Series Thread: The Oops There's No Game Day Thread but I Want to Say Something Thread

[nuraman00]

I haven't looked this up, but I'm starting to think that there's a double digit losing streak of losing to the Lakers at Staples.

 

[MHSL82]

And his assists suck more than Kirk Snyder.

He is number one in assists for his class.

 

[MHSL82]

7-13 today. He missed his last shot which was in consequential because we were already going to lose. So it should’ve been seven for 12. I think that they only shot the ball because of the tournament points. I think the Jazz were trying to lower the Lakers differential.

22-46 in the last 4 games. That’s about where I would want him to be at least. Obviously, I would love to him to be 100%. But 22-46 is fine.

 

[nuraman00]

He is number one in assists for his class.

He has the worst +/- for his draft class.

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I'll take Podziemski and Wembanyama's assists.

I am also interested in learning more about Bilal Coulibaly.

Keyonte George has 7 steals in 13 games. He might finish with less than half a steal per game.

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Marcus Sasser was pretty good last year. He's only playing 10 mpg this year, now that the Pistons are healthy.

Perhaps if the Pistons move him, the Jazz can try to get him.

 

[MHSL82]

He has the worst +/- for his draft class.

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I'll take Podziemski and Wembanyama's assists.

I am also interested in learning more about Bilal Coulibaly.

Keyonte George has 7 steals in 13 games. He might finish with less than half a steal per game.

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Marcus Sasser was pretty good last year. He's only playing 10 mpg this year, now that the Pistons are healthy.

Perhaps if the Pistons move him, the Jazz can try to get him.

Please point to my post where I said anything else about George. You criticized his assists when that’s the only thing that was working for him. I have said plenty of negative things about Keynote and nothing positive about +/- or steals. I don’t know about his assists to TO ratio.

 

[nuraman00]

I think after one's rookie year, players should get compared to everyone in the league, not just their draft class.

The average career is 4.7 years. He's getting closer to being out of the league, which would be in less than 3 years.

6 assists a game is not impressive when compared to everyone in the league. Or, compare him to all 2nd year players historically if you want.

Remember Michael Carter-Williams?

He was no longer a starting point guard after his 4th year, and only started when there were injuries.

He had 6.7 assists on 39% FG in his 2nd year, and 7.4 assists on 38% shooting in his 3rd year. Those numbers were not good enough for him to stay a starting PG.

So, while he did surpass the 4.7 year mark, he averaged less than 19 minutes a game after that.


I mentioned Marcus Sasser on Detroit, because he looked intriguing with his shooting and assists at times, including some times when he started for an injured Cade Cunningham.

And if Detroit doesn't have room to play him, maybe the Jazz could get him and see how he is as a starter. But maybe he wouldn't be a good full time starter.

If Keyonte wants to impress me, he's got to be a Tyrese Haliburton or Baron Davis level player like they were in their 2nd year.

 

[nuraman00]

I kind of like Kyle Filipowski.

Still a long way to go though to reach the talent level of Mitchell and Gobert.

 

[nuraman00]

I like how John Collins has played this year.

 

[nuraman00]

George is averaging 5.1 assists in 8 November games.

In 13 games this season, he has 4 games with 7 or more assists.

 

[nuraman00]

George has improved his shooting, turnovers, FT% from October to November.

He has declined in steals and assists.

 

[nuraman00]

Was the original "Question For Nuraman" thread on the ESPN boards, about the Jazz not taking a lot of 3's compared to their opposition?

Or the opposing team making a lot more than the Jazz?

Yesterday's game wouldn't really apply. The Jazz took more 3's than the Lakers. They made 2 less, which isn't that big of a difference.

BUT, one player made a lot.

 

[nuraman00]

How many times has an opposing player scored 49+ against the Jazz? Are they the worst team in history at that?

James, Bryant, Murray, Fox have done it, off the top of my head. Curry probably has. Wouldn't be surprised if Gilgeous-Alexander does it soon.

 

[MHSL82]

I think after one's rookie year, players should get compared to everyone in the league, not just their draft class.

The average career is 4.7 years. He's getting closer to being out of the league, which would be in less than 3 years.

6 assists a game is not impressive when compared to everyone in the league. Or, compare him to all 2nd year players historically if you want.

Remember Michael Carter-Williams?

He was no longer a starting point guard after his 4th year, and only started when there were injuries.

He had 6.7 assists on 39% FG in his 2nd year, and 7.4 assists on 38% shooting in his 3rd year. Those numbers were not good enough for him to stay a starting PG.

So, while he did surpass the 4.7 year mark, he averaged less than 19 minutes a game after that.


I mentioned Marcus Sasser on Detroit, because he looked intriguing with his shooting and assists at times, including some times when he started for an injured Cade Cunningham.

And if Detroit doesn't have room to play him, maybe the Jazz could get him and see how he is as a starter. But maybe he wouldn't be a good full time starter.

If Keyonte wants to impress me, he's got to be a Tyrese Haliburton or Baron Davis level player like they were in their 2nd year.

I don’t know that he has the ball in the same way and frequency as a point guard. I feel like he’s in between. And you might say that because he isn’t good at assists and that’s why I see him as middle. I don’t really see anything that he’s good at. Maybe something’s he’s improved on. I dislike that he averages more assists than other players in the Jazz.

 

[nuraman00]

I dislike that he averages more assists than other players in the Jazz.

Did you mean "like"?

Did you mean "I just like"?

 

[nuraman00]

I don’t know that he has the ball in the same way and frequency as a point guard. I feel like he’s in between. And you might say that because he isn’t good at assists and that’s why I see him as middle. I don’t really see anything that he’s good at. Maybe something’s he’s improved on.

His usage percentage, which incorporates FTAs, FGAs, assists, and turnovers, is the highest on the team, at 27%.

Last year, he was at 22%. Collin Sexton and Jordan Clarkson lead the team at 27 and 26%.

Markkanen had 26% 2 years ago.

Donovan Mitchell was at 32% 3 years ago.

Jordan Clarkson had 26.9%.

4 years ago, Clarkson had 29.7%.


So, he has the ball a lot. Comparable to a Sexton or Clarkson or Markkanen type player.

Does he have it in the same way? I don't know. I don't understand this year's Jazz team when watching them.

Including the complaint that Markkanen either seems unaggressive, or deprioritized. Usage % confirms this. He's at 21%. That is not the usage rate of an All-Star player, which is what Markkanen should be trying to be.

Kris Dunn would have been a better starting PG. Maybe George is in the middle.

I see Dunn is only 30. Instead of doing a sign and trade, for garbage 2030 2nd round picks, they should have resigned him on the same 3 year deal. Maybe moved George to SG who would also have some playmaking abilities, since he might be middle.

Dunn looks like a PG; has the Assist % numbers of good PGs in some seasons; and I think had more years left in him.

That way they could run the team better, and still give George a chance to expand upon last year.

 

[MHSL82]

Did you mean "like"?

Did you mean "I just like"?

Yes, I meant just like, I have been desensitized to low assist numbers because of damn Snyder’s system where everyone was passing the ball and therefore nobody got high assists. I did like Ingles every once in a while got a good number of assists for his usage, but I want a Halliburton like you want one and I know that George is not that, so I take what I can get.

He’s not doing anything else well and so therefore that’s the best attribute right now. But I don’t watch enough games to know how he’s getting those assists and based on your information about usage, maybe it’s just because he has a ball a lot. I still don’t look at that like a point guard. But whatever, my definition is more of a look and a result than a fact. If he were averaging 10 assists, not only would that satisfy you, it also look like a point guard to me. He doesn’t look like a point guard to me and yet has 6 assists per game. So when I lower my standards by looking at him, not as a point guard, those assists have a different perspective to me, especially when coupled with the fact that we haven’t had an assist guy since Stockton left. Well, since William left. Stockton is first level, Williams is the second level, and we haven’t had a third level since either of them.

But dammit, I want something from someone. I like Markkenan, but I don’t watch him like I watch some players.

 

[nuraman00]

What levels were Conley Jr. and Rubio?

 

[nuraman00]

Yes, I meant just like, I have been desensitized to low assist numbers because of damn Snyder’s system where everyone was passing the ball and therefore nobody got high assists.

At least those Jazz teams were winning. And they had high ORTGs. They were #1 in ORTG in 2022.

Better than nobody getting high assists and losing.

The Jazz are 25th in ORTG this year and 29th in DRTG.

They were 30th in DRTG last year.

 

[nuraman00]

How many games have Markkanen, Kessler, and George played together in their careers?

How many have all 3 started together?

The last salvage of whether is is a PG would be if they actually played together, and things looked different. But I don't know how many games they've played together so far.

 

[nuraman00]

I like Markkenan, but I don’t watch him like I watch some players.

I want him to at least be the level Okur was at in 2007. He's not even at that, in terms of aggressiveness, this year.