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[ATL96Steeler]

That could definitely be true........Fournette played with some of the worst QB's in the nation, so his propensity to see 10 man boxes was much more likely than Cook

I can't say I watch a ton of either player, but LSU rarely ever used Fournette in the passing game...he might have more skills there than we know about.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I think they have seen what they will ever see out of Manuel, and it is not good at all.....So with him, winning anywhere between 3-6 games is probably realistic.....I cant speak on Jones besides one small sample against the Jets in the last game, where he looked awful, but again, that's a very small sampling

Yeah, as far as Cousins, just reading the rumors that San Fran is willing to trade the #2 pick for Cousins to the Skins

Manuel is a stiff...should be destined to hold a clipboard. Jones hasn't really had the chance so who knows...maybe the Bills will decide to go with one of these rookies, and put that money slotted for Taylor in another position.

SF's #2 overall...yeah, the lure there I think is more with Shanahan and Cousins than it is Cousins on his own merit. If the incoming HC was someone else, I'm not sure if they would be offering up #2 overall for Cousins. That said, I think WAS could easily get a 1st round, top 15 pick for him now....the big concern I would have there...in WAS he had very good weapons. Not sure if he could put up 4k+ yds with CLE, CHI, BUF, SF, rosters.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Manuel is a stiff...should be destined to hold a clipboard. Jones hasn't really had the chance so who knows...maybe the Bills will decide to go with one of these rookies, and put that money slotted for Taylor in another position.

SF's #2 overall...yeah, the lure there I think is more with Shanahan and Cousins than it is Cousins on his own merit. If the incoming HC was someone else, I'm not sure if they would be offering up #2 overall for Cousins. That said, I think WAS could easily get a 1st round, top 15 pick for him now....the big concern I would have there...in WAS he had very good weapons. Not sure if he could put up 4k+ yds with CLE, CHI, BUF, SF, rosters.

Im not the biggest Cousin fan, but a true franchise QB can change the fortunes of an entire organization for a good decade, maybe more......So IMO, if nothing, especially a QB, pops out to you with that #2 pick, maybe he is worth giving up that pick.....If this was a Winston/Marriotta type draft, id probably lean away from doing that, and rolling the dice on a high upside guy like that....But in their situation, maybe Cousins would be worth that pick

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Manuel is a stiff...should be destined to hold a clipboard. Jones hasn't really had the chance so who knows...maybe the Bills will decide to go with one of these rookies, and put that money slotted for Taylor in another position.

SF's #2 overall...yeah, the lure there I think is more with Shanahan and Cousins than it is Cousins on his own merit. If the incoming HC was someone else, I'm not sure if they would be offering up #2 overall for Cousins. That said, I think WAS could easily get a 1st round, top 15 pick for him now....the big concern I would have there...in WAS he had very good weapons. Not sure if he could put up 4k+ yds with CLE, CHI, BUF, SF, rosters.

Whats your thoughts on Garrapollo, in comparison to Cousins, and in terms of what you would surrender for him?

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Im not the biggest Cousin fan, but a true franchise QB can change the fortunes of an entire organization for a good decade, maybe more......So IMO, if nothing, especially a QB, pops out to you with that #2 pick, maybe he is worth giving up that pick.....If this was a Winston/Marriotta type draft, id probably lean away from doing that, and rolling the dice on a high upside guy like that....But in their situation, maybe Cousins would be worth that pick

No question.

I see the connection and the worth with Shanny (assuming he takes the SF job)...he knows Cousins, apparently instrumental in drafting him. But, to expect the production he's has in WAS the last two seasons I think would be a reach. They just don't have the horses in SF right now.

But, yeah building around him in SF makes sense and I would venture is worth #2 overall, but it probably won't look like great value '17.

But if another HC ends up with the SF job, I wouldn't be so quick to offer up #2 overall because learning a new OFC, new team, etc...the WAS like production might be considerably longer in the making.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Whats your thoughts on Garrapollo, in comparison to Cousins, and in terms of what you would surrender for him?

If I were running CLE...maybe the 2nd round 2 pick #50 overall, use #1 on the edge rusher, #12 on CB, ILB or S, #33 on OT.

Probably even moreso than Cousins, Garrapollo needs a solid system he already knows, and good talent around him to be effective early....I wouldn't part with a 1st round pick for him.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

If I were running CLE...maybe the 2nd round 2 pick #50 overall, use #1 on the edge rusher, #12 on CB, ILB or S, #33 on OT.

Probably even moreso than Cousins, Garrapollo needs a solid system he already knows, and good talent around him to be effective early....I wouldn't part with a 1st round pick for him.

Im interested in seeing how that Jimmy G thing works out if NE were to declare him available before the draft......Between Romo, him and this Cousins thing, with so many teams in need of a QB, pre-draft developments could get very interesting

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Im interested in seeing how that Jimmy G thing works out if NE were to declare him available before the draft......Between Romo, him and this Cousins thing, with so many teams in need of a QB, pre-draft developments could get very interesting

It is going to be interesting.

Romo...because of age and health history imo is limited to more ready made rosters so we're really talking about DEN, and maybe NYJ.

Cousins...also somewhat limited because he's a FA that can be tagged...a wink wink sign and trade would most likely have to be in place for him to move.

So the real wildcard imo is Jimmy G...how much can NE get? After the Osweiler fiasco I don't think teams are going to show the Pats the vault to get him.

 

[Clayton]

Jimmy G is worth going for in some sort of fantasy world where teams budget to bring in a guy like him. He is better than Osweiler, Bradford, Cassel and Mallett. I just think that teams would rather get their own guy on a rookie contract for a few years.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

It is going to be interesting.

Romo...because of age and health history imo is limited to more ready made rosters so we're really talking about DEN, and maybe NYJ.

Cousins...also somewhat limited because he's a FA that can be tagged...a wink wink sign and trade would most likely have to be in place for him to move.

So the real wildcard imo is Jimmy G...how much can NE get? After the Osweiler fiasco I don't think teams are going to show the Pats the vault to get him.

Yeah, I think Romo is perfect for Denver obviously....2 teams he also would fit perfectly, but would never happen, are KC and Houston......I think the Jets need to lean more in the direction of a total reconstruction of that roster...Heading INTO this past season, I thought the Jets made a ton of sense, but seeing how brutal their defense played, and how guys aged so quickly, I think they are a lot more than a QB away from winning......

 

[mcnabb7542]

I seem to be the only guy that thinks Dalvin Cooke is the better pro than Fournette in todays NFL

Actually you aren't... I'm just keeping my mouth shut and he falls to 15!

 

[Clayton]

I seem to be the only guy that thinks Dalvin Cooke is the better pro than Fournette in todays NFL

Literally the first thing you see when you go to CBSsports NFL draft site is Rang talking about Cook over Fournette and they've been talking him up for weeks. SI also has him going before Fournette. Both are almost top 10 locks at this point.

Kamara, McCaffrey and Samuel are the wild cards in the draft imo. I would say Mixon is the super wild card.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Literally the first thing you see when you go to CBSsports NFL draft site is Rang talking about Cook over Fournette and they've been talking him up for weeks. SI also has him going before Fournette. Both are almost top 10 locks at this point.

Kamara, McCaffrey and Samuel are the wild cards in the draft imo. I would say Mixon is the super wild card.

If not for Mixons' off field, ive seen many think he is the best back in the draft

I think Mccafrey is gonna make some team very happy (im sure teams will be dumb enough to let him fall to the Pats, and spend the next 8 years having trouble defending him).....I think he is like Danny Woodhead on Steroids, or even better, a Darren Sproles type, which is not bad at all

 

[mcnabb7542]

Literally the first thing you see when you go to CBSsports NFL draft site is Rang talking about Cook over Fournette and they've been talking him up for weeks. SI also has him going before Fournette. Both are almost top 10 locks at this point.

Kamara, McCaffrey and Samuel are the wild cards in the draft imo. I would say Mixon is the super wild card.

Son of a bitch!

 

[Clayton]

If not for Mixons' off field, ive seen many think he is the best back in the draft

I think Mccafrey is gonna make some team very happy (im sure teams will be dumb enough to let him fall to the Pats, and spend the next 8 years having trouble defending him).....I think he is like Danny Woodhead on Steroids, or even better, a Darren Sproles type, which is not bad at all

McCaffrey's college tape is really good but the elephant in the room is whether or not he'll be able to hold up to an NFL schedule.

After seeing Reggie Bush's career...not sure what that type of thing is worth.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Yeah, I think Romo is perfect for Denver obviously....2 teams he also would fit perfectly, but would never happen, are KC and Houston......I think the Jets need to lean more in the direction of a total reconstruction of that roster...Heading INTO this past season, I thought the Jets made a ton of sense, but seeing how brutal their defense played, and how guys aged so quickly, I think they are a lot more than a QB away from winning......

I'm sure you see them a lot more than me, but the Jets did fall off this yr (OFC and DEF) actually...I was kinda thinking they might be replacing their HC also given Bowles is a DEF guy.

I agree DEN would be ideal. That said, if the Jets had a QB on the level of a Romo as long as he had the tools around him maybe they become a team in a similar vein as the Falcons or the Steelers both of whom have been rebuilding their DEF for about 4 yrs now....one got to the AFCCG and obviously the other is in the SB.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

I'm sure you see them a lot more than me, but the Jets did fall off this yr (OFC and DEF) actually...I was kinda thinking they might be replacing their HC also given Bowles is a DEF guy.

I agree DEN would be ideal. That said, if the Jets had a QB on the level of a Romo as long as he had the tools around him maybe they become a team in a similar vein as the Falcons or the Steelers both of whom have been rebuilding their DEF for about 4 yrs now....one got to the AFCCG and obviously the other is in the SB.

Jets picking 6, and maybe eyeing Watson (at least rumblings around here), bringing in Romo on a one year or 2 year max, may not be the worst idea, as a dart throw possibility of making the postseason, and also as a mentor of sorts to a Watson type....I still think at the end of the day, Elway has to have his head in the clouds if he doesn't land Romo....Would be such a waste of a talented roster, that will age very quickly in todays NFL

Agree on Bowles, Id bet my bank account this coming season will be his last, and the jets probably know that, and should have just cut ties...He is simply in over his head....Doesn't seem like he is the guy you want developing a young QB, and his defense (his specialty) was an absolute disaster this season.....That's without even getting into the locker room stuff, where players were notoriously late for meetings, fights amongst teammates, etc.

 

[shopson67]

Taylor is a poor mans Cam...the problem here is the money. He's not really a $15mil CH player, but if surrounded with good talent, open up the OFC a bit, he can be an effective starter in this league. With that OFC scheme, he was never going to be a 300 yd passer many more times than he has been.

2017 Quarterback Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap

At 15+M next season, he would be the 20th paid QB in the NFL (and that's without Cousins included yet, and Brady is slumming at 14M). Almost seems underpaid when you look at it that way; he's clearly better than 20th in the league (2 straight pro-bowls, albeit as an alternate).

 

[shopson67]

In a lot of ways, that's true.

BUF...it really just depends on how much of a drop off they see with Manuel or Jones...are they a 3 or 4 win team with those guys? Or with a better OFC scheme and maybe a little better luck with injuries are they a 9 maybe 10 win team with Taylor?

Cousins...#1 overall might be a reach, but I get your point...a stats QB goes a long way in the game today.

Manuel is HORRIBLE. He can't play with any anticipation, has horrible footwork, and can't hit the broad side of a barn unless his feet are perfectly set. Jones is a work in progress. As the #3, he doesn't get much practice time, and it showed in his week 17 appearance (and that the Bills were mailing it in).

Keeping Tyrod while giving Cardale time to develop as the #2 behind him seems ideal to me. Maybe they draft (or UDFA) Chad Kelly as a 3rd stringer out of family loyalty, lol?

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Jets picking 6, and maybe eyeing Watson (at least rumblings around here), bringing in Romo on a one year or 2 year max, may not be the worst idea, as a dart throw possibility of making the postseason, and also as a mentor of sorts to a Watson type....I still think at the end of the day, Elway has to have his head in the clouds if he doesn't land Romo....Would be such a waste of a talented roster, that will age very quickly in todays NFL

Agree on Bowles, Id bet my bank account this coming season will be his last, and the jets probably know that, and should have just cut ties...He is simply in over his head....Doesn't seem like he is the guy you want developing a young QB, and his defense (his specialty) was an absolute disaster this season.....That's without even getting into the locker room stuff, where players were notoriously late for meetings, fights amongst teammates, etc.

DEN/Romo...yeah, it makes too much sense. There will be some interest I'm sure. Elway would like to get another ring or at least a shot at another while that DEF is still near the top of the league. Whether it will get done or not is the question.

Bowles...I actually thought he might turn out to be a decent HC, but if you're a DEF specialist, you get some slack if your OFC sucks and your DEF is pretty good, but not often when both go south...the league is so topsy turvy that I wouldn't bet my account on him being gone after this season, but the seat is already hot I'm sure.