Series Thread: 2023 NBA Finals: Heat vs. Nuggets

[bksballer89]

Isn't Jokic kind of the head and a lot of the body of the snake?

Contain Murray and Denver is very beatable. Hard to do though

 

[bksballer89]

Had Oladipo been healthy, I think he’d do a pretty good job of containing Murray and having Jimmy focus more on offense without being fatigued.

Murray’s the head of the snake. We need to find a way to contain him.

I disagree. Had Murray been primarily an iso/1 on 1 player then i agree. It is extremely hard to guard that 2 man game/dho with him and jokic

 

[fightinfunbags]

Lol embarrassing. Said 6 weeks from jump and now we are entering week 7. Nba finals on the line and Miami still handling players like its December

How good would he be when he’s a shooter/scorer with a broken wrist that isn’t ready?

 

[bksballer89]

How good would he be when he’s a shooter/scorer with a broken wrist that isn’t ready?

Idk but i would like to find out

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

Lol embarrassing. Said 6 weeks from jump and now we are entering week 7. Nba finals on the line and Miami still handling players like its December

He might be good to go by game 5 on Monday..or by game 6 in Miami if this series gets that far.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Isn't Jokic kind of the head and a lot of the body of the snake?

“Shutting down Jokic” is essentially making him shoot enough shots to get 40+. You’re not going to shut that guy down because he always makes the right play and the defense can’t take away everything. That’s why you need to focus on holding Murray down. Their blue print entails needing both Murray and Jokic. The better course is to try and shut down Murray in my opinion.

 

[bksballer89]

He might be good to go by game 5 on Monday..or by game 6 in Miami if this series gets that far.

Game 6 is too late and damn sure dont want him back in game 5 down 3-1

How many contact practices you need to be clear? 20

 

[fightinfunbags]

Idk but i would like to find out

You say this until he comes back with no B-ball cardio, is a turnstile on defense and shooting 20-25% from the floor on volume. If he was ready to contribute, the Heat would assuredly have him out there.

 

[trojanfan12]

Comparing Magic to LeBron is a joke at this point, lol.

People just like to hold on to the past.

Nah, it really isn't.

Claiming it's a joke is actually a joke.

Magic was legitimately in the GOAT convo for years and for many people he still is.

Lebron is a bigger, stronger version of Magic and has longevity over him.

If nothing else, Magic is 5-4 in finals appearances while Lebron is 4-6.

 

[trojanfan12]

“Shutting down Jokic” is essentially making him shoot enough shots to get 40+. You’re not going to shut that guy down because he always makes the right play and the defense can’t take away everything. That’s why you need to focus on holding Murray down. Their blue print entails needing both Murray and Jokic. The better course is to try and shut down Murray in my opinion.

Right, but what worked in game 2 was Jokic scoring 40+ but only getting 4 assists.

They don't really need to focus on Murray as much as they need to deny him (and others) the ball.

Denver is at their best when Joker is scoring in the 27 to 32 point range and getting 10+ assists. When that happens it means he's scoring efficiently and getting his teammates going too.,

If memory serves, Joker has scored 40+ in 3 games in these playoffs and they have lost all 3.

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

Game 6 is too late and damn sure dont want him back in game 5 down 3-1

How many contact practices you need to be clear? 20

That's a silly take.

What if they head into game 5 tied 2-2?
Does that change things?

C'mon, Man.

 

[bksballer89]

That's a silly take.

What if they head into game 5 tied 2-2?

C'mon, Man.

you bring his ass back

 

[trojanfan12]

you bring his ass back

Imo, you bring him back for game 5 whether it's 2-2 or 3-1.

It takes 4 games to win a series, so if there are games to be played and he's cleared, you play him.

Even if you can't play him normal minutes or he's rusty...you play him because Denver has to account for him when he's on the floor which helps Jimmy and Bam.

 

[PPhan]

Isn't Jokic kind of the head and a lot of the body of the snake?

I mean Jokic is gonna get his no matter what. So you focus on the guy that could at least be contained which is Murray.

 

[PPhan]

“Shutting down Jokic” is essentially making him shoot enough shots to get 40+. You’re not going to shut that guy down because he always makes the right play and the defense can’t take away everything. That’s why you need to focus on holding Murray down. Their blue print entails needing both Murray and Jokic. The better course is to try and shut down Murray in my opinion.

Well said

 

[PPhan]

We need to play this guy over Zeller. Thank you!

 

[fightinfunbags]

We need to play this guy over Zeller. Thank you!

That’s honestly not a bad idea at this point.

 

[PPhan]

Nah, it really isn't.

Claiming it's a joke is actually a joke.

Magic was legitimately in the GOAT convo for years and for many people he still is.

Lebron is a bigger, stronger version of Magic and has longevity over him.

If nothing else, Magic is 5-4 in finals appearances while Lebron is 4-6.

The GOAT discussion should only be MJ and Bron. I can understand Kareem being mentioned, but even that is a flat out no in my book.

LeBron is a much better scorer and a much better defender in his prime. Magic can’t take over a game like LeBron can either. Honestly, I can’t see an argument where Magic is in LeBron’s league yet alone being better. I really can’t.

 

[trojanfan12]

The GOAT discussion should only be MJ and Bron. I can understand Kareem being mentioned, but even that is a flat out no in my book.

LeBron is a much better scorer and a much better defender in his prime. Magic can’t take over a game like LeBron can either. Honestly, I can’t see an argument where Magic is in LeBron’s league yet alone being better. I really can’t.

If Kareem is flat no in your book, there really isn't much more to discuss. His resume is every bit as strong as MJ and Lebron and even exceeds them in some areas. Kareem also had the most unblockable shot in basketball history.

 

[thunderc]

If Kareem is flat no in your book, there really isn't much more to discuss. His resume is every bit as strong as MJ and Lebron and even exceeds them in some areas. Kareem also had the most unblockable shot in basketball history.

He obviously didn’t see much of Magic. No goat conversation is complete without Kareem.