2021-2022 NBA Season

[Shanemansj13]

Draymond looking like he just saw Beyonce

 

[dtgold88]

I never said quickly. You said that.

Before Cleveland? Yes. Quickly? Maybe, maybe not.

And I don’t know what you are talking about.

LeBron himself chose LA with honestly not all that much there. Then AD forced a trade and LA won a title a year and a half ago.

Is your memory that short?

don't remember exact words, but you sure implied it would happen sooner rather than later and when I asked why you said because of titles they won with guys who play no part in the current team.

Your other comments help make my point. Yes, Lebron chose LA......but still were 6 playoff-less seasons before they acquired him and in this discussion there is no Lebron to save them. In addition, AD chose Lebron, not LA.

So, again, what has this regime done to make you so confident they can turn things around quickly, soon, etc?

 

[dtgold88]

Fair enough. But I don't think we can say anymore that a city has some special advantage. Look at NYC for example. Honestly the best NBA city might be Miami on those metrics....no state tax, glamorous city, good weather

I can agree some cities could have a nice advantage....but not all have taken advantage of it.

 

[dtgold88]

The only one having a logic issue is you. The 6 years of no playoffs was mainly due to Short Buss. He was incompetent. Even a destination city isnt going to overcome incompetence in the FO. They got competence in the FO, they got Lebron. They traded for AD, which ate up a lot of cap space and ate up more when they extended him.

When your team is capped and they re-sign their own max level players, they don't typically have cap space to sign more max level players. So your...they havent brought in any elite FAs makes no more sense than when folks would make the same dumb argument when the Lakers would use up their cap space re-signing Shaq and Kobe and re-signing Gasol and Kobe.

That he has made the moves, getting the AD trade done, getting AD re-signed and building the rest of a roster that won a title in 2020 makes me think he can do it quickly. It wont happen in one off-season, but it will happen a lot faster than when Short Buss tried. At the least, he seems to understand that it is no longer as simple as...We are the Lakers, here is the contract, here is a pen, sign here.

Cannot say I follow them that closely, but wasn't he the one who brought in Ingram, Ball and Randle (or at least 1-2 of them)?

rest of your comment makes zero sense (yes, it's you). when Lebron leaves again, likely they will have cap issues like every team after Lebron leaves since they are trying to win with him. It's a fact LA went 6 years with no playoffs......... also a fact they needed Lebron to end the drought. also a fact they had room for another max guy and none would come......also a fact the guy who would come wanted Lebron, not LA.

so, once again, (tith no more Lebron or guys wanting to play with Lebron) why are you so confident this regime can turn things around sooner rather than later?

Kind of funny you rip short Buss when he was the one who had to deal with cap issues....not Pelinka.

 

[dtgold88]

both Cavs and Raptors are decimated by Covid. Would be a good win for the Cavs to get though.

Guys should be back in the next week or so

i dont know if they will be back for Thursday/Friday vs. the Hawks/Wiz.......but certainly soon after that.

I really hope Okoro and Mobley are back by Thursday.....Allen prob. not. Okoro and Mobley have a chance to be back I think.

any win is good, but Toronto was beyond decimated I have to admit.

That said, the cavs did what they should in that situation. Other teams let decimated teams hang or even win those games.

Guessing Okoro for sure by Thurs and maybe Tues. allen/Mobley maybe by Friday but Sunday could be more likely. Just guessing.

 

[WiggyRuss]

any win is good, but Toronto was beyond decimated I have to admit.

That said, the cavs did what they should in that situation. Other teams let decimated teams hang or even win those games.

Guessing Okoro for sure by Thurs and maybe Tues. allen/Mobley maybe by Friday but Sunday could be more likely. Just guessing.

it seems like even when guys get out of protocol that they are keeping guys out a little longer- another 4-7 days to get them in better shape and ready to play.

its why at this point I dont give much hope for Mobley for another week. Maybe Allen since he is more of a vet but still young.

 

[trojanfan12]

Cannot say I follow them that closely, but wasn't he the one who brought in Ingram, Ball and Randle (or at least 1-2 of them)?

He and Magic brought in Lonzo Ball. All of the other youngsters were already there.

rest of your comment makes zero sense (yes, it's you). when Lebron leaves again, likely they will have cap issues like every team after Lebron leaves since they are trying to win with him. It's a fact LA went 6 years with no playoffs......... also a fact they needed Lebron to end the drought. also a fact they had room for another max guy and none would come......also a fact the guy who would come wanted Lebron, not LA.

so, once again, (tith no more Lebron or guys wanting to play with Lebron) why are you so confident this regime can turn things around sooner rather than later?

Your inability to understand is a you problem.

Kind of funny you rip short Buss when he was the one who had to deal with cap issues....not Pelinka.

Short Buss created the cap issues by grossly overpaying Mozgov and Deng in an attempt to get the Lakers to the playoffs and save his own job.

Pelinka was able to get rid of Mozgov's contract, but had to stretch Deng which part of how they created the space to get Lebron.

 

[WiggyRuss]

He and Magic brought in Lonzo Ball. All of the other youngsters were already there.



Your inability to understand is a you problem.



Short Buss created the cap issues by grossly overpaying Mozgov and Deng in an attempt to get the Lakers to the playoffs and save his own job.

Pelinka was able to get rid of Mozgov's contract, but had to stretch Deng which part of how they created the space to get Lebron.

the thing is- you are even seeing it now.

The Lakers just traded for RW. They dealt for Davis.

Trading for DAvis mortgaged a ton of young players and picks.

Trading for RW ruined their cap space for this offseason.

Trading for RW brought on salary in a way where the Lakers were unwilling to pay Caruso.

Those are costs that are going to be born down the road and limit the Lakers down the road. These are issues that would not have existed way back when- the team could just outspend everyone- and that is no longer the case because A. other teams have a ton of money too now, and B. There is a salary cap, max contracts , etc.

 

[dtgold88]

Rubio has brought a lot to the Cavs- not the least of which is leadership- and an ability to settle things down and get guys in their spots when things start going bad...

but dude is taking 12 shots a game and shooting 35%......gotta do better than that. Him and Markkenen are about tied for 2nd most FGA's per game on the whole team. MArkkenen at 40% from the field at 32% from 3 aint much better.

maybe give Jarret Allen another shot or two instead of Rubio clanging bricks all the time.

all in all- there 2nd and 3rd highest field goal attemptors are shooting terrible- which actually gives the Cavs some room to get better.

so true. I love Rubio as a backup PG but gets way more credit than he deserves at times. Like we'd be better with him instead of sexton? Or he's why Garland has continued to improve.

Does Garland learn some things from him? Probably, but he made huge strides last year and were some players who said he'd be an all star before knowing we'd get Rubio. Also like being able to use him at PG instead of Sexton and we'd be Fd if we didn't have him after losing Sexton.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I mean RIGHT NOW the Lakers are 4th in spending in the NBA.

The Clippers are 3rd. At what time in NBA history have the Clippers ever had the resources to spend with, or MORE than the Lakers?

the Bucks are #5--- $5 million less than the Lakers. There has been no time in NBA history beside the last few years where MILWAUKEE could spend with the Los Angeles Lakers.

Utah is 6th!

 

[shopson67]

Upside rarely materializes in players with low basketball IQs.

And if they are going to choose, (they should have kept both) then the contending team should always pick the established good player over the one with untapped upside.

Because THT’s upside isn’t super high. We aren’t talking about a future franchise player type here.

So good luck with that decision.

You're leaving out the Lebron factor. He was at least partially the reason they drafted THT. Besides, the kid just turned 21 last week and is being played out of position (should be backing up Lebron IMO). Caruso is almost 28 already, of course he's a more complete player. Reaves was doing decently in the Caruso role already before his injury and protocol issues.

 

[WiggyRuss]

so true. I love Rubio as a backup PG but gets way more credit than he deserves at times. Like we'd be better with sexton instead of him? Or he's why Garland has continued to improve.

Does Garland learn some things from him? Probably, but he made huge strides last year and were some players who said he'd be an all star before knowing we'd get Rubio. Also like being able to use him at PG instead of Sexton and we'd be Fd if we didn't have him after losing Sexton.

right.

They cant lose Sexton and Rubio or they will need to replace at least one of them with a strong player.

 

[WiggyRuss]

You're leaving out the Lebron factor. He was at least partially the reason they drafted THT. Besides, the kid just turned 21 last week and is being played out of position (should be backing up Lebron IMO). Caruso is almost 28 already, of course he's a more complete player. Reaves was doing decently in the Caruso role already before his injury and protocol issues.

well Caruso and Reeves are a lot different players.

Reeves is a 3 pt shooter that will hang out on the 3 pt. line and doesnt have great athleticism for defense.

Caruso is an athletic defender/slasher that can get up and down the court- that is leading the league in steals and will be at LEAST 2nd team NBA All Defense this year.

Reeves can definitely fill a needed role around LeBron- a spot up 3 point shooter that spaces. But you need at least a good defensive wing or two to balance that out. And that is what the Lakers are lacking in a big way. LeBron can play D, but cant do it at the same level, or for as long, as he used to.

 

[dtgold88]

He and Magic brought in Lonzo Ball. All of the other youngsters were already there.



Your inability to understand is a you problem.



Short Buss created the cap issues by grossly overpaying Mozgov and Deng in an attempt to get the Lakers to the playoffs and save his own job.

Pelinka was able to get rid of Mozgov's contract, but had to stretch Deng which part of how they created the space to get Lebron.

I'd say your ability to avoid answering direct questions is on you (and irrational, in general). Still no answer why you'd have so much faith in Pelinka building without Lebron when pretty much all his success was because of Lebron?

Also traded Clarkson and Nance for that second FA....who they could never sign.

Not sure who you are saying was responsible for picking Ingram or Randle.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I'd say your ability to avoid answering direct questions is on you (and irrational, in general). Still no answer why you'd have so much faith in Pelinka building without Lebron when pretty much all his success was because of Lebron?

Also traded Clarkson and Nance for that second FA....who they could never sign.

Not sure who you are saying was responsible for picking Ingram or Randle.

when you really look at it....LeBron decided to go to LA...his family lived there, etc....and then, surprise surprise.....Clutch client Anthony Davis demanded a trade to the Lakers 3 months later- said he would re-sign nowhere else- a move was made that costed the Lakers Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, and multiple 1st round picks and pick swaps.

If Pelinka has made one signature move that was actually in his hands- it was the Westbrook trade.

 

[dtgold88]

when you really look at it....LeBron decided to go to LA...his family lived there, etc....and then, surprise surprise.....Clutch client Anthony Davis demanded a trade to the Lakers 3 months later- said he would re-sign nowhere else- a move was made that costed the Lakers Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, and multiple 1st round picks and pick swaps.

If Pelinka has made one signature move that was actually in his hands- it was the Westbrook trade.

had room for another max guy and couldn't get it done.

 

[WiggyRuss]

had room for another max guy and couldn't get it done.

everyone in the league was terrified Kawhi would go there.

Thank goodness he said no....all though his injuries would be their own issue now.

 

[tlance]

don't remember exact words, but you sure implied it would happen sooner rather than later and when I asked why you said because of titles they won with guys who play no part in the current team.

Your other comments help make my point. Yes, Lebron chose LA......but still were 6 playoff-less seasons before they acquired him and in this discussion there is no Lebron to save them. In addition, AD chose Lebron, not LA.

So, again, what has this regime done to make you so confident they can turn things around quickly, soon, etc?

Sooner rather than later as in sooner than most NBA cities.

That is all I meant. Not that it would happen within a few years.

And what they have done is play their home games in the Forum while proving not completely incompetent.

While a franchise like Cleveland needs to do almost everything right, that is all that is required in LA.

Don’t suck.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Sooner rather than later as in sooner than most NBA cities.

That is all I meant. Not that it would happen within a few years.

And what they have done is play their home games in the Forum while proving not completely incompetent.

While a franchise like Cleveland needs to do almost everything right, that is all that is required in LA.

Don’t suck.

probably yes- 20 years ago. and certainly 40 years ago. Today- definitely not.

as I said- they used to have 5-6 arrows in their quiver that were advantages. They are down to 1 or 2 now.

that and- if i was a player id be hesitant to give up 13.4% of my salary to state income tax. Especially if I could play in Dallas or Miami and pay 0.0%.

 

[tlance]

I'd say your ability to avoid answering direct questions is on you (and irrational, in general). Still no answer why you'd have so much faith in Pelinka building without Lebron when pretty much all his success was because of Lebron?

Also traded Clarkson and Nance for that second FA....who they could never sign.

Not sure who you are saying was responsible for picking Ingram or Randle.

He did answer the question. You just didn’t like his answer.

The confidence that @trojanfan12 and I have in the Lakers has nothing at all to do with Pelinka.

Pelinka just has to prove he isn’t a total ass clown and players will look at the Lakers.

Jury is still out on that at the moment.