don't how they can mess this first round pick up.
I think Grant goes in the top 15. Defensive tackles usually go off the board early.. if they want a quality DT they need to do it in round 1 ,or 2

I also think Nolen goes off the board early top 15. Either would help the run defense. Both can create a lot of pressure . Grant could take Mazis spot if they bring back Osa.
 

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You can't actually believe that
Man Gronk and Kelce were their #1 receiving option in 7 of their 10 Super Bowl wins. There is zero debating that. In this year's loss by the Chiefs, Kelce is getting old and about to retire and Mahomes looked like shit. I can absolutely believe it
 

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I think Grant goes in the top 15. Defensive tackles usually go off the board early.. if they want a quality DT they need to do it in round 1 ,or 2

I also think Nolen goes off the board early top 15. Either would help the run defense. Both can create a lot of pressure . Grant could take Mazis spot if they bring back Osa.
I've definitely warmed to Grant but I don't think he is quite as good as others do. At this point I'm not sure how I'd feel if we drafted him but I'm not totally against him as I was before. I love the idea of him as that is exactly what I want, but I'm just not sure he is the guy. Did he make Graham, did Graham make him, a little of both?
 

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Did he make Graham, did Graham make him, a little of both?
Could be a little of both.

I was very surprised when I recently read that NFL.com has Nolen rated higher than Graham.

This is a weaker draft. Supposedly only 10 players have a 1st round grade? If this is true they may have a problem finding a team to trade down with .
 

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Could be a little of both.

I was very surprised when I recently read that NFL.com has Nolen rated higher than Graham.

This is a weaker draft. Supposedly only 10 players have a 1st round grade? If this is true they may have a problem finding a team to trade down with .
Graham is going to be a star. With him and Grant, it comes down to what you are looking for, an explosive 3T with pass rush or a run game wrecking 1T. That depends on whether Osa is back or not
 

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I think one thing the former college coaches we have added to the staff can really help with for a couple of years is the draft. One reason Jimmy was always good in the draft is he had just come from the college game and knew the players on a level that even the scouts didn't
 

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Could be a little of both.

I was very surprised when I recently read that NFL.com has Nolen rated higher than Graham.

This is a weaker draft. Supposedly only 10 players have a 1st round grade? If this is true they may have a problem finding a team to trade down with .
I am going to wait till after the combine. Very few drafts have alot of players with first round grades. I read usually it is only 12-18. After combine, the rankings will change.
 

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I am going to wait till after the combine. Very few drafts have alot of players with first round grades. I read usually it is only 12-18. After combine, the rankings will change.
But, whose rankings? The Mel Kipers and other talking heads who know nothing about what teams really think? We aren't going to see the actual team rankings and that is all that matters. It only takes one team to think a guy has a legit "first round grade" to make it so. I always hated when everyone decided who should be taken and how good they will be and then grading the draft based on the mocks. I know it can be all we have for some players but I prefer just reading the strengths and weaknesses or even ranking that aren't mocks or looking at the visits or how much time they spent with guys at the combine for clues about both players and positions. It's still subjective of course but a little more useful. :2cents:

Of course the caveat to all of this is that as a Cowboy's fan, the Cowboys actually are incompetent and if you pay attention they pretty much tell you who they like or at least what position because while they say they go BPA, they absolutely draft for position because they don't fill holes in free agency.
 

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But, whose rankings? The Mel Kipers and other talking heads who know nothing about what teams really think? We aren't going to see the actual team rankings and that is all that matters. It only takes one team to think a guy has a legit "first round grade" to make it so. I always hated when everyone decided who should be taken and how good they will be and then grading the draft based on the mocks. I know it can be all we have for some players but I prefer just reading the strengths and weaknesses or even ranking that aren't mocks or looking at the visits or how much time they spent with guys at the combine for clues about both players and positions. It's still subjective of course but a little more useful. :2cents:

Of course the caveat to all of this is that as a Cowboy's fan, the Cowboys actually are incompetent and if you pay attention they pretty much tell you who they like or at least what position because while they say they go BPA, they absolutely draft for position because they don't fill holes in free agency.
I haven't paid attention to that windbag Kiper in decades lol. He's a flake.
There are some guys out there that are pretty good though, they put in the work and are plugged into the specific teams. I've seen a couple of mocks lately that had Walter Nolen going to Dallas at 12 despite having Nolen as a late 1st-early 2nd on their big board. They put Nolen to Dallas because they had talked to contacts within the Cowboys who said they were very high on the player. Factor in the cap going up $25M is really bad for Dallas in a way.....we will still be "draft and develop" while other teams will be sitting there with $100M in cap space...meaning a guy like Osa is probably going to get an idiotic offer of $23M from some team and Dallas will have a gaping hole at 3T. I think guys like that are the only ones worth listening too
 

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I haven't paid attention to that windbag Kiper in decades lol. He's a flake.
There are some guys out there that are pretty good though, they put in the work and are plugged into the specific teams. I've seen a couple of mocks lately that had Walter Nolen going to Dallas at 12 despite having Nolen as a late 1st-early 2nd on their big board. They put Nolen to Dallas because they had talked to contacts within the Cowboys who said they were very high on the player. Factor in the cap going up $25M is really bad for Dallas in a way.....we will still be "draft and develop" while other teams will be sitting there with $100M in cap space...meaning a guy like Osa is probably going to get an idiotic offer of $23M from some team and Dallas will have a gaping hole at 3T. I think guys like that are the only ones worth listening too
I know it's sounds stupid to say and I am setting myself up to have this bumped in a couple months, but I think Dallas will be a player in free agency. Jerry is reactionary and the huge amount of negativity towards how he handled the team tell me he signs a couple of free agents and then lies and tells everyone that was the plan all along or that the fits were better this year than last year or something. Jerry cares about nothing more than how he is perceived. I wish free agency was after the draft like it was years ago. I think that would benefit a team like us that assumes we will get certain players or positions in the draft. I still think a big part of last year's cluster fvk of an offseason at RB was because we just assumed we would be drafting Brooks from Texas.

Of course offsetting my thought of Jerry looking to be a player in free agency is his stubbornness and inability to admit he screwed up last year and his trying to re-sign McCarthy after already re-signing Dak reeks of just bringing the whole gang back and doing it all over again, so clearly I could be wrong. Maybe he could use the cap increase as a reason and say we couldn't afford it last year but can this year even though everyone knows we could have signed at least two All Pros last year by moving money around
 

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I know it's sounds stupid to say and I am setting myself up to have this bumped in a couple months, but I think Dallas will be a player in free agency. Jerry is reactionary and the huge amount of negativity towards how he handled the team tell me he signs a couple of free agents and then lies and tells everyone that was the plan all along or that the fits were better this year than last year or something. Jerry cares about nothing more than how he is perceived. I wish free agency was after the draft like it was years ago. I think that would benefit a team like us that assumes we will get certain players or positions in the draft. I still think a big part of last year's cluster fvk of an offseason at RB was because we just assumed we would be drafting Brooks from Texas.

Of course offsetting my thought of Jerry looking to be a player in free agency is his stubbornness and inability to admit he screwed up last year and his trying to re-sign McCarthy after already re-signing Dak reeks of just bringing the whole gang back and doing it all over again, so clearly I could be wrong. Maybe he could use the cap increase as a reason and say we couldn't afford it last year but can this year even though everyone knows we could have signed at least two All Pros last year by moving money around
Man I hope you're right Brother. I'm just not getting my hopes up after last years joke of an offseason. I saw how embarrassed Jerry was after we got blown out by the Packers. I didn't expect them to set the market on day 1 of FA, but I never believed they would let so many starter/rotation guys walk and not at least add competent replacements. We were 3-5 before Dak's injury, we were already in trouble. We can't lose another 8-9 guys and depend on the draft alone to fill out the depth chart If we do, Schotty can't have any expectations past being sub .500
 
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