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I get it. Good news for you, we will definitely go a different direction. All I'll say is, if we were on the clock last year and about to take Guyton, and if for whatever reason, Brock Bowers were still available, and you knew what they would become, are you still taking Guyton? Same question for the previous year with Mazi? Just interested
Different question...if the Raiders called today and offered Bowers for Guyton and Mazi, what would you say?
well if you are asking if I would take an all pro Te over a subpar 1st rounder. Of course. problem is no one knows this until later. But I already well documented how often (almost always) teams are disappointed on cant miss (generational) 1st rd TEs. We normally nail it on lineman.
As far as your 2nd question. Now we are talking players not 1st rd draft picks. There is no more unknowns. BTW I was never a fan of the Mazi pick.

a man in a blue shirt is sitting in the back seat of a car making a face .

you're trying to suck me back into this convo LOL
 

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well if you are asking if I would take an all pro Te over a subpar 1st rounder. Of course. problem is no one knows this until later. But I already well documented how often (almost always) teams are disappointed on cant miss (generational) 1st rd TEs. We normally nail it on lineman.
As far as your 2nd question. Now we are talking players not 1st rd draft picks. There is no more unknowns. BTW I was never a fan of the Mazi pick.

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I'm not trying to talk you into the player for this team this year, I'm just pointing out why I would take the player. To me, the draft should always be about the best player available regardless of position. Where the Cowboys screw that up lately, is they used to use FA to address their needs and then draft to increase talent and they were great at it. The last couple of years, they haven't utilized FA and went into the draft with no choice but to draft certain position to fill huge needs, which is why we busted(so far) the Mazi and Guyton picks. We are tracking for the same bullcrap this year which really hurts us IMO
 

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Agreed. I really think it's the most important part of a passing game the way things are played now. If you can line up with two TE's, it forces teams out of the nickel which is the base for most teams now. Great TE's are such mismatches, it makes everyone around them better. KC lost the best deep threat in the game in T. Hill, but kept winning. Kelce is the guy that kills teams. For SF, after CMC, its Kittle who kills you. IMO, when we play Philly, if we are healthy at corner we match up well with them outside but Dallas Goedert just beats the shit out of us. Mark Andrews for the Ravens. Sam LaPorta now for Detroit. I like Ferguson, solid player, but IMO he us no where near those guys. Now if he were your 2nd TE in a 2 TE set...enjoy defending that

I highly doubt they draft a TE in round one after drafting Ferg and then Schoon. Ferg is in the second or third tier of tight ends IMO. If they had to choose between a receiver and a TE then Warren is a no brainer. He is the size of Witten,but is faster than Witt was in his prime. Warren is more similar to Kelce,Kittle,Gronk type. A matchup problem. Warren could climb the board if he has a great combine.
 

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I highly doubt they draft a TE in round one after drafting Ferg and then Schoon. Ferg is in the second or third tier of tight ends IMO. If they had to choose between a receiver and a TE then Warren is a no brainer. He is the size of Witten,but is faster than Witt was in his prime. Warren is more similar to Kelce,Kittle,Gronk type. A matchup problem. Warren could climb the board if he has a great combine.
I think if Dallas took Egbuka or Burden Jr in the 1st as a #2 WR, most folks(including me) would be good with it because we need a #2. My only point with Warren, is I think he would be an even bigger help to Dak as a 2nd option and would make Lamb even better. If you lined up Lamb and Warren on the same side. You can't double them both. And you aren't covering this kid with a LB or S. No shot
 

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Overshown is out for most or all of next season ans Micah plays a lot of DE. Campbell would work
2 knees in 3 years overshown could just be done for anything long term I would count on him as extra dessert and nothing more. Nothing against him but the injury bug hits lots of talented players and cuts what could/ should/ might have been hall of fame or even solid careers into dust

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2 knees in 3 years overshown could just be done for anything long term I would count on him as extra dessert and nothing more. Nothing against him but the injury bug hits lots of talented players and cuts what could/ should/ might have been hall of fame or even solid careers into dust

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Yeah it's unfortunate because he is a great kid and unbelievable player. We have had some bad luck losing great players, Fredrick set the team back a decade on the OL
 

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2 knees in 3 years overshown could just be done for anything long term I would count on him as extra dessert and nothing more. Nothing against him but the injury bug hits lots of talented players and cuts what could/ should/ might have been hall of fame or even solid careers into dust

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I sadly have to agree. Hopefully he will end up shocking us and have a great career.

Even more problematic is the fact we got a QB on the wrong side of 30. Dak gotten hurt a lot lately that hamstring could be a problem going forward . They made big mistake by not letting Dak earn that extension. Getting put on IR is not earning that extension.
 

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I sadly have to agree. Hopefully he will end up shocking us and have a great career.

Even more problematic is the fact we got a QB on the wrong side of 30. Dak gotten hurt a lot lately that hamstring could be a problem going forward . They made big mistake by not letting Dak earn that extension. Getting put on IR is not earning that extension.
I would SERIOUSLY consider drafting a kid like Ewers or Dart in the 3rd round. I know taking a day two QB would go over like a fart in church(or like a TE in the first lol), but Rush and Lance are both FA's and neither seems to be long term answers at QB, so with a 32 year old QB who has had his season end twice in the last few years, it better be worth developing someone who could take over im a couple of years if necessary
 

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Looks good for Jeanty.
He probably will be BPA if he is still there at 12. Would be nice if they drafted him and he had an affect like Zeke did in 2016. This kid knows how to run the ball. Great instincts. Makes people miss and can break tackles when necessary. Projected to be a stud at the next level. But will these morons know how to use him?
 

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I would SERIOUSLY consider drafting a kid like Ewers or Dart in the 3rd round. I know taking a day two QB would go over like a fart in church(or like a TE in the first lol), but Rush and Lance are both FA's and neither seems to be long term answers at QB, so with a 32 year old QB who has had his season end twice in the last few years, it better be worth developing someone who could take over im a couple of years if necessary
A lot of the success in 2025 depends on what they do in round one through 3. If they give Dak a player like Jeanty or Warren then I could see Dak have a huge year if he can stay on the field. It would make the most sense to draft Jeanty,but I would be very happy with either. I see both of these guys kicking serious ass
 

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A lot of the success in 2025 depends on what they do in round one through 3. If they give Dak a player like Jeanty or Warren then I could see Dak have a huge year if he can stay on the field. It would make the most sense to draft Jeanty,but I would be very happy with either. I see both of these guys kicking serious ass
I would draft Jeanty if he is there, but not losing sleep as long as they spend one on day 2. If they wait till round 5 that's a lottery ticket. They need a young runner AND to bring Dowdle back. I bet they don't do both though
 

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I would draft Jeanty if he is there, but not losing sleep as long as they spend one on day 2. If they wait till round 5 that's a lottery ticket. They need a young runner AND to bring Dowdle back. I bet they don't do both though
They need a RB in the first three rounds. It would. Be a huge mistake if they wait until round 5. They do that 2025 won't be good
 

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They need a RB in the first three rounds. It would. Be a huge mistake if they wait until round 5. They do that 2025 won't be good
I really worry about it. I would have her my truck they would have gone into last season with more than Dowdle, who was unproven, and Zeke who was washed, but they did. It's insane that a team that once drafted Zeke 4th overall has suddenly decided to devalue the position when it is becoming as important now as it used to be. Same with QB. It's amazing to me that they haven't drafted a day one or two QB in over 20 years
 

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If we get a workhorse RB (3 down back) & a bad ass DT. I dont care what happens with the rest of the draft LOL
 

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I would SERIOUSLY consider drafting a kid like Ewers or Dart in the 3rd round. I know taking a day two QB would go over like a fart in church(or like a TE in the first lol), but Rush and Lance are both FA's and neither seems to be long term answers at QB, so with a 32 year old QB who has had his season end twice in the last few years, it better be worth developing someone who could take over im a couple of years if necessary
I would not be a bit irritated and not pizzed if they took a QB in round 3. I was not on the resign Dak bandwagon. Nothing against Dak just being brutally honest age and injury issues and the cost but Jerry in his infinite wisdom ( :hail: :thumbsdown: ) of football resigned Him and we are stuck. Lots of needs all over the team and backup QB or #1QB is fast approaching if not already here a need from an aging and now injury prone Dak. Honestly you could go BPA in the first 3 rounds and fill holes on this team. Simply because they are piss poor at FA acquisition in Dallas the last 10 years plus to fill holes IMHO

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I would not be a bit irritated and not pizzed if they took a QB in round 3. I was not on the resign Dak bandwagon. Nothing against Dak just being brutally honest age and injury issues and the cost but Jerry in his infinite wisdom ( :hail: :thumbsdown: ) of football resigned Him and we are stuck. Lots of needs all over the team and backup QB or #1QB is fast approaching if not already here a need from an aging and now injury prone Dak. Honestly you could go BPA in the first 3 rounds and fill holes on this team. Simply because they are piss poor at FA acquisition in Dallas the last 10 years plus to fill holes IMHO

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I think Dak's lack of mobility is going to start becoming a thing. He had cut way back on his scrambling, I remember the announcers talking about how Dak finally started using his legs again...during the game he got hurt. After his second leg injury, I think he is going to be locked in the pocket. That makes life much easier on the defense, JHurts isn't a great passer, but the threat of his running leads to spies, safeties in the box to stop the run, and lots of wide open receivers getting man coverage. The way to counter this is to have one Hell of a running game, not a pretty good one
 

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I really worry about it. I would have her my truck they would have gone into last season with more than Dowdle, who was unproven, and Zeke who was washed, but they did. It's insane that a team that once drafted Zeke 4th overall has suddenly decided to devalue the position when it is becoming as important now as it used to be. Same with QB. It's amazing to me that they haven't drafted a day one or two QB in over 20 years
I really hope Jeanty is there and they draft him
 
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