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i believe bevell and cable were so bad anyone would do a better job, i said this repeatedly.

schottenheimer was an extremely uninspired hiring, i wasnt excited about it but the guy did a better job hands down.

solari was a homerun, we are lucky he was even available. but had bevell somehow kept his job, i think the solari addition would have been largely negated.

now, by all means please tell me what you think will happen in detroit.
 

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now, by all means please tell me what you think will happen in detroit.

How Bevell does in Detroit has no bearing on what he accomplished in Seattle. So, it's a moot point to the discussion.

Besides, even if he does well in Detroit, it's not like you will ever change your tune about him. So, what's the point? We'll just have this same conversation about how he did in Detroit - and I really couldn't care less about the Lions. So, no, I'm not making any blind prediction on what Bevell can accomplish with another team that I don't follow, just so you can bury your head in the sand if I'm correct, or gloat if Bevell doesn't succeed. I do wish him all the luck in his new post, and if Seattle faces him while he's there, I hope the Hawks defense shuts his offense down.
 

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All, no. Most - sure. Wilson has more time to throw. RBs have holes to run though. Sounds like the things every offense needs to be successful. Good for them. The difference from the 13th best offense and the 6th best offense is a competent line. Go figure.

So, in your mind, Bevell and Cable were the entire problem, but Schottenheimer and Solari weren't the solution. Nice logic there.
I mean to be fair we are trying to argue with a guy who calls himself mr snuggles for fucks sake. We aren't dealing with a genius.

Schneider and Carroll were pawns to Bevell. All things, or at least every damned wrong thing, that happened on that offense were his doing, and his doing alone. Well except Cable wasn't good either, but even Cable was Bevell's fault. Can't even blame Carroll or Schneider for either hiring Bevell, or if he really was that bad, keeping him for all those years. Nope. Bevell had something on them. Must be the answer. He really is the only bad thing that has ever happened to this team.

Players never fail in a play, every bad play is purely the wrong call. It's up to the OC to know when a player is going to drop a pass, blow a block, or cause a stupid penalty. If you call the right play those things simply never happen.

You can't reach these people. They lack critical thinking.
 

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You know what one of the biggest changes was in our redzone offense? they could run it in from the 1 yard line. Yes we had marshawn but he was never great at running the ball in from the 1. With a better oline i think he WOULD have been great from the 1.

from article 2015 "Over his career, Lynch has had 36 carries from the opponent’s 1-yard line. More often than not, he didn’t reach the end zone. He scored on 15 of those carries, or 41.7 percent of the time. On 12 of those carries, he did not gain a yard. On nine of them, he lost yardage."

"How do Lynch’s numbers from the 1 stack up against other running backs in the league? Not all that great. “Among 39 running backs with at least 10 carries from the 1-yard line in the past 5 seasons (incl. playoffs), Lynch’s touchdown percentage (45 percent) ranks 30th,” reports ESPN Stats and Info."

How could someone that was such a beast be so bad from the 1? Oline, it is all compacted at the one and you need push with Cable the oline was one of the worst rush blocking and pass blocking teams on the planet. Like it or not Had he got Solari type performance from them then Bevells numbers as a OC would have been a lot better. There is no give or take here it's true hard facts.

The Offense looked well this season but they finished 10-6. They were in tight games and had to score where as from 2012-2016 i would say we saw this team SITTING on 10-14 point leads AFTER halftime. It use to drive me INSANE! Thats why you always hear me saying this team needs to learn to put their foots on other teams throats! This season there was very little "sitting" on leads lmao but a lot of trying to catch up/take the lead back and forth type games. I am sorry but the play calling we saw this year was a joke and they took the ball out of Wilsons hands way to much WAY TO MUCH!

There was a article talking about the Hawks success and they had more success when they went Pass Run Pass or Pass Run Run than they did Run Run Pass yet they lead the league with Run Run Pass play calling. Why? because you are getting Wilson involved earlier and thats when he plays his best. The play calling this season was not flexible at all and cost this team games. This team was more predictable than ever before but thankfully they had success because of the Oline just being much better. The Hawks Oline is middle of the pack now not bottom of the NFL.
 

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What the Championship games showed the league yesterday is that PK's have become an important part of the game if teams want to advance far in the playoffs. The greg zuerlein kick yesterday would've been good from 65 yards.

The last two seasons the Hawks have been plagued with poor PK's performances since Hauschka left so it should be one of the important needs for this offseason.

They were plagued with poor PK performances in Hauschka's last year as well.
 

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What the Championship games showed the league yesterday is that PK's have become an important part of the game if teams want to advance far in the playoffs. The greg zuerlein kick yesterday would've been good from 65 yards.

The last two seasons the Hawks have been plagued with poor PK's performances since Hauschka left so it should be one of the important needs for this offseason.
And I think this is another thing (in additional to penalty reviews) that the league needs to fix. The longer XP made kickers more important, and I think that's a mistake. I want less games decided by kickers, not more. If my team is down by 7 with a minute left and the QB takes them on a game-tying 80 yard TD drive, the touchdown should be the headline of that story and not whether a specialist makes the 33 yard 1 point kick. I know the league's rationale for making it longer was that such a high percentage of the 19 yarders were made that it was a waste of time. Well, if it's time they are concerned about then just make a TD 7 points and go to commercial. Or if they want to go for 2, give them 6 and then line it up.

But in terms of our needs, sure, kicker is probably on the list. Seabass is a FA anyway as soon as the new league year starts, and given his age and the injury on his final kick, it was probably a long shot he would come back even if we thought he had a strong season.
 

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I mean to be fair we are trying to argue with a guy who calls himself mr snuggles for fucks sake. We aren't dealing with a genius.

uh oh looks like you are losing the argument

Schneider and Carroll were pawns to Bevell. All things, or at least every damned wrong thing, that happened on that offense were his doing, and his doing alone. Well except Cable wasn't good either, but even Cable was Bevell's fault. Can't even blame Carroll or Schneider for either hiring Bevell, or if he really was that bad, keeping him for all those years. Nope. Bevell had something on them. Must be the answer. He really is the only bad thing that has ever happened to this team.

typically the person in charge gets the blame, at least in the sane world it is. bevell, as the OC, is "in charge" of the offense. when it fails it is on his head. thats why he was fired.

Players never fail in a play, every bad play is purely the wrong call. It's up to the OC to know when a player is going to drop a pass, blow a block, or cause a stupid penalty. If you call the right play those things simply never happen.

and who is coaching these players? who is putting them in the positions they are in?

you blame cable for the OL being bad, but refuse to place blame on bevell for the rest of the offensive players.

You can't reach these people. They lack critical thinking.

says the one of the least critical person around.
 

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uh oh looks like you are losing the argument

typically the person in charge gets the blame, at least in the sane world it is. bevell, as the OC, is "in charge" of the offense. when it fails it is on his head. thats why he was fired.

and who is coaching these players? who is putting them in the positions they are in?

you blame cable for the OL being bad, but refuse to place blame on bevell for the rest of the offensive players.

says the one of the least critical person around.
So you can blame the people "in charge" but only one of them. Carroll is the ultimate in charge, but gets a free pass. Schneider is in charge, but Bevell is the only one to blame for the players acquired on that unit. Cable wasn't good and you can admit that and yet entirely diminish it at the same time entirely because of your hate.

And for the millionth time, you can't claim I've given Bevell a pass of any kind. I've even added critical things for him in this thread, more or less many times over the years.

The difference is the rest of us that don't have our heads up our asses can put the blame on everyone, where it belongs.

You aren't capable of grasping that. And you never will.
 

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i actually went back and looked at your comments about bevell, and i found not one critical thing. i found NOTHING but blame shifting and whining BS.

the FACT is, bevell did not get the HC job all you idiots predicted he would get. bevell was FIRED when all of you idiots claimed he shouldnt be. bevell had to sit on his couch for a year because NOT ONE TEAM wanted him. he had to take a job with the LIONS when there were OC openings all over the place and unnamed coffee boys were getting jobs.

I have been correct in my assessment and you have been wrong, and you will continue to be because bevell will last about 365 days in detroit after the entire staff gets canned next year.
 

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i actually went back and looked at your comments about bevell, and i found not one critical thing. i found NOTHING but blame shifting and whining BS.

the FACT is, bevell did not get the HC job all you idiots predicted he would get. bevell was FIRED when all of you idiots claimed he shouldnt be. bevell had to sit on his couch for a year because NOT ONE TEAM wanted him. he had to take a job with the LIONS when there were OC openings all over the place and unnamed coffee boys were getting jobs.

I have been correct in my assessment and you have been wrong, and you will continue to be because bevell will last about 365 days in detroit after the entire staff gets canned next year.

Glad you're dealing with the idiots....they will find out that Wilson saved Bevells job year after year by making some of the greatest most athletic plays to win games in 4th qtr that hasnt been seen since Tarkenton. Nothing to do with game plan. Bevell was also blessed with a running back that needed no scheme except to run through people. Prepare to eat crow....
 

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Glad you're dealing with the idiots....they will find out that Wilson saved Bevells job year after year by making some of the greatest most athletic plays to win games in 4th qtr that hasnt been seen since Tarkenton. Nothing to do with game plan. Bevell was also blessed with a running back that needed no scheme except to run through people. Prepare to eat crow....

Coming from the guy who has waged a season long war against a rookie punter....
 

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i actually went back and looked at your comments about bevell, and i found not one critical thing. i found NOTHING but blame shifting and whining BS.

the FACT is, bevell did not get the HC job all you idiots predicted he would get. bevell was FIRED when all of you idiots claimed he shouldnt be. bevell had to sit on his couch for a year because NOT ONE TEAM wanted him. he had to take a job with the LIONS when there were OC openings all over the place and unnamed coffee boys were getting jobs.

I have been correct in my assessment and you have been wrong, and you will continue to be because bevell will last about 365 days in detroit after the entire staff gets canned next year.
You are bound and determined to double down on your stupid over and over again.

Show me any quote where I have said anything about Bevell being HC worthy. Show me any quote where I said he is tops in the league at OC or anything similar. You keep accusing me of it so support your claims or shut the fuck up already.

Im on my phone or I'd direct link, but I clearly said Bevell and the rest of that staff didn't come close to using Harvin and Graham effectively. If you again fail to find it I'd be happy to embarrass you once again when I'm back on a PC.

Lol at the claim you've been right about anything. You are quite literally the least knowledgeable blowhard I've ever seen. If your assessment had even been close Carroll would have been fired for not doing something about a staff member that was that bad. And there is no chance they make back to back superbowls. I don't care how good your defense is, you aren't winning a SB with an entirely incompetent offense.

No, history and the facts prove you are a total idiot.
 

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time to move on.

another month and we will have a real idea of what the first round of the draft will look like. we already have guys moving up thanks to the senior bowl, cougars andre dillard apparently has piqued our interest.

ok I had to:

And there is no chance they make back to back superbowls. I don't care how good your defense is, you aren't winning a SB with entirely an incompetent offense.

ya we lost the second one if you recall...

and speaking of blowhards, search "Bevell" and yourself, 99% of it is you pissing and bitching about people criticizing him. a lot of it is unprovoked too.
 

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i believe bevell and cable were so bad anyone would do a better job, i said this repeatedly.

And repeatedly, you'd be incorrect... If you were correct, he wouldn't have gotten another job in the NFL but Detroit thinks otherwise...
 

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ya we lost the second one if you recall....

So you're basically blaming Bevell for the Loss but not going to give him any credit for the win in the previous year... I see...

As they say, "Hatred is one long wait." and "Hate cages all the good things about you."... I'm sure you have a lot of great qualities but it's overshadowed by your hatred for Bevell...
 

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So you're basically blaming Bevell for the Loss but not going to give him any credit for the win in the previous year... I see...

As they say, "Hatred is one long wait." and "Hate cages all the good things about you."... I'm sure you have a lot of great qualities but it's overshadowed by your hatred for Bevell...

well the broncos scored 8 points, our defense scored 9.... so excuse me if i dont credit bevell for the win.
 

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well the broncos scored 8 points, our defense scored 9.... so excuse me if i dont credit bevell for the win.
Nor the rest of them they needed to reach that game. With HFA to boot.

You are totally blind.

Im not sure you have any idea what everyone else does on that team. The bad players were all on bevell. Schneider doesn't have any responsibility at all to vet players and make the best picks they can. Simply point and you get what you want. Or so you believe.

You agree cable had to go, but still blame Bevell for the parts cable was handed.

Carroll has always, and will always have a conservative offense that will look boring, but it's all Bevell.

Just clueless. And you prove it more and more with each post.
 

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Nor the rest of them they needed to reach that game. With HFA to boot.

You are totally blind.

Im not sure you have any idea what everyone else does on that team. The bad players were all on bevell. Schneider doesn't have any responsibility at all to vet players and make the best picks they can. Simply point and you get what you want. Or so you believe.

You agree cable had to go, but still blame Bevell for the parts cable was handed.

Carroll has always, and will always have a conservative offense that will look boring, but it's all Bevell.

Just clueless. And you prove it more and more with each post.

and yet somehow that same conservative offense with lesser talent managed to out do any and every year under bevell IN YEAR ONE.

if one year ago today i told you that would happen, you would have laughed and claimed i dont know anything about the game.
 

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and yet somehow that same conservative offense with lesser talent managed to out do any and every year under bevell IN YEAR ONE.

if one year ago today i told you that would happen, you would have laughed and claimed i dont know anything about the game.
If you would have told me they wouldn't have every running back hurt as much as last year and cable was gone id have bet on massive changes. And so would everyone else. But if you are down to making up more shit to try to salvage the debate you are way past out of steam.

Once again put back in your place. How many more times before you stop embarrassing yourself?
 

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If you would have told me they wouldn't have every running back hurt as much as last year and cable was gone id have bet on massive changes. And so would everyone else. But if you are down to making up more shit to try to salvage the debate you are way past out of steam.

Once again put back in your place. How many more times before you stop embarrassing yourself?

the numbers dont lie, the 2018 offense was better in points, touchdowns, and redzone % than any year under bevell, not just last year.
 
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