Discussion in 'MLB Baseball Forum' started by navamind, Nov 9, 2018.
Shit ballots like this drive me mad
Out of curiosity, what would you do different than this ballot?
First and foremost, vote for 10 players. Like, oh I don’t know, any one of the SP’s on the ballot worthy of induction.
I don’t agree with the ballot (almost top-to-bottom), but nothing really pisses me off about it.
The only names he includes that I would seriously consider for my ballot are Kent and Rivera and only he includes that I 100% would NOT include is Edgar. But that is where opinion and argument enter the discussion.
Basically, as long as you are somewhat consistent with your arguments, I am AOK with your vote.
I'd say putting Wagner before Halladay is pretty ridiculous...
I don't care if they use 10 or not. If you don't have 10 qualified candidates then don't put 10 votes.
That being said, Halladay and Mussina for sure should get votes. That still only leaves 8. Rolen for 9.
Tejada is worthy, but some people think when they are not a slam dunk they should not get in on the 1st ballot.
Sure. I agree. But at least he isn’t splitting Bonds/Clemens or not voting for either of them while still voting for Sosa.
There are times when there are absolutely not 10 worthy candidates. This isn’t one of those times.
But apparently based on this guy’s voting history he is a small hall guy who favors closers and only votes for SP’s who are virtual locks.
Tejada had a 108 OPS+, played crappy defense and hit into a ton of double plays. Still a very good hitter by shortstop standards, but I don't think it's enough to put him in the HOF. That MVP was also very questionable, I don't think he was even the best shortstop in the AL nevermind the best player.
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Based on the new Baines standard everyone on the ballot is over qualified
If Baines is a HOFer, I am actually rather optimistic about MY chances.
Harsh on Baines. I don't think he's a HoFer. He's definitely in the Hall of Very Good. .289 BA, OPS+ of 121, 384 HR, 2,866 hits. Good player.
I would be OK with his induction into the HOVG, but I think he is still on the fence for that.
I get that he is loved by Sox fans. I respect that. But he does not belong anywhere near the HOF. In fact, I would have a problem with them even giving him a discounted ticket just to get in. Dude just doesn’t deserve it.
Ahhh, the small hall guy who votes for closers, like the vegan who eats fried chicken on the weekends.
Would absolutely INCLUDE the Greatest RH hitter of all time. (ok, top 5)
Are you discounting the D?
Did you just call Edgar a top 5 RH hitter of all time?
I think where I disagree with some people/voters is in thinking that one bad aggregate choice has to set an entirely new standard for your individual ballot and redefine for you what a HoFer is.
I didn't think that Harold Baines was good enough to be a HoFer before he was elected and I don't see much reason to change that opinion (or my own HoF standards) now that a small group has disagreed with me and allowed him entry.
Finally the best clean DH of all time will get in the HOF. Rivera gets in and he says the toughest hitter he ever faced is Edgar that should be good enough for anyone.
Frank Thomas is already in though.
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