2025, 2026, Now, Then, or repeat?

[Stymietee]

In reading these post season posts, it occurred to me that there's a question that has to be asked, so this thread is primarily created to measure the temperature of the members. Here's the question...
Now that they have that most important piece in place, should they go all out towards winning the SB in the 2025-26 season, or build more with the goal being to win it all in the 2026-28 season?

Secondary question... what does going all out mean or for those chosing a slower route, what does the build towards the 2026-27 season look like?

 

[kbso83432]

In reading these post season posts, it occurred to me that there's a question that has to be asked, so this thread is primarily created to measure the temperature of the members. Here's the question...
Now that they have that most important piece in place, should they go all out towards winning the SB in the 2025-26 season, or build more with the goal being to win it all in the 2026-28 season?

Secondary question... what does going all out mean or for those chosing a slower route, what does the build towards the 2026-27 season look like?

I think you have to be very aggressive this off-season. Not sure what all out means, but the goal should be putting together a roster that can win a SB this year. Structure contracts with Jayden's balloon payment in mind, but yes, this year.

This is most likely our last year with Kliff.

Jayden on a rookie deal.

Made the NFC Championship.

Schedule is much more difficult on paper.

Last year was about seeing what you had in Jayden, turning the roster over, and changing the culture.

When you were three fumbles and a horrific holding non-call on a 4th down away from the Superbowl, you should be constructing the roster with the Superbowl in mind.

That does not mean aging vets like in 2000, or spending every last dollar we have and then having to gut the roster in order to pay Jayden.

Aggressive as possible with one eye on Jayden's extension.

 

[gkekoa]

They should be smart. Most would say going after Tee Higgins, Josh Sweat, and Ronnie Stanley is going all out. I would call those smart moves as they are all quality free agents who will be able to play out a 3-5 year contract. I would not be willing to give up three firsts for Myles Garrett because we don’t have that much talent to deprive our team of three high quality future players.

 

[Stymietee]

For the record, "all out" means whatever you want it to mean. The same applies to the slower route.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think the question isn’t the right one . The question is do you choose the rams model or the chiefs model .

The question is how do we build on this success ?

My answer is a little bit of both . I would shy away from trades that have us giving up future draft capital . In my opinion drafting well is the way to maintain a good talented young base .

I wouldn’t worry about what assistant coach will go or stay . Worry about the talent.

We were in the nfc championship game and any moves should be an attempt to take the next step with the realization that the team overachieved and was/is ahead of schedule . Getting more talent is a priority but it should be done in a sensible manner .
So if a Stanley or Higgins or maybe a Kupp as a cut should be looked at .

But don’t get hung up by names

I am looking at sustained success like the chiefs as opposed to the rams going “all in “ for just one superbowl
One should look at how the eagles obliterated us as the true gage as to who the team really is . In my opinion we are actually a good team but not an elite team

 

[kbso83432]

I think the question isn’t the right one . The question is do you choose the rams model or the chiefs model .

The question is how do we build on this success ?

My answer is a little bit of both . I would shy away from trades that have us giving up future draft capital . In my opinion drafting well is the way to maintain a good talented young base .

I wouldn’t worry about what assistant coach will go or stay . Worry about the talent.

We were in the nfc championship game and any moves should be an attempt to take the next step with the realization that the team overachieved and was/is ahead of schedule . Getting more talent is a priority but it should be done in a sensible manner .
So if a Stanley or Higgins or maybe a Kupp as a cut should be looked at .

But don’t get hung up by names

I am looking at sustained success like the chiefs as opposed to the rams going “all in “ for just one superbowl
One should look at how the eagles obliterated us as the true gage as to who the team really is . In my opinion we are actually a good team but not an elite team

I'm not really "hung up" on the coaching. I want to maximize having Kliff in the building by adding talent. We can walk and chew gum at the same time, no?

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm not really "hung up" on the coaching. I want to maximize having Kliff in the building by adding talent. We can walk and chew gum at the same time, no?

we are going to lose coaches the longer we are successful . thats more about what i meant by that . i want us to have urgency but not do things rashly based on artificial pressure i feel like we should go after FA's that fit our system . that give us value , and we should draft well for sustained success

 

[kbso83432]

we are going to lose coaches the longer we are successful . thats more about what i meant by that . i want us to have urgency but not do things rashly based on artificial pressure i feel like we should go after FA's that fit our system . that give us value , and we should draft well for sustained success

And what does that have to do with Kliff. I didn't say to not do any of that in my post.

 

[skinsdad62]

And what does that have to do with Kliff. I didn't say to not do any of that in my post.

i wasnt directing anything at you . and you are certainly not the only fan who is thinking we have KK for only one more year . i simply said dont worry about coaches , worry about talent . i also acknowledge you didnt say not do any of that either

the all in mentality implies to me that we have a time pressure to be something at a certain time . you can be the rams and get the superbowl win . i would want more , like the chiefs model who have lost coaches and talent yet they reload by excellent drafting and coach and player acquisitions

 

[kbso83432]

i wasnt directing anything at you . and you are certainly not the only fan who is thinking we have KK for only one more year . i simply said dont worry about coaches , worry about talent . i also acknowledge you didnt say not do any of that either

the all in mentality implies to me that we have a time pressure to be something at a certain time . you can be the rams and get the superbowl win . i would want more , like the chiefs model who have lost coaches and talent yet they reload by excellent drafting and coach and player acquisitions

The only timeframe that we are definitely under is Jayden's rookie deal. I stand by what I said though. I still think having Kliff is one of the reasons we should try to maximize the roster this year. Didn't say anything about doing it in a non sensible manner. I just wanted to make that clear because I feel you took one line and added to it with a bunch of stuff I didn't say or refer to.

Trying to give Kliff everything he needs is essentially "worrying about talent." Just wanted to clear up my original post.

 

[skinsdad62]

The only timeframe that we are definitely under is Jayden's rookie deal. I stand by what I said though. I still think having Kliff is one of the reasons we should try to maximize the roster this year. Didn't say anything about doing it in a non sensible manner. I just wanted to make that clear because I feel you took one line and added to it with a bunch of stuff I didn't say or refer to.

Trying to give Kliff everything he needs is essentially "worrying about talent." Just wanted to clear up my original post.

Sorry about that , it wasn’t aimed at you

We have no time frames to worry about . You are paying JD5 no matter what . That is in the long term plan . To be able to absorb that salary and remain contenders drafting well and identifying quality FA’s is key . The FO is the key here .

 

[Sportster 72]

I think the question isn’t the right one . The question is do you choose the rams model or the chiefs model .

The question is how do we build on this success ?

My answer is a little bit of both . I would shy away from trades that have us giving up future draft capital . In my opinion drafting well is the way to maintain a good talented young base .

I wouldn’t worry about what assistant coach will go or stay . Worry about the talent.

We were in the nfc championship game and any moves should be an attempt to take the next step with the realization that the team overachieved and was/is ahead of schedule . Getting more talent is a priority but it should be done in a sensible manner .
So if a Stanley or Higgins or maybe a Kupp as a cut should be looked at .

But don’t get hung up by names

I am looking at sustained success like the chiefs as opposed to the rams going “all in “ for just one superbowl
One should look at how the eagles obliterated us as the true gage as to who the team really is . In my opinion we are actually a good team but not an elite team

Over the last week or so I have thought about KC. I remember thinking when Hill and Kelce were there, "what will they do when they lose one or both of those two." The answer is .... win more Super Bowls. It is a reason why I didn't go all in for Tee. The C word team had the 4th most points with a TE, Mahomes and a good defense. Sustained model. I like it, then too what I like doesn't have anything to do with what AP thinks.

 

[skinz2winz]

You continue down the road of building a team around JD5. He is going nowhere in the next 8-10 years. Having said that, you scout your ass off and draft well. Your acquisitions are calculated, and your direction is very well thought out. It's what I like about this FO. AP is just that. Our window of opportunity is always open with JD5. Build the best possible team any means necessary for sustainable success for the foreseeable future.
The model of success is what you make it.

 

[Sportster 72]

KC is winning with a highly paid QB, it can be done.

 

[kbso83432]

KC is winning with a highly paid QB, it can be done.

When your highly paid QB is the GOAT or close to it, that helps. Lol

 

[Skin'EmAll]

In reading these post season posts, it occurred to me that there's a question that has to be asked, so this thread is primarily created to measure the temperature of the members. Here's the question...
Now that they have that most important piece in place, should they go all out towards winning the SB in the 2025-26 season, or build more with the goal being to win it all in the 2026-28 season?

Secondary question... what does going all out mean or for those chosing a slower route, what does the build towards the 2026-27 season look like?

I picked going all out. Maybe thats for Myles Garrett or maybe thats in FA.
We have to beat the Ravens, Steelers, etc of the 2025 schedule. Winning the division should be a goal. Right now there's clearly one team in the NFC that we can't beat and that's the eagles. The eagles added an elite piece in Saquan, and also made some moves that worked in FA. We need to do the same...

This was a hard choice for me because what we did in FA and the draft was amazing.
To have scouts and talent evaluators is amazing, but im not sure this is the draft where we get players that will help us get over the hump.

 

[skinsdad62]

I picked going all out. Maybe thats for Myles Garrett or maybe thats in FA.
We have to beat the Ravens, Steelers, etc of the 2025 schedule. Winning the division should be a goal. Right now there's clearly one team in the NFC that we can't beat and that's the eagles. The eagles added an elite piece in Saquan, and also made some moves that worked in FA. We need to do the same...

This was a hard choice for me because what we did in FA and the draft was amazing.
To have scouts and talent evaluators is amazing, but im not sure this is the draft where we get players that will help us get over the hump.

This draft has players that can help us . And remember Philly had a stacked roster in place before getting Quan

 

[Stymietee]

First, let's clear up a few things:

1. Patrick Mahomes led the Chiefs to three Super Bowl victories in four appearances while he was on his rookie deal.

2. Jayden Daniels is on his rookie deal and as I type this is considered one of, if not the best QB in the Conference.

3. The idea behind identifying your long-term QB quickly isn't to build slowly but to take advantage of his relatively small cap hit in winning championships. (Yes, it can be done after you pay him but that doesn't mean you pass on the current opportunities)

4. This team made it to the conference championship with a great QB and average to good talent.

The obvious answer is... Go all out to win now!

Here's what that means to me... Go get Higgins, Garrett, and anyone else who meets both age and talent requirements to make the run now, next year, and the year after. When those contracts expire or they are representative of older players seeking new contracts, the QB will have to be paid and even though we know that the talents won't be the same, we do know that this QB and this coaching staff can take lesser talents into the playoffs. Essentially, win it with great talents and rely on your already established fall-back as they age out and your QB is commanding a bigger piece of the pie.

 

[kbso83432]

Roseman traded up for Smith, traded up for Carter, traded up with us for Dejean, traded for Slay, traded for AJ Brown. Sometimes you just have to be aggressive. Knowing when to do so is the key.

 

[Stymietee]

Roseman traded up for Smith, traded up for Carter, traded up with us for Dejean, traded for Slay, traded for AJ Brown. Sometimes you just have to be aggressive. Knowing when to do so is the key.

Years ago, when Bruce Allen was pretending to be a GM, I outlined reasons why he had to be replaced by a "dedicated GM." Your point, "knowing when to do so," adds to that list. Thanks!