2021 NBA Offseason

[dtgold88]

Is this a practice trial for these summer league announcers, this one woman talking has no idea what is going on in the game lol

only saw 4th qtr. of Cavs' game but was not a fan of her (or the other) at all.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Dude. I am not the one who doesn’t get it.

It isn’t about hypotheticals.

It is about what actually happened.

1 team aggressively dealt away their best players to improve lottery odds while the other just plain sucked.

Not similar.

the difference is- the Cavs were coming off of years of extraordinary success and having spent tons of cap room, tons of draft assets and were not developing young guys sicne vets were playing

the Sixers actually HAD assets because they were very mediocre to bad.

The Sixers started their tanking with actual assets. The Cavs had just watched LeBron leave and were coming off 4 years of nothing but going for it, spending more luxury tax money then half the NBA teams combined have ever spent in their histories, trading multiple first round draft picks, and playing vets at the expense of developing players- which is what you do when you are mediocre.

and i would say 4 straight Finals appearances and a title is "extraordinary success". To all but a handful of teams in the league that is better than what a lot of teams have done in their entire existence.

a mediocre Cavs team would certainly have continued to develop Joe Harris- but when you are all in- you dont have time to develop that type of guy.

 

[WiggyRuss]

only saw 4th qtr. of Cavs' game but was not a fan of her (or the other) at all.

gotta say- with the proverbial caveat- its just summer league- but Okoro looks bigger and stronger and like hes really developing. I have heard that in reports from team officials as well. When he started playing last December he was a 19 year old that was clueless- by the end he had like a 30 point game.

I will say without any reservation - id take Okoro over Wiseman EASILY right now. Not even a question.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I will say without any reservation - id take Okoro over Wiseman EASILY right now. Not even a question.

Wiggy taking a cavs player over a Warriors player?!?

 

[dtgold88]

gotta say- with the proverbial caveat- its just summer league- but Okoro looks bigger and stronger and like hes really developing. I have heard that in reports from team officials as well. When he started playing last December he was a 19 year old that was clueless- by the end he had like a 30 point game.

I will say without any reservation - id take Okoro over Wiseman EASILY right now. Not even a question.

I am not as confident as you but not a crazy notion. He's definitely bigger and had an NBA body last year it seemed. Looked like he handled the ball better and ran the offense, even though often double teamed (which wouldn't happen in real games). More aggressive and made shots.

But, yeah, of course the caveat of just Summer League. No doubt rather they look good than not. Mobley has struggled some with consistency of shot but am seeing what was said predraft about athleticism, defense, etc.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I am not as confident as you but not a crazy notion. He's definitely bigger and had an NBA body last year it seemed. Looked like he handled the ball better and ran the offense, even though often double teamed (which wouldn't happen in real games). More aggressive and made shots.

But, yeah, of course the caveat of just Summer League. No doubt rather they look good than not. Mobley has struggled some with consistency of shot but am seeing what was said predraft about athleticism, defense, etc.

Mobley looks smooth and i like his shot motion. He obviously has no clue what the NBA game is about yet- and needs to get a lot stronger. admittedly- bigs do take quite a while longer to develop than guards.

 

[dtgold88]

Mobley looks smooth and i like his shot motion. He obviously has no clue what the NBA game is about yet- and needs to get a lot stronger. admittedly- bigs do take quite a while longer to develop than guards.

Mention of shot motion is something I noticed yesterday. FTs I saw him take late was encouraging as not only did he knock them down but good form.

Figure he'll get stronger but I wonder if they also think he could be used as a really tall wing. Might just be comfortable at high elbow or even perimeter.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Mobley looks smooth and i like his shot motion. He obviously has no clue what the NBA game is about yet- and needs to get a lot stronger. admittedly- bigs do take quite a while longer to develop than guards.

Wiseman too or just Cavs big men?

 

[The Q]

the difference is- the Cavs were coming off of years of extraordinary success and having spent tons of cap room, tons of draft assets and were not developing young guys sicne vets were playing

the Sixers actually HAD assets because they were very mediocre to bad.

The Sixers started their tanking with actual assets. The Cavs had just watched LeBron leave and were coming off 4 years of nothing but going for it, spending more luxury tax money then half the NBA teams combined have ever spent in their histories, trading multiple first round draft picks, and playing vets at the expense of developing players- which is what you do when you are mediocre.

and i would say 4 straight Finals appearances and a title is "extraordinary success". To all but a handful of teams in the league that is better than what a lot of teams have done in their entire existence.

a mediocre Cavs team would certainly have continued to develop Joe Harris- but when you are all in- you dont have time to develop that type of guy.

what?

you started with a top 10 pick

you bungled the Russ smith contract

but you had a better head start than most rebuilding teams who just made the finals

 

[dtgold88]

what?

you started with a top 10 pick

you bungled the Russ smith contract

but you had a better head start than most rebuilding teams who just made the finals

Russ Smith? How did we have a "better head start"? Because we picked 8th in a draft where most thought the best players would be found in the top 5?

 

[tlance]

100%

two of the worst contracts in the league.

you can find a shooter for the mle.

stagger the minutes of Ben abs dray to some extent.

you get a 100k car for 10k, you do it and figure it out

That team would have 0% chance to win.

And again, you are way undervaluing Wiggins, and now Klay for the Warriors.

 

[tlance]

Yeah.......losing their 2 best draft pick for an entire season or even seasons didn't help at all, right? So, yeah, you don't get it.

No, also part of the process.

The held out Embiid and Simmons a lot longer than they needed to.

That is the one similarity they had with Cleveland.

 

[tlance]

the difference is- the Cavs were coming off of years of extraordinary success and having spent tons of cap room, tons of draft assets and were not developing young guys sicne vets were playing

the Sixers actually HAD assets because they were very mediocre to bad.

The Sixers started their tanking with actual assets. The Cavs had just watched LeBron leave and were coming off 4 years of nothing but going for it, spending more luxury tax money then half the NBA teams combined have ever spent in their histories, trading multiple first round draft picks, and playing vets at the expense of developing players- which is what you do when you are mediocre.

and i would say 4 straight Finals appearances and a title is "extraordinary success". To all but a handful of teams in the league that is better than what a lot of teams have done in their entire existence.

a mediocre Cavs team would certainly have continued to develop Joe Harris- but when you are all in- you dont have time to develop that type of guy.

Right.

So it was a much different process.

Like I have said all along.

 

[The Q]

Russ Smith? How did we have a "better head start"? Because we picked 8th in a draft where most thought the best players would be found in the top 5?

because what finals team that turns to a rebuild has a top 10 pick.

whcih was what he was trying to say

that’s a pretty major asset

 

[dtgold88]

No, also part of the process.

The held out Embiid and Simmons a lot longer than they needed to.

That is the one similarity they had with Cleveland.

I mean, they would not have taken a perfectly healthy Embiid for fear he'd play?

 

[The Q]

I mean, they would not have taken a perfectly healthy Embiid for fear he'd play?

If embiid was perfectly healthy he’d have gone 1-1

and if the cavs were smart, wouldn’t have included him in a love trade

 

[dtgold88]

because what finals team that turns to a rebuild has a top 10 pick.

whcih was what he was trying to say

that’s a pretty major asset

It was a "pretty major asset" if it were expected to be when acquired (top 3). But it wasn't. Luckily they made the most of it (or close to the most).

They also gave away many of their other assets in trying to keep winning titles.

 

[dtgold88]

If embiid was perfectly healthy he’d have gone 1-1

and if the cavs were smart, wouldn’t have included him in a love trade

Of course...but he wasn't. aAe you suggesting Philly only took him because they wanted an injured player who couldn't play, not because, ya know, they thought he'd be pretty good?

 

[The Q]

It was a "pretty major asset" if it were expected to be when acquired (top 3). But it wasn't. Luckily they made the most of it (or close to the most).

They also gave away many of their other assets in trying to keep winning titles.

a top 10 pick in a strong draft for a team who just went to the finals

let’s not pretend they had nothing to start with.

that’s a good start.

better than Philly

they just sold their pieces.

you guys still haven’t sold nance for example

 

[The Q]

Of course...but he wasn't. aAe you suggesting Philly only took him because they wanted an injured player who couldn't play, not because, ya know, they thought he'd be pretty good?

they saw a chance to get a top level 1-1 guy at 3 because of risky medicals.

it was a big gamble, but the upside was enormous, and worth it