2016 Free Agents [Redskins]

[Breed]

Sharkinva,

I do agree with what I believe is one of the sentiments you've made in this thread. That being too many eggs are being put in the Galette basket. I don't know a lot about Galette, but what I've read concerning him. He seems to be one of those bros before ho's type cats. Its funny how so many of those same cats seem to repeatedly put hands on a woman.

I mean, hell, if a female is no more than a piece of ass and like a bus at a bus stop to you. If you miss the first one, no worries cuz another one will be by 10 minutes later. Than why in the fuck are you losing cool points and kickin a woman's ass over some bullshit? Is she or they don't mean shit to you. Than they shouldn't be able to bring about that type of reaction in you.

 

[Sharkinva]

Is it really two extra roster spots? I thought you said we need a minimum of 4 OLBs.

It came out to be two extra roster spots. But we have thrown Murphy, Smith, Jeffcoat and also signed Gallette for the spot. SO in the end, it "saved" us less than $1 million against the cap. But hey it was all worth it right because its $500k we didnt spend of cap space.

 

[Sharkinva]

I look at it as boiling down to either keeping Orakpo or Kerrigan, but they couldn't or wouldn't keep both. I think the correct choice was made.

Actually it should have never gotten to THAT point. Had they simply signed him long term in 2014 instead of franchise tagging him, his cap number in 2014 would have likely been around $3 Million, and for 2015 it would have been around $6.5 and we still would have done the deal with Kerrigan.

 

[gkekoa]

It came out to be two extra roster spots. But we have thrown Murphy, Smith, Jeffcoat and also signed Gallette for the spot. SO in the end, it "saved" us less than $1 million against the cap. But hey it was all worth it right because its $500k we didnt spend of cap space.

It wasn't any extra spots. You said yourself we need to carry at least four OLBs. We simply replaced RAK with Galette. So we saved millions for that one roster spot.

 

[Sharkinva]

It wasn't any extra spots. You said yourself we need to carry at least four OLBs. We simply replaced RAK with Galette. So we saved millions for that one roster spot.

We havent saved much yet for that one roster spot. Rak cost a whopping $3.55 million against the cap. Between the four guys we brought in We spent $3 million. NOw lets see what kind of deal Galette gets and I wonder how many of the people who were bitching about Rak not being worth the contract will tear into SMGM for the deal Galette is likely to get. Because his agent will look at what Rak got last year and start there.

 

[gkekoa]

We havent saved much yet for that one roster spot. Rak cost a whopping $3.55 million against the cap. Between the four guys we brought in We spent $3 million. NOw lets see what kind of deal Galette gets and I wonder how many of the people who were bitching about Rak not being worth the contract will tear into SMGM for the deal Galette is likely to get. Because his agent will look at what Rak got last year and start there.

Which four guys are you referring to? PS would have been on the team and TM would have been on the team. So those contracts do not count as extra money against the current cap. Jeffcoat would likely be on the team because you yourself stated we probably need to carry five OLBs. The only person brought in was Galette.

RAK cap figure was 4.5 million but with guarantee money, the minimum he would cost against the cap for this one year of play is 8 million. The other 3.5 could be spread out but still counts against caps. Our cap hit for Galette was .5 million. So to compare cap numbers for how RAK was replaced, the savings was 4 million (straight single season cap comparison) and we equalled his production through cheap, young talent. That is how you win. You don't overpay injured and overrated football players that can be easily replaced.

 

[Sharkinva]

Which four guys are you referring to? PS would have been on the team and TM would have been on the team. So those contracts do not count as extra money against the current cap. Jeffcoat would likely be on the team because you yourself stated we probably need to carry five OLBs. The only person brought in was Galette.

RAK cap figure was 4.5 million but with guarantee money, the minimum he would cost against the cap for this one year of play is 8 million. The other 3.5 could be spread out but still counts against caps. Our cap hit for Galette was .5 million. So to compare cap numbers for how RAK was replaced, the savings was 4 million (straight single season cap comparison) and we equalled his production through cheap, young talent. That is how you win. You don't overpay injured and overrated football players that can be easily replaced.

If we werent trying to replace RAK, we likely would not have drafted Smith. So thats a direct cost replacement. Also we would not have likely signed Galette, so yet another direct cost. Odds are we also would not have had Jeffcoat on the active roster... so thats three guys right there we brought in to try and replace him.


Look just fess up and say you didnt want the guy here, but the whole cap angle is bullshit and we both know it. What exactly did or would the Extra $1 million or so have done for this team?? And Im sorry, but if you need 2 3 or more players to replace ONE guys production... I dont care if you saved 5 million if you took up twice as many roster spots to do it.

 

[gkekoa]

If we werent trying to replace RAK, we likely would not have drafted Smith. So thats a direct cost replacement. Also we would not have likely signed Galette, so yet another direct cost. Odds are we also would not have had Jeffcoat on the active roster... so thats three guys right there we brought in to try and replace him.


Look just fess up and say you didnt want the guy here, but the whole cap angle is bullshit and we both know it. What exactly did or would the Extra $1 million or so have done for this team?? And Im sorry, but if you need 2 3 or more players to replace ONE guys production... I dont care if you saved 5 million if you took up twice as many roster spots to do it.

You can't make that claim because you sound like Dean. We drafted PS because he was BPA. Even if he wasn't, we would have to have a player with a salary to fill that roster spot. Jeffcoat was active 6 games all season. You stated earlier that we likely need to carry five OLBs.

Are you suggesting we would only have RAK, RK, and Trent Murphy as our OLBs on our roster?

 

[Sharkinva]

You can't make that claim because you sound like Dean. We drafted PS because he was BPA. Even if he wasn't, we would have to have a player with a salary to fill that roster spot. Jeffcoat was active 6 games all season. You stated earlier that we likely need to carry five OLBs.

Are you suggesting we would only have RAK, RK, and Trent Murphy as our OLBs on our roster?

Nope, IM suggesting that if we were NOT still trying to fill the hole left by letting RAK go, we might have found that another player was the BPA instead of Smith. I am saying that we are no better off than last year if we are in a position where we STILL dont have a complete OLB to play opposite Kerrigan. IM also suggesting that Galette will get a deal close to what RAK got from the Titans despite the fact that he hasnt taken a single fucking snap for this team. Good teams draft, develop and take care of their own. We continue to let players leave that we drafted and wonder why we spin our wheels. And Im sorry, but this isnt the 1990's so unless you think we are going to do another Haynesworth type deal, the CAP is a piss poor excuse.

 

[gkekoa]

Nope, IM suggesting that if we were NOT still trying to fill the hole left by letting RAK go, we might have found that another player was the BPA instead of Smith. I am saying that we are no better off than last year if we are in a position where we STILL dont have a complete OLB to play opposite Kerrigan. IM also suggesting that Galette will get a deal close to what RAK got from the Titans despite the fact that he hasnt taken a single fucking snap for this team. Good teams draft, develop and take care of their own. We continue to let players leave that we drafted and wonder why we spin our wheels. And Im sorry, but this isnt the 1990's so unless you think we are going to do another Haynesworth type deal, the CAP is a piss poor excuse.

The BPA doesn't change. It would be pure speculation to think it would. RAK wasn't complete and we are better at that position today than we were with him here at a much lower cost. Galette was on a one year show me deal and he showed nothing. RAK was consistently injured his time here. Good teams don't panic and overpay their own...they also don't overpay outsiders. RAK was overrated garbage.

 

[Sharkinva]

The BPA doesn't change. It would be pure speculation to think it would. RAK wasn't complete and we are better at that position today than we were with him here at a much lower cost. Galette was on a one year show me deal and he showed nothing. RAK was consistently injured his time here. Good teams don't panic and overpay their own...they also don't overpay outsiders. RAK was overrated garbage.

At least you finally admit it. You thought he was over rated and not very good. So any thing in your opinion was a better solution. The fact that we are COUNTING on resigning Gallette screams that we are NOT in a better position. Orakpo would have started and likely out performed Murphy or Smith.

So am I to gather, since you are or have been using the same dont over pay bullshit when it comes to Cousins that you think he is also over rated garbage?? Just curious.

 

[gkekoa]

At least you finally admit it. You thought he was over rated and not very good. So any thing in your opinion was a better solution. The fact that we are COUNTING on resigning Gallette screams that we are NOT in a better position. Orakpo would have started and likely out performed Murphy or Smith.

So am I to gather, since you are or have been using the same dont over pay bullshit when it comes to Cousins that you think he is also over rated garbage?? Just curious.

I never claimed he wasn't overrated...he was solid. We are fine if we don't resign galette IMO. RAK would have held back PS who will be better then RAK.

KC is different because he isn't easily replaced. KC will get paid and I won't mind it. He performed better down the stretch than I expected and led us to the playoffs.

 

[Sharkinva]

I never claimed he wasn't overrated...he was solid. We are fine if we don't resign galette IMO. RAK would have held back PS who will be better then RAK.

KC is different because he isn't easily replaced. KC will get paid and I won't mind it. He performed better down the stretch than I expected and led us to the playoffs.

And Orakpo made 3 pro bowls playing for this team. So its kinda hard to say he was over rated. Smith had 4 good games down the stretch, so yea he MIGHT become a better player. But right now thats speculation. But you basically saying you thought Orakpo was over rated period. And the reason we arent FINE at the position is because any time you have to switch out starters based on what you THINK the offense is going to do, you leave your defense open to being exposed. Smith cant cover worth a damn, and Murphy still cant rush the passer. So no, we are NOT fine at the moment.

 

[gkekoa]

And Orakpo made 3 pro bowls playing for this team. So its kinda hard to say he was over rated. Smith had 4 good games down the stretch, so yea he MIGHT become a better player. But right now thats speculation. But you basically saying you thought Orakpo was over rated period. And the reason we arent FINE at the position is because any time you have to switch out starters based on what you THINK the offense is going to do, you leave your defense open to being exposed. Smith cant cover worth a damn, and Murphy still cant rush the passer. So no, we are NOT fine at the moment.

Pro bowls don't mean you are not overrated. Frequently, it proves you are.

RAK couldn't cover either. The production we got from the position is greater than what he provided and we won the division.

 

[Breed]

Actually it should have never gotten to THAT point. Had they simply signed him long term in 2014 instead of franchise tagging him, his cap number in 2014 would have likely been around $3 Million, and for 2015 it would have been around $6.5 and we still would have done the deal with Kerrigan.

Well, why did it get to that point then? And are you plqacing all the onus for it getting like that on the Skins? Cuz I don't recall ever reading anything attributed to Rak where he said he wanted to finish his career as a Redskin or was willing to make concessions for that to happen. From what I recall reading, Rak's main objective in 2014 was to be paid and to be paid as much as he could get. And the FA rankings for 2014 for whatever reason had him universally ranked as a top 3 FA regardless of position and the top OLB in FA.

Personally I think Rak should've been left as a 43 DE not converted to a 34 OLB. He isn't fluid enough imo to be a outside backer with coverage responsibilities. But after a nice rookie year I was hoping the Skins would make Rak their version of Clay Matthews. Move him around and use him almost exclusively as a pass rusher, but clearly they (Skins coaches) had other ideas,

Its all moot anyway. As while you clearly are a Rak fan, not everyone, including Scotty Mac apparently,
were as convinced as you are.

Brian Orakpo agrees to terms with the Titans

Then-defensive coordinator Jim Haslett planned to use a more aggressive approach with his pass rushers, and Orakpo relished the opportunity to prove his worth and his status as one of the elite pass rushers in the league. But the linebacker failed to deliver, struggling to get to the quarterback, and then suffering another injury.
This offseason, Orakpo and his representatives had talks with Washington about re-signing, but those negotiations never progressed to the point where the two sides were on the verge of an agreement. Redskins officials, including new defensive coordinator Joe Barry, saw value in Orakpo, people familiar with the situation said. But because of his injury history (last year’s marked his third torn pectoral muscle and his second season in the last three years that he had landed on IR), General Manager Scot McCloughan and team President Bruce Allen had serious reservations about giving Orakpo a lucrative deal.
People within the organization maintained contact with Orakpo’s camp, but were resigned to the fact that Orakpo would depart via free agency.
Despite his three Pro Bowl appearances, Orakpo’s tenure in Washington is viewed by many as a disappointment because his lack of double-digit sacks, his injuries and his struggles against NFC East opponents. In his 25 games versus division opponents, Orakpo mustered only seven sacks. He recorded 33 sacks in the other 46 games of his career.

And do tell. How many special teams teams or snaps to did Rak play for the Skins. when he was here. Did he ever play the 3rd most ST plays of the team like Murphy has? And far as Galette signing goes. Even if he had Dexter and Mann in their prime or players similar its possible Scotty Mac still signs Galette.
Because while he might be a freakin knucklehead. He's a knucklehead with what seems to be legit pass rushing skills. Whether he's a speed or power pass rusher makes little difference because as the saying goes. You can never have too many pass rushers.

 

[Breed]

And Orakpo made 3 pro bowls playing for this team. So its kinda hard to say he was over rated. Smith had 4 good games down the stretch, so yea he MIGHT become a better player. But right now thats speculation. But you basically saying you thought Orakpo was over rated period. And the reason we arent FINE at the position is because any time you have to switch out starters based on what you THINK the offense is going to do, you leave your defense open to being exposed. Smith cant cover worth a damn, and Murphy still cant rush the passer. So no, we are NOT fine at the moment.

In 2 of the 3 pro bowls he went to he was a replacement player and he only played in 1 of the 3 that he attended.

Pro Bowl nominations are often-times the worst argument one could use to support a position that a player is good, very good, great, not overrated etc. Regardless of that, Two players, not three or four, one being in his 2nd year, and the other a rookie. Put up better numbers damn near across the board over Rak's numbers. With the 2nd year player also playing significant time on STs as well and the rookie looking as if he has the potential to be the type of pass rusher. That keeps Def Co's up all night long. And both together cost less than Rak by himself.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Will Compton secured

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Offer out to Tress Way

 

[redskinsfan]

Speaking about free agents, here's Junior Galette's response to Andy Schein ranking him as one of the nine riskiest free agents.