2021 NBA regular season thread

[dtgold88]

That isn’t an extreme comment man.

You are just too much.

Your boy made a stupid homerific trade idea that is completely unrealistic. Maybe you should try calling him on it instead of your usual “but we don’t know what his trade value is until he is dealt”.

Yeah we can make some pretty good assumptions about player values based other deals we have seen.

Garland has value. Not enough to return a star like Beal. Wiseman would get closer to doing so.

It's extreme. as so often will be with you and that's cool. He didn't suggest Garland for Beal so there's that. And, no, you do not know what they think of a barely 21-year-old who already has shown improvement in year 2. Hell, I didn't think much of him as a rookie and said so, but he looks a lot better. If anything needs to shoot more. And, yes, also possible they don;t think much of him.

Drummond could have some value either as an expiring contract if they want that or maybe they think he's kind of good and would like to keep him? Might need to do better than lightly protected pick though from Cavs.

 

[tlance]

It's extreme. as so often will be with you and that's cool. He didn't suggest Garland for Beal so there's that. And, no, you do not know what they think of a barely 21-year-old who already has shown improvement in year 2. Hell, I didn't think much of him as a rookie and said so, but he looks a lot better. If anything needs to shoot more. And, yes, also possible they don;t think much of him.

Drummond could have some value either as an expiring contract if they want that or maybe they think he's kind of good and would like to keep him? Might need to do better than lightly protected pick though from Cavs.

He suggested Garland, Drummond who the Wizards can’t use if they are trading Beal and lightly protected first.

Totally unrealistic.

Now maybe a 3rd team wanting Drummond could give the Wizards another major asset that could get closer, but that isn’t what he posted.

If the Wizards trade Beal they aren’t going to value veteran assets in return because it means they are going full tank.

 

[WiggyRuss]

He suggested Garland, Drummond who the Wizards can’t use if they are trading Beal and lightly protected first.

Totally unrealistic.

Now maybe a 3rd team wanting Drummond could give the Wizards another major asset that could get closer, but that isn’t what he posted.

If the Wizards trade Beal they aren’t going to value veteran assets in return because it means they are going full tank.

if you think you are going to get a lot more than a big expiring contract, a 20 year old point guard taken 5th overall that looks very talented, and what will likely be around the 6th-8th pick in this loaded draft- you are out of your mind.

not "completely unrealistic at all"

in fact- its more than the Rockets got for Harden.

would you rather have a bunch of shitty picks---- or a top 5 pick, and a top 7 pick in a loaded draft--- while not having to wait years to get them.

would you rather get Lonzo Ball and Hayes some LAkers and Bucks picks? Have to pay Lonzo 20M a year, get a big like Hayes who is not terribly different from what you have- and some late first round lotto tickets?

 

[WiggyRuss]

in NBA trades- id rather have quality over quantity any day.

Not having to take back any bad money, and getting 2 players who would be the core of your team and under long term control for years to come right NOW- is a lot more valuable than Victor Oladipo on an expiring contract, and a bunch of lotto tickets 5 years into the future.

especially in this upcoming draft. I mean in this upcoming draft you are going to have guys going 4th and 5th that are better prospects than Anthony Edwards.

 

[WiggyRuss]

the twolves and heat might have blundered big time--- maybe not so much the Heat if they right the ship---- but OKC has their unprotected first rounder this year. In this draft......

2021 NBA Mock Draft consensus 1.0: The complete first round

See the top projected picks in our first consensus NBA Mock Draft.

therookiewire.usatoday.com

AT LEAST the first 4 guys in this draft would go #1 overall last year. Could be as much as 6 with Kuminga and Ziare Williams.

 

[WiggyRuss]

1. Cade Cunningham- gonna be #1
2. Jalen Suggs
3. Mobley- i hate putting a big man here but hes a better prospect than Wiseman by a long a shot
4. Jalen Green
5. Jonathan Kuminga

those guys would all almost assuredly be #1 last year

other guys like Williams of Stanford, Johnson of Duke, and Barnes of Florida State all are very good prospects too. Williams especially.

NBA Mock Draft: Latest Projections for First Round

Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley and Jonathan Kuminga headline the top of the draft.

www.si.com

 

[trojanfan12]

3. Mobley- i hate putting a big man here but hes a better prospect than Wiseman by a long a shot

I've watched every game. He plays like AD. He has a long way to go to get to that level of course. Unless he takes a really big jump over the next half of the season, I'd say he needs 1 more year in college (although being a probable top 5 pick probably nixes that) or he should do like Kobe and not start for his first season or 2 (although that's unlikely since the team he goes to likely won't have that luxury like the Lakers did with Kobe).

His talent is obvious and the word that comes to mind when I watch him is "smooth". But he isn't aggressive/assertive enough yet and needs to learn to be a little more physical. He also defers to his brother (who looks to be a 2nd round pick right now) a little too much, even though he's the better player.

On the occasions when he has looked to be aggressive, good things happen, so hopefully he starts to do more of that.

 

[tlance]

if you think you are going to get a lot more than a big expiring contract, a 20 year old point guard taken 5th overall that looks very talented, and what will likely be around the 6th-8th pick in this loaded draft- you are out of your mind.

not "completely unrealistic at all"

in fact- its more than the Rockets got for Harden.

would you rather have a bunch of shitty picks---- or a top 5 pick, and a top 7 pick in a loaded draft--- while not having to wait years to get them.

would you rather get Lonzo Ball and Hayes some LAkers and Bucks picks? Have to pay Lonzo 20M a year, get a big like Hayes who is not terribly different from what you have- and some late first round lotto tickets?

Now you are moving the goal posts.

The Cavs pick is top 7 now? After trading for Beal? Really?

Garland is a nice prospect. Not an elite one. You need to pay more to get a player like Beal. You are way overvaluing him as you do for every single Cavs player.

 

[tlance]

in NBA trades- id rather have quality over quantity any day.

Not having to take back any bad money, and getting 2 players who would be the core of your team and under long term control for years to come right NOW- is a lot more valuable than Victor Oladipo on an expiring contract, and a bunch of lotto tickets 5 years into the future.

especially in this upcoming draft. I mean in this upcoming draft you are going to have guys going 4th and 5th that are better prospects than Anthony Edwards.

Of course I would rather have quality over quantity.

If Garland had that type of projectable upside, you wouldn’t be willing to trade him.

And you know it.

 

[bksballer89]

3 weeks after his last name due to covid, Jimmy is finally back

 

[WiggyRuss]

Now you are moving the goal posts.

The Cavs pick is top 7 now? After trading for Beal? Really?

Garland is a nice prospect. Not an elite one. You need to pay more to get a player like Beal. You are way overvaluing him as you do for every single Cavs player.

i asked you if there is a single prospect or pick out there that would hold more value than Garland and you had no response.

and- as i have shouted from the roof tops- i dont think the Cavs record is legit- i expect them to be a bottom 10 team by the end of the season. As does Jason Lloyd.

Lloyd-in an interview with 92.3 said the same thing that i have been thinking the whole time---- hustle and teamwork can get you a few extra wins a season- and the CAvs have a good coach, teamwork, and work ethic all around the roster---- its one of the reasons they got rid of Porter--- they didnt need that to break up what they have going

but its a lot of young guys that i think will run out of steam- especially as the league gets healthier and the vaccine gets distirubted- which i expect by the end of March.

I think the Cavs are still looking at the lotto and a top 10 pick in this loaded draft. Garland and a top 10 pick in this loaded draft and DRummond expiring is a lot better- at least in my eyes- than paying Lonzo Ball 20 million a year, getting Hayes who isnt a whole ton different than Robinson- and a pupu platter of first round picks years into the future.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Of course I would rather have quality over quantity.

If Garland had that type of projectable upside, you wouldn’t be willing to trade him.

And you know it.

with Sexton on the roster i would absolutely be willing to do it.

 

[tlance]

with Sexton on the roster i would absolutely be willing to do it.

The Wizards wouldn’t do that.

Like I said at the beginning, any Cav offer would have to start with Sexton or no deal.

 

[tlance]

i asked you if there is a single prospect or pick out there that would hold more value than Garland and you had no response.

and- as i have shouted from the roof tops- i dont think the Cavs record is legit- i expect them to be a bottom 10 team by the end of the season. As does Jason Lloyd.

Lloyd-in an interview with 92.3 said the same thing that i have been thinking the whole time---- hustle and teamwork can get you a few extra wins a season- and the CAvs have a good coach, teamwork, and work ethic all around the roster---- its one of the reasons they got rid of Porter--- they didnt need that to break up what they have going

but its a lot of young guys that i think will run out of steam- especially as the league gets healthier and the vaccine gets distirubted- which i expect by the end of March.

I think the Cavs are still looking at the lotto and a top 10 pick in this loaded draft. Garland and a top 10 pick in this loaded draft and DRummond expiring is a lot better- at least in my eyes- than paying Lonzo Ball 20 million a year, getting Hayes who isnt a whole ton different than Robinson- and a pupu platter of first round picks years into the future.

I said your offer was not even close. Didn’t need to name any single prospects with more value.

But later, I named 3. There are obviously more, but these 3 would possibly be in play if their teams wanted Beal.

Herro, Sexton and Wiseman

 

[bksballer89]

Iman Shumpert back with the nets to help the defense

 

[bksballer89]

Rockets looking really good since trading Harden and getting healthy

 

[bksballer89]

Dame does it again.

Buzzer beater in Chicago.

Blazers win after trailing down 5 with 12 seconds left

 

[Black Adam]

Hoping Smart is OK...

 

[bksballer89]

Hoping Smart is OK...

What happened?

 

[Black Adam]

What happened?

Looking like he hurt his knee. They took him back to the locker room...