2021 NBA Offseason

[The Q]

If he wants to go to Boston, he has the leverage to try to force his way there.

The bird rights would cost him a lot of money to do that

 

[fightinfunbags]

If they keep Wiggins it works but he's both the only realistic player that can be included for matching salaries and the only player Philly would want (along with Wiseman and the first round picks).

Sorry but I don't like Simmons to the Warriors for fit reasons and what you have to give up. The odds makers already have the Ws with like the 4th best odds to win it all after the Bucks, Lakers, and Nets with what they have and that's before drafting.

Maybe I’m reading this wrong but with Joel Embiid on the roster, Philly would have no desire to add Wiseman.

 

[The Q]

Better than Dame LOL. He doesn't fit.

better fit than dame.
Reading comp please

 

[trojanfan12]

The bird rights would cost him a lot of money to do that

Which is why he'd have to want to go there. Not saying that he does, or would. Just that he can get himself there.

 

[msgkings322]

better fit than dame.
Reading comp please

Yes I know who cares? I was pointing out that Dame is an even worse fit, not sure why you brought him up too. Beal, Simmons, Dame, all terrible fits

 

[trojanfan12]

Maybe I’m reading this wrong but with Joel Embiid on the roster, Philly would have no desire to add Wiseman.

Not necessarily. Embiid is solid on the perimeter. If Wiseman mainly plays in the paint, Embiid can play the perimeter which will save him some of the physical pounding that bigs take in the paint. It would be similar to what having Dwight and Javale did for the Lakers re: AD.

 

[fightinfunbags]

don’t buy it. They can’t touch golden states offer.

Not sure about that. GS doesn’t have anyone they’d be willing to deal on the same level as Jaylen Brown. I read Brown Smart and draft picks was what the Cs would be willing to do. At the same time, take all that shit with a grain of salt because of the speculation game and people being able to throw out lots of stuff without getting called on it.

 

[msgkings322]

Maybe I’m reading this wrong but with Joel Embiid on the roster, Philly would have no desire to add Wiseman.

Wiseman is super young and raw, you bring him around slowly and have him as Embiid injury insurance. Or you flip him.

But again, Simmons not a fit.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Not necessarily. Embiid is solid on the perimeter. If Wiseman mainly plays in the paint, Embiid can play the perimeter which will save him some of the physical pounding that bigs take in the paint. It would be similar to what having Dwight and Javale did for the Lakers re: AD.

Tried that already with a better and more refined basketball player in Horford. It was a disaster.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yes I know who cares? I was pointing out that Dame is an even worse fit, not sure why you brought him up too. Beal, Simmons, Dame, all terrible fits

I'm not sure Simmons would be a bad fit. I could see him as a more talented version of Dray. In fact, he could allow Dray to come off the bench and/or play fewer minutes. Might extend his career a couple of seasons.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Wiseman is super young and raw, you bring him around slowly and have him as Embiid injury insurance. Or you flip him.

But again, Simmons not a fit.

I don’t see any way the Sixers deal Simmons for a bench guy and Embiid insurance. If a team built around Embiid has Embiid go down that season is over. Wiseman at that point would be a band aid on a head wound. I’m losing my shit of Morey trades Simmons for a project still in development that is a back up at Embiid’s position.

 

[msgkings322]

I'm not sure Simmons would be a bad fit. I could see him as a more talented version of Dray. In fact, he could allow Dray to come off the bench and/or play fewer minutes. Might extend his career a couple of seasons.

I mean, of the 3 he fits best. Not sure the team is better adding him with what you have to give up. But I do trust the FO so we'll see what happens

 

[msgkings322]

I don’t see any way the Sixers deal Simmons for a bench guy and Embiid insurance. If a team built around Embiid has Embiid go down that season is over. Wiseman at that point would be a band aid on a head wound. I’m losing my shit of Morey trades Simmons for a project still in development that is a back up at Embiid’s position.

Plus Wiggins and 2 firsts remember. I guess it depends on the market for Simmons. Or a three way deal.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I'm not sure Simmons would be a bad fit. I could see him as a more talented version of Dray. In fact, he could allow Dray to come off the bench and/or play fewer minutes. Might extend his career a couple of seasons.

I think the bigger benefit would come in a separate deal in which they can part with Green and not lose the things he brings to the team. They get something else they value back for Green and get a younger version of Draymond with a potential upside being higher if Simmons can add to his existing game.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Plus Wiggins and 2 firsts remember. I guess it depends on the market for Simmons. Or a three way deal.

Wiggins is interesting but at the end of the day is another 3rd option guy on a good team and the Sixers already have that in Harris. And I don’t place much value in GS 1st rounders. They’ll probably come with lottery protection but would also likely come around 20 or later in the draft.

Edit: I forgot that they pick in the top ten this year.

 

[msgkings322]

I think the bigger benefit would come in a separate deal in which they can part with Green and not lose the things he brings to the team. They get something else they value back for Green and get a younger version of Draymond with a potential upside being higher if Simmons can add to his existing game.

See I just don't think they have any interest in trading any of their core 3. But what do I know?

 

[msgkings322]

Wiggins is interesting but at the end of the day is another 3rd option guy on a good team and the Sixers already have that in Harris. And I don’t place much value in GS 1st rounders. They’ll probably come with lottery protection but would also likely come around 20 or later in the draft.

Edit: I forgot that they pick in the top ten this year.

They have 7 and 14 in this draft to trade. Wiggins is arguably a better 2nd scoring option than Simmons and can shoot.

 

[fightinfunbags]

See I just don't think they have any interest in trading any of their core 3. But what do I know?

I can see that. Draymond brings a level of toughness and leadership that isn’t easily replaced and doesn’t necessarily show up in box scores either.

 

[fightinfunbags]

They have 7 and 14 in this draft to trade. Wiggins is arguably a better 2nd scoring option than Simmons and can shoot.

But that's because Simmons isn’t really a 2nd option. That’s why he’s likely being traded. So bringing back another guy who isn’t a 2nd option isn’t going to satisfy the itch that brings about the desire to trade Simmons.

 

[msgkings322]

I can see that. Draymond brings a level of toughness and leadership that isn’t easily replaced and doesn’t necessarily show up in box scores either.

Yep, he's so much more than his stats for THIS team. Not sure he has as much value on any other team.