2024-25 Around the League Thread

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Keegan Murray is looking like Michael Carter-Williams, or Tyreke Evans.

In that their rookie years were their best year.

 

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This would go in the "MHSL82, how could we forget the magic words?" thread if we were Spurs fans.

The Spurs have set a franchise record for 3's in a game, twice this year.

The first time, they broke their franchise record of 21 and hit 22.

The second time, they broke their franchise record of 22 and hit 23.

The first time, they faced the Sacramento Kings.

The second time, they faced the Sacramento Kings. On the road.

The Spurs previous season high for 3's was 19, when they scored 110 points and beat the Thunder.

 

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Sabonis is leading the NBA in rebounds per game, and 3 point percentage.

Jokic is 3rd and 2nd in those categories.

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The official leaders for the latest NBA season. Features the ability to filter by season, season type, per mode, stat category, and more.

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[nuraman00]

Sabonis takes 2.4 a game. That's probably the right amount, considering that his you don't want to take too much away from his strength around the basket.

Jokic is #2 in percentage at 4.6 a game.

Towns is #6 in percentage at 4.9 a game.

John Collins is #9 in percentage at 3.3 a game.

I'm focusing on PFs and Centers because we could have someone lead the league in rebounding and 3 point percentage.

The year Larry Bird averaged 11 rebounds a game, he shot 28% from 3.

 

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The Nets Are The Worst Team In Sports.

 

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Weird results yesterday.

Portland beats Orlando by 22.
Toronto beats Atlanta.
Dallas beats Oklahoma City.
Golden State beats Chicago by 25.
Los Angeles Lakers beat Boston by 19.

 

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Due to recent news, the topic of 'The worst trade in NBA history' has been mentioned a lot lately, and by many people who lack the necessary context. Obviously, we don't know what will happen in the future -- not wishing anyone any harm, but Doncic could, for example, blow out his Achilles in his next game, and turn into Brendan Fraser during his rehab, and never be the same. As could Davis. That said, some of the competition for this "title" is impressive.

Probably the current worst was when on October 18, 1976, the Portland Trail Blazers traded 21 year-old Moses Malone to Buffalo for a single first-round pick, which they turned into journeyman Rick Robey. Malone had already been an ABA All-star at 19 -- posting 19/15 -- so it isn't like Portland didn't know what they had. Malone would win the first of his 3 MVPs two years later, and almost everything else that exists to be won. This trade is compounded by the facts that Portland chose to keep Bill Walton instead of Malone, and then spent the next couple decades trying to acquire a center with functional legs.

Astoundingly, the second-worst trade might have been 6 days and 2 games and only 3 minutes of play later (!!) when Buffalo turned around and flipped Malone to Houston for just two first-round picks -- although they did turn one of those into Michael Ray Richardson, who was quite good.

Other candidates include:

In 1979, the Los Angeles Lakers traded 23 year-old Adrian Dantley to Utah for 30 year-old Spencer Haywood and 20 pounds of cocaine. Actually, Haywood just brought the coke with him -- and later consumed much of it before trying to kill his coach __during the NBA Finals__. Dantley went on to become the most-efficient high-volume scorer that basketball has yet seen. The Lakers were so ridiculously loaded with talent that they won a bunch of titles anyway, but this trade was horrific -- almost literally, since it nearly got someone killed.

In 1965, San Francisco traded 28 year-old Wilt Chamberlain -- in the midst of a 35/12/3 season -- to Philadelphia for Connie Dierking ( a journeyman center ), Paul Newman ( a decent point guard ), the rights to a guy who hadn't played in years and never did again, and cash. Chamberlain took the Sixers to their first title two seasons later ( they also won 1 as the Nationals ).

In 1972, Houston traded 26 year-old Elvin Hayes -- 12th leading scorer of all-time -- to Baltimore straight-up for Jack Marin. Marin was a real good player, and 2-time All-star, but his best days were already behind him, and Hayes would be top-10 in MVP voting for the next 5 years running.

In 1976, the New York Nets outright sold Julius Erving to Philadelphia for $6M -- after the Knicks turned down buying Erving for $3M (!!).


There are some other candidates, too. Anyway, the most-likely scenarios for Doncic-Davis probably don't wind up making the Top 5 of Worst NBA Trades. The first Malone trade will be the worst for a long time. The only case to date of a 21 year-old future-multiple-MVP-winner being swapped straight-up for a journeyman. Also one of unimaginably few cases where we know that a team accepted half of the value, because 6 days later the same player was flipped for twice as much, despite playing only 3 minutes in the interim.

Half of those trades are value of the trade at the end of the players' careers. Totally different situation.

Dantley was 23 and averaged 17 ppg. He didn't become the HOF player until after he was traded, same with Malone.

Luka RIGHT NOW is 26 and made five consecutive 1st team all-nba teams and could be destined to be a top 10 player of all-time.

Most of these other trades happened when the league was watered down with less teams and less talent. The fact you have to go back to the 60's tells you all you need to know.

A COUPLE BIG POINTS that made a huge difference in these particular trades:

WILT ASKED TO BE TRADED - the return for a player when they request out is much lower.

HAYES HAD A DISPUTE WITH THE HEAD COACH AND HAD MANY DISAGREEMENTS - after these events they traded Hayes

JULIUS WAS SOLD AND NY WAS OUTBID - a player in a bidding war is a free agent move in todays' game. Nobody is counting it. Not a player and/or pick transaction.

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Due to recent news, the topic of 'The worst trade in NBA history' has been mentioned a lot lately, and by many people who lack the necessary context. Obviously, we don't know what will happen in the future -- not wishing anyone any harm, but Doncic could, for example, blow out his Achilles in...

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[nuraman00]

So the Dantley trade should be in the "MHSL82, how could we forget the magic words?" thread.

Wow, it's been more than a year since we've posted in it? Are there some good things about the Jazz that we can think of and put in there?

Have they had a great win or great trade or great find in player development lately?

 

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Victor Wembanyama to miss rest of regular season with shoulder injury, Spurs say

The team announced Thursday that Wembanyama's season is over due to deep vein thrombosis in his right shoulder.

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Will Popovich and Wembanyama return together next season?