2020 Patriots News

[NWPATSFAN]

Dead on, in my opinion. His drive was what took him to the top. Once he "arrived" He lost his drive.
It's hard to sing the blues when you are a millionaire.....

Yeah but his numbers and ability to cover dropped before he got paid. I don't think it's the same as a guy gets his big pay day and losses his hunger. Butler just wasn't that good. Getting paid could attribute to his even more lack of production in Tenn? Or it could be the system?

Does NE go for a CB in this draft? If so any ideas who? Or what round would you like to see them use a pick on a DB? Just trying to keep the peace. Don't won't to offend anyone here.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

Does NE go for a CB in this draft? If so any ideas who? Or what round would you like to see them use a pick on a DB? Just trying to keep the peace. Don't won't to offend anyone here.

Was just discussing this earlier today in the draft thread. Might need to replace any or all of Gilmore, Jackson, both McCourtys and Chung next year and the DB talent probably lines up better with their early picks than the big 2020 “need“ positions. Could def see an early pick or two go that way.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Was just discussing this earlier today in the draft thread. Might need to replace any or all of Gilmore, Jackson, both McCourtys and Chung next year and the DB talent probably lines up better with their early picks than the big 2020 “need“ positions. Could def see an early pick or two go that way.

Yeah I gave my worth.

I don't disagree with the points you made. I just think there isn't that lock down guy in this draft. The talent level say between the #2 draft prospect and #10 isn't that great. So I think NE can wait and get a DB a little later.

having said that, in other posts I've also said I think BB goes heavy on the D this year? I think he's uncertain where the O can take them? So building a strong D may keep him in and win a few games?

 

[BigKen]

This is not a good DB draft.

I have the patriots in a SportsHoopla draft and tried to make my own list of the top 10 players in each position.

If you eliminate players under 5'11" at CB and 5'11" at S, things begin to thin out very quickly. I can't see a 5'9" 182 lb. Safety trying to cover Julio Jones over the top or even Jarvis Landry.

The CB position will get pick like bone quick. After the top four or five, the best of rest Carmon Dantzler (Miss St), AJ Terrell (Clem), Reggie Robinson (Tulsa), Lamar Jackson (Neb) and Stanford Samuels (FL St).

Safeties are even less solid. Delpit (LSU), Chin (So Ill), JR Reed (GEO), Curl (Ark) and Stone (Iowa).

I don't think any one of the above is even close to first round consideration.

I took Tee Higgins 6'4" 220 WR from Clemson with #23. Now I'll have to wait until Saturday or Sunday before I get to make my three picks in Round 3.

 

[nefansince75]

Blasphemy, of course I'm right! As well as anyone who agrees with me

As for hitting and missing on UDFAs or even high drafted players. If you throw enough balls in the air eventually you'll catch one. But no doubt BB and co. have been able to find their fair share of players that were looked over. To include aging vets.

You hit the nail on the head WRT grading players. It's all subjective. To include the Approximate Value which has a bunch of so called experts who use their personal scale to grade someone, then pass it onto a bunch of other retired coaches or whomever who subjectively offer their perspective to grade the value a players worth.

I am an eye test person first. I just got tired of watching Butler get burned. The number of TDs he gave up and him constantly chasing a WR is what my eyes saw.

After the eye test I like the old ask 10 guys in a bar what they saw. This is more used in the argument of was it a catch or wasn't it? Or was it a penalty or not?

A final thought on Butler which kind of explains the results you described.

He was a scrapper with a quick twitch that reacted well. He did what he was told and did that well. Suddenly he tries to be an elite CB and do things an elite CB does and is now a different player. He tries to play for ints instead of just letting the ints come to him. He believes he's disrespected and is better than he's being treated so he stops listening to coaches. Suddenly he's not playing with his strengths, but is playing what he wants to show, which is what he perceives are his strengths but are actually his weaknesses.

 

[BigKen]

Seems that no one heard the Brady-Howard Stern interview yesterday or no one wants to talk about it.

Brady said outright. "I froze out certain wide receivers. There were some guys I just didn't trust. Right or wrong, I wouldn't throw to them, even if they were wide open."

I guess that answers a lot of questions we had about "why" certain guys were wide open and Brady would throw to triple covered Gronk or Edelman.

He also said, "I didn't feel that I had input into certain personnel situations and when I said something it was ignored ."

Sorry Tom, but your not a coach. You are a player and just because you thought one way, BB and Josh are the guys responsible for putting the best team on the field.

So Brady is pretty much telling the world that if BB or Josh didn't do what he wanted, he'd ignore receivers. Say what you will, but Tommy isn't endearing himself to the guys he left behind. Not that it matters, but other players may take offense to that attitude. He better hope that he has a better LT than Newsome in Tampa.

 

[nefansince75]

Seems that no one heard the Brady-Howard Stern interview yesterday or no one wants to talk about it.

Brady said outright. "I froze out certain wide receivers. There were some guys I just didn't trust. Right or wrong, I wouldn't throw to them, even if they were wide open."

I guess that answers a lot of questions we had about "why" certain guys were wide open and Brady would throw to triple covered Gronk or Edelman.

He also said, "I didn't feel that I had input into certain personnel situations and when I said something it was ignored ."

Sorry Tom, but your not a coach. You are a player and just because you thought one way, BB and Josh are the guys responsible for putting the best team on the field.

So Brady is pretty much telling the world that if BB or Josh didn't do what he wanted, he'd ignore receivers. Say what you will, but Tommy isn't endearing himself to the guys he left behind. Not that it matters, but other players may take offense to that attitude. He better hope that he has a better LT than Newsome in Tampa.

What he says after the fact is distilled and could be as much a self reflection as anything else. Just because he said he did something does not mean it was 100% cognitively on purpose.

The funny part is he's confirming what many of have been saying the past couple seasons, especially last year. I'll say it again.... I especially wish he gave Meyers a chance. Maybe he was a training camp champ, but we'll have to wait and see.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Who gives a flying fuck he's gone now, he helped this team get six Lombardi's and not assholes want to pick apart what he's said and done fuck them too. Bitches weren't whining when we were winning, fucking turncoats.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Who gives a flying fuck he's gone now, he helped this team get six Lombardi's and not assholes want to pick apart what he's said and done fuck them too. Bitches weren't whining when we were winning, fucking turncoats.

He was also using all his receivers, TEs, RBs and eligible noneligible Linemen when they were winning those championships.

I hope we've heard that last of it? He's really starting to sound like a little bitch who didn't get what he wanted so he took his ball and went home.

 

[BigKen]

I hope we've heard that last of it? He's really starting to sound like a little bitch who didn't get what he wanted so he took his ball and went home.

Every media outlet is using snippets of the interview. If they want to make a point, they use a sentence or two. This is the way things are done and unless you hear the entire interview, you can't understand how it got to the point where Brady said what he said.

One particular thing he said has been going round and round in my head because I wasn't putting 2 + 2 together and coming up with 4. He said that he "knew" that 2019 was his last year in June because the Patriots would not consider giving him a contract equal to Drew Brees (2 yrs $50M). We all heard stories that the Patriots offered him a multi-year contract back then and through the season, but that Brady turned it down. That was media hype and they were feeding us BS because they wanted to be able to say that they pressured the Patriots into resigning Brady long term (Phil Perry being honest).

When you really sit back and honestly assess Brady's performance in 2019, he's pretty much saying that he was very unhappy with his treatment. That he wasn't given what he wanted and felt disrespected. It affected his attitude and performance. I think it was not only team destructive, but it was also self-destructive.

You can say or think whatever you want, but when you have a negative attitude you don't put 100% into your work. If you think that you or anyone else can be fully productive when they know they are leaving a workplace, you're lying to yourself as well as everyone else. Brady had to be thinking the entire year that he would be playing somewhere else and he'd "Show them that he was worth what he wanted and that he could play better than they thought."

My guess is that Brady will be driven like he was in 2014 after he came back from being suspended and tore the league apart. One thing that he does have is an inner drive unlike anything ever seen in professional sports. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Buccaneers in the Super Bowl.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Every media outlet is using snippets of the interview. If they want to make a point, they use a sentence or two. This is the way things are done and unless you hear the entire interview, you can't understand how it got to the point where Brady said what he said.

One particular thing he said has been going round and round in my head because I wasn't putting 2 + 2 together and coming up with 4. He said that he "knew" that 2019 was his last year in June because the Patriots would not consider giving him a contract equal to Drew Brees (2 yrs $50M). We all heard stories that the Patriots offered him a multi-year contract back then and through the season, but that Brady turned it down. That was media hype and they were feeding us BS because they wanted to be able to say that they pressured the Patriots into resigning Brady long term (Phil Perry being honest).

When you really sit back and honestly assess Brady's performance in 2019, he's pretty much saying that he was very unhappy with his treatment. That he wasn't given what he wanted and felt disrespected. It affected his attitude and performance. I think it was not only team destructive, but it was also self-destructive.

You can say or think whatever you want, but when you have a negative attitude you don't put 100% into your work. If you think that you or anyone else can be fully productive when they know they are leaving a workplace, you're lying to yourself as well as everyone else. Brady had to be thinking the entire year that he would be playing somewhere else and he'd "Show them that he was worth what he wanted and that he could play better than they thought."

My guess is that Brady will be driven like he was in 2014 after he came back from being suspended and tore the league apart. One thing that he does have is an inner drive unlike anything ever seen in professional sports. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Buccaneers in the Super Bowl.

It's going to be fun to see what he can do this year. You may be right?

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Who gives a flying fuck he's gone now, he helped this team get six Lombardi's and not assholes want to pick apart what he's said and done fuck them too. Bitches weren't whining when we were winning, fucking turncoats.

TB was a big part of the Boston and New England Sports scene. His leaving IS a big story.

Nationally.

If you don't like it, don't fucking read it, don't fucking listen to it, don't fucking watch it.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Seems that no one heard the Brady-Howard Stern interview yesterday or no one wants to talk about it.

Brady said outright. "I froze out certain wide receivers. There were some guys I just didn't trust. Right or wrong, I wouldn't throw to them, even if they were wide open."

I guess that answers a lot of questions we had about "why" certain guys were wide open and Brady would throw to triple covered Gronk or Edelman.

He also said, "I didn't feel that I had input into certain personnel situations and when I said something it was ignored ."

Sorry Tom, but your not a coach. You are a player and just because you thought one way, BB and Josh are the guys responsible for putting the best team on the field.

So Brady is pretty much telling the world that if BB or Josh didn't do what he wanted, he'd ignore receivers. Say what you will, but Tommy isn't endearing himself to the guys he left behind. Not that it matters, but other players may take offense to that attitude. He better hope that he has a better LT than Newsome in Tampa.

There was a WR a couple of years ago that was WIDE OPEN for a damn near sure thing TD and TB threw it somewhere else and ended up punting. When TB came back to the Bench there was a ruckus with Skippy, and I remember TB screaming at him, "Of Course I saw that he was open".
Makes me wonder how many games were lost due to that arrogance.

 

[cheerupcharlie]

Brady is Brady. I don’t see a good year at all. He needs repetition and report with his WR’s. He won’t have any of that. You can have all the inner drive and determination you want. But if you don’t have the skill set, it won’t matter. His play has been going south for years. Sorry, it isn’t going to get better.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

I didn't think it was Cooks. I guess.

 

[YankeeRebel]

TB was a big part of the Boston and New England Sports scene. His leaving IS a big story.

Nationally.

If you don't like it, don't fucking read it, don't fucking listen to it, don't fucking watch it.

Yeah we are all aware that Captain Ass Hat..... Read what the fuck I wrote. I basically said anyone picking him apart now is a turncoat. Rinse Wash Repeat if you don't understand that!!!

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Yeah we are all aware that Captain Ass Hat..... Read what the fuck I wrote. I basically said anyone picking him apart now is a turncoat. Rinse Wash Repeat if you don't understand that!!!

Sure thing corporal shit bag. He's doing things and revealing thing that changes people's opinions of him.
They are voicing or writing those opinions.

If you don't want to know anybodies opinion on anything, a public internet forum is probably a pretty good place to get your panties all wadded up in there.

 

[nefansince75]

One thing that he does have is an inner drive unlike anything ever seen in professional sports.

Michael Jordan says "Did you forget about me?"

 

[BigKen]

There was a WR a couple of years ago that was WIDE OPEN for a damn near sure thing TD and TB threw it somewhere else and ended up punting. When TB came back to the Bench there was a ruckus with Skippy, and I remember TB screaming at him, "Of Course I saw that he was open".
Makes me wonder how many games were lost due to that arrogance.

I was watching some of the games from 2014 the other day and he was ignoring Brandon LaFell for a few games and even ignored Amendola when Vareen was a better option to him. LaFell had dropped a couple of balls in earlier games and Brady was looking elsewhere.

Last year he Jackoby Meters wide open at the five and threw it at Edelman in the EZ and it was knocked down. and the pats punted. It was as if the defense knew he wasn't going to throw it to anyone else.

I'd guess that QBs across the league do the same thing if someone drops a pass on them. Brady does it when someone screws up a pass route.

 

[nefansince75]

Yeah we are all aware that Captain Ass Hat..... Read what the fuck I wrote. I basically said anyone picking him apart now is a turncoat. Rinse Wash Repeat if you don't understand that!!!

Sure thing corporal shit bag. He's doing things and revealing thing that changes people's opinions of him.
They are voicing or writing those opinions.

If you don't want to know anybodies opinion on anything, a public internet forum is probably a pretty good place to get your panties all wadded up in there.

All this time I thought you two were the same. I guess I have a hard time reading anything past "Yankee"...