2019 Hall of Fame Ballot

[calsnowskier]

Frank Thomas is already in though.

But Edgar is a top 5 RH hitter of all time, dontchaknow...

 

[nynasty]

Mo still holding with 100% of published votes. Even the guy who said he wasn't going to vote for him changed his mind.

4 players currently tracking for induction:

Mariano Rivera (100 percent), Roy Halladay (92.9), Edgar Martinez (90.3), and Mike Mussina (81.4).

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Mo still holding with 100% of published votes. Even the guy who said he wasn't going to vote for him changed his mind.

4 players currently tracking for induction:

Mariano Rivera (100 percent), Roy Halladay (92.9), Edgar Martinez (90.3), and Mike Mussina (81.4).

I really am unsure why I am such a Mussina hater when it comes to the HOF.... I loved him as a yankee...

 

[nynasty]

I really am unsure why I am such a Mussina hater when it comes to the HOF.... I loved him as a yankee...

He was about as consistent as they come. One of their best FA signings ever.

Signature moment for me was when he was brought in in relief in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, 1 out, Sox already up 4-0 and the base loaded. Somehow got Johnny Damon to ground into an inning ending DP. He doesn't do that, there's probably no Boone walkoff 9 or so innings later.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

He was about as consistent as they come. One of their best FA signings ever.

Signature moment for me was when he was brought in in relief in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, 1 out, Sox already up 4-0 and the base loaded. Somehow got Johnny Damon to ground into an inning ending DP. He doesn't do that, there's probably no Boone walkoff 9 or so innings later.

again, I loved him as a yankee... Just don't think he is HOF worthy... Consistency is great, but when you don't hit any milestones, then I need some ELITENESS... and he really didn't have any...

 

[carson]

again, I loved him as a yankee... Just don't think he is HOF worthy... Consistency is great, but when you don't hit any milestones, then I need some ELITENESS... and he really didn't have any...

His career is full of milestones:

• Mussina's 82.7 pitching wins above replacement (WAR) ranks 19th since 1901, according to Baseball-Reference.com, sandwiching him between Fergie Jenkins and Bob Gibson, and ahead of Hall of Famers such as Tom Glavine and Don Sutton. That number puts Mussina ninth since the mound was lowered in 1969, and he is one of only 13 pitchers to collect at least 10 seasons of 5.0-plus WAR, an All-Star level.

• Mussina also racked up 48.6 wins above average (WAA), which compares him to a league-average pitcher, rather than a replacement-level pitcher, as in WAR. That puts him 13th all time, above Gibson, Jenkins and Warren Spahn.

• One thing that's important to keep in mind about Mussina is that he played his entire 18-year career in the American League East during the 1990s and 2000s. There hardly could be a worse time and place to be a pitcher. So while Mussina's 3.68 ERA ranks a modest 137th since 1901 (minimum 2,500 innings), he shoots all the way up to 33rd with a 123 ERA+, which compares a pitcher to league average (100), adjusting for era and ballpark.

To further illustrate this point, look at Mussina next to Hall of Famer Juan Marichal, who pitched from 1960-75. Marichal posted an identical 123 career ERA+, but with an unadjusted ERA of 2.89. That's why it's important not to judge a pitcher only by traditional stats.

 

[nynasty]

again, I loved him as a yankee... Just don't think he is HOF worthy... Consistency is great, but when you don't hit any milestones, then I need some ELITENESS... and he really didn't have any...

Would've had a perfect game if not for a 2 out 2 strike Carl Everett bloop single.

20th all time in Ks

23rd all time in pitcher WAR

117 games over .500 in his starts (No pitcher 100 games or more over .500 has failed to make the HOF)


Not a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination, but if guys like Jack Morris and Catfish Hunter are in, there's zero justification for Moose not to be.

 

[Pure Steel]

Would've had a perfect game if not for a 2 out 2 strike Carl Everett bloop single.

20th all time in Ks

23rd all time in pitcher WAR

117 games over .500 in his starts (No pitcher 100 games or more over .500 has failed to make the HOF)


Not a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination, but if guys like Jack Morris and Catfish Hunter are in, there's zero justification for Moose not to be.

And had the pleasure of pitching in the steroid fueled AL East his entire career......That has to be a factor as well.....

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Would've had a perfect game if not for a 2 out 2 strike Carl Everett bloop single.

20th all time in Ks

23rd all time in pitcher WAR

117 games over .500 in his starts (No pitcher 100 games or more over .500 has failed to make the HOF)


Not a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination, but if guys like Jack Morris and Catfish Hunter are in, there's zero justification for Moose not to be.

that's my other thing, why does a mistake(letting those guys in) justify making other mistakes??


I mean, it is easy to say Harrold Baines and Jack Morris just made it... Edgar Martinez and Mike Mussina are much better, so they deserve it NOW>>>>>

 

[nynasty]

that's my other thing, why does a mistake(letting those guys in) justify making other mistakes??


I mean, it is easy to say Harrold Baines and Jack Morris just made it... Edgar Martinez and Mike Mussina are much better, so they deserve it NOW>>>>>

It's the Hall of Very Good now.

Has been for a while.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

It's the Hall of Very Good now.

Has been for a while.

yea, it is... But shouldn't we at least have the original vote be the best of the best... Let the veteran committee and whoever else ruin it...

 

[wazzu31]

Frank Thomas is already in though.

Frank Thomas doesn’t sniff Edgar’s jock. And all the anti DH dumbasses assured he was a gold glove 1B.

 

[calsnowskier]

Frank Thomas doesn’t sniff Edgar’s jock. And all the anti DH dumbasses assured he was a gold glove 1B.

So, for the record, you are claiming that Edgar’s BAT is so far superior to Thomas’ BAT that Thomas “doesn’t sniff Edgar’s jock”.

I just want you record with that opinion...

 

[nynasty]

Against the Yankees, give me Edgar. (Man did he just kill them)

Against everybody else, give me the Big Hurt.

 

[tducey]

About to be announced. Think it'll be a multi-name ballot, not sure if it's 3 or 4 names that will be inducted.

 

[bksballer89]

Edgar is in

 

[bksballer89]

Edgar, Halladay, Mussina, and Rivera

Mariano is the first unanimous HOF!!!!!!!!!

 

[Guy Incognito]

Thank fucking Christ that this stupid "unanimous" thing can finally die. The dipshits doing the voting have clung to this for way too long.

 

[bksballer89]

 

[DefCONNOne]

Edgar, Halladay, Mussina, and Rivera

Mariano is the first unanimous HOF!!!!!!!!!

Yeah fuck that Jackie Robinson clown!! What has he ever done?!?!