2020 HOF ballot

[ChiSoxFan]

First timers in bold.



Bobby Abreu
Josh Beckett
Heath Bell
Barry Bonds
Eric Chávez
Roger Clemens
Adam Dunn
Chone Figgins
Rafael Furcal
Jason Giambi
Todd Helton
Raúl Ibañez
Derek Jeter
Andruw Jones
Jeff Kent
Paul Konerko
Cliff Lee
Carlos Peña
Brad Penny
Andy Pettitte
J.J. Putz
Manny Ramírez
Brian Roberts
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Alfonso Soriano
Sammy Sosa
José Valverde
Omar Vizquel
Billy Wagner
Larry Walker

Konerko is a first timer as well.

 

[ChiSoxFan]

Adam Dunn: the white Ryan Howard

Remember that year Dunn’s Posse had video game Jeter in the DLFL? Those were the days.

 

[GNG]

Former Brewers catcher Ted Simmons elected to Hall of Fame by veterans committee

 

[kburjr]

Former Brewers catcher Ted Simmons elected to Hall of Fame by veterans committee

Although he played 5 years with the Brewers, I'll always look at him as a Cardinal.

 

[Baseballboy]

The public (in general) has put the "steroid era" in the rear window and rightly so as at the time the rules were not stiff enough or in place and needed to develop over the decades. This allows the baseball world to now focus more on the astonishing achievements of these two greats as opposed to their misuse of steroids during a time without a proper system. IMO Clemens & Bonds are slam dunk HOFer's.

Sosa on the other hand was a truly loved player who was winning over the nation during the home run derby times with McGuire but tarnished his legacy the day he broke that bat and revealed his home run power in the form of a very much cheating corked bat, ending any shot as a creditable player let alone a HOFer.

 

[nynasty]

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx...003&ithint=file,xlsx&authkey=!ALD8BEbKmTajwcI

 

[Cedrique]

The public (in general) has put the "steroid era" in the rear window and rightly so as at the time the rules were not stiff enough or in place and needed to develop over the decades. This allows the baseball world to now focus more on the astonishing achievements of these two greats as opposed to their misuse of steroids during a time without a proper system. IMO Clemens & Bonds are slam dunk HOFer's.

Sosa on the other hand was a truly loved player who was winning over the nation during the home run derby times with McGuire but tarnished his legacy the day he broke that bat and revealed his home run power in the form of a very much cheating corked bat, ending any shot as a creditable player let alone a HOFer.

I'm not sure how much they are taking the corked bat into consideration. I think a problem with Sosa is he needed those 5 years of video game numbers to give his overall career borderline HOF credentials. The 609 home runs sticks out, but outside of those 5 or 6 years there are a lot of hollow numbers around his home runs.

And if the current trend with all of the home runs continues I think the voters might start moving the goalposts on those automatic hall of fame numbers on some of the counting stats. Look at the home run leaders of the 60's. Some of those years you'd have like Mays,Aaron and Killebrew, or maybe 2 of those guys with a McCovey mixed in with 40+ hrs, then 7or 8 guys in the 30's. Last year 58 players hit 30+ home runs.

 

[navamind]

2020 BBHOF Tracker.xlsm - Microsoft Excel Online

Have a feeling it will be Jeter/Schilling/Walker and Bonds/Clemens fall just short.

 

[nynasty]

Have a feeling it will be Jeter/Schilling/Walker and Bonds/Clemens fall just short.

Looks like Jeter and Walker are locks.

Interesting comment on Schilling from Thibodaux:


Schilling needs to flip 50-something nos to yesses. Through almost 1/6th of the voting, he has seen 4 voters flip to yes but also lost one. He's net +3. As with every year and almost every candidate, beware early vote %s. They lie! That's why we focus so much on the +1s and -1s.

 

[Cedrique]

Looks like Jeter and Walker are locks.

Interesting comment on Schilling from Thibodaux:


Schilling needs to flip 50-something nos to yesses. Through almost 1/6th of the voting, he has seen 4 voters flip to yes but also lost one. He's net +3. As with every year and almost every candidate, beware early vote %s. They lie! That's why we focus so much on the +1s and -1s.

It's amazing how much Larry Walker has improved in the last 2 years.

 

[Voltaire26]

Have a feeling it will be Jeter/Schilling/Walker and Bonds/Clemens fall just short.

Jeter and Walker have a lower WAR than "Sweet" Lou Whitaker. Whitaker (who garnered 2.9% of the vote) was part of the most prolific double play combination in the history of Major League Baseball. Why should they be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

[navamind]

Jeter and Walker have a lower WAR than "Sweet" Lou Whitaker. Whitaker (who garnered 2.9% of the vote) was part of the most prolific double play combination in the history of Major League Baseball. Why should they be elected to the Hall of Fame?

this shtick is getting tiresome. I agree Whitaker should be in, but just because the writers/era committee made a wrong doesn't mean they shouldn't be elected. Besides, Whitaker only had 2.4 more WAR than Walker despite having 1937 more plate appearances. Whitaker had more longevity, but I'd argue that Walker's peak was better.

 

[navamind]

and if we're going to dwell on superior players getting left out, then no one should be inducted into the HOF until Bonds and Clemens are in.

 

[Voltaire26]

and if we're going to dwell on superior players getting left out, then no one should be inducted into the HOF until Bonds and Clemens are in.

I agree 100%!!! MLB loved steroids, the massive amount of home runs put baseball back on the map. I'm not even pissed about Jeter, he would be a first ballot for me. All that has nothing to do with Whitaker. I will give him props every time he is ignored by the Hall of Fame. A completely honorable man, and outstanding player. I never even remembering him arguing with an umpire.

 

[Cedrique]

Jeter and Walker have a lower WAR than "Sweet" Lou Whitaker. Whitaker (who garnered 2.9% of the vote) was part of the most prolific double play combination in the history of Major League Baseball. Why should they be elected to the Hall of Fame?

He did have a pretty tough draw for his first year on the ballot.
2001 Hall of Fame Voting | Baseball-Reference.com

I would have had him on my ballot along with Carter, Winfield, Blyleven, maybe Hernandez

 

[nynasty]

Through 96 ballots

Jeter 100%

Walker 87.5%

Schilling 81.3%

Bonds 76%

Clemens 76%

 

[kburjr]

"Shoeless" Joe or go home.

 

[navamind]

Rolen won't make it this year, but at least it looks like he's going to make some serious progress (Thib's HOF tracker currently has him at 49.3% after getting 17.2% last year). It'll probably finish closer to 40% than 50%, but that's still a big jump.

 

[tducey]

Jeter is a lock to get in IMO, I think Walker will be close.

 

[navamind]

Today's the day. Projections seem to have Walker falling a few votes short.