MLB Daily Thread: 07-19-17: top 3 in the AL East win as Yanks make big trade

[AlpacaWine]

BS it doesn't. Having Mankins on the field for the 2015 AFCCG doesn't guarantee anything. Miller was coming from the opposite side anyway. Take Flowers away from the 2016 team and there's a damn good chance you lose that Super Bowl. Plus, going into this season you would have neither anyway. So you would take Flowers away from the 2016 team, plus going forward, in order to have Mankins on the 2015 team? Stupid stupid stupid.

Let me post a hypothetical for you.

I'm going to be a bit extreme for the sake of simplicity.

Let's say the Patriots trade their 2000 6th round draft pick to the Rams for a young Tory Holt.

Then the Rams draft Tom Brady with the same pick and instead of handing the reigns to Mark Bulger, they give the reigns to Tom Brady.

Does the fact that the Rams struck gold with a low value draft pick change the fact that they traded away a borderline hall of fame receiver for a low value draft pick, simply because they lucked into Tom Brady with it?

No. It doesn't.



The Patriots got lucky with Trey Flowers. Doesn't mean that they got good value with a 4th round pick for a guy they sorely missed in a failed Super Bowl run a year later.

 

[AlpacaWine]

I'm just going to throw this out there for clarification, even though it's common knowledge.

The Yankees are rebuilding while trying to stay competitive.

It's a pretty simple concept and it should explain their motives.

You don't "rebuild" by trading away a top 35 prospect for some bullpen help.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Agreed, Id prefer Gray, think the Yankees would too, but if it was gonna cost them another Rutherford type prospect, maybe thats where the deal died

Yeah and that's where I think there can be a second guess.

 

[AlpacaWine]

Again, it makes no sense, because last season and this season are night and day, and as Sox fan pointed out the 150 run swing in run differential is a string indicator of such

Every team in baseball with a strong system is going to use that system to its benefit depending on where the team stands....You are a Sox fan, you should know that better than anyone......If the Sox dont win a World Series this season, was the Sale deal a bad deal?

The Red Sox didn't sell one year and buy the next despite being in nearly identical situations in each season.

Cashman couldn't, or wasn't allowed, to stay the course. For whatever reason.

Maybe they're trying to capitalize on the Aaron Judge hype. Who knows.

But they went from "build for the future" to the opposite in no time, flat.

 

[$500 Million]

You don't "rebuild" by trading away a top 35 prospect for some bullpen help.

Yes you do, he had virtually no shot at making the MLB team anytime soon (if at all) and the BP is in need of help, these BP arms they got are signed through next year.

 

[black francis]

I'm just going to throw this out there for clarification, even though it's common knowledge.

The Yankees are rebuilding while trying to stay competitive.

It's a pretty simple concept and it should explain their motives.

Pretty odd way to rebuild while unloading your entire farm

 

[cerealboi]

So long as you were unhappy when they dumped Miller and Chapman, I have no problems with being happy with this deal.

But if you were on board with selling last year and are on board with buying this year, than you're no better than the "In Bill We Trust" Patriots fans who will applaud any move Belichick ever does.

Dirt is happy with whatever move Cashman makes. If the move ends up not working out he'll blame it on Randy Levine or the Steinies.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Let me post a hypothetical for you.

I'm going to be a bit extreme for the sake of simplicity.

Let's say the Patriots trade their 2000 6th round draft pick to the Rams for a young Tory Holt.

Then the Rams draft Tom Brady with the same pick and instead of handing the reigns to Mark Bulger, they give the reigns to Tom Brady.

Does the fact that the Rams struck gold with a low value draft pick change the fact that they traded away a borderline hall of fame receiver for a low value draft pick, simply because they lucked into Tom Brady with it?

No. It doesn't.



The Patriots got lucky with Trey Flowers. Doesn't mean that they got good value with a 4th round pick for a guy they sorely missed in a failed Super Bowl run a year later.

All you did was stretch the value to an extreme. The Patriots traded away a 32 year old guard for a 4th round pick, not close to a 24 year old WR for a 6th round pick. That's just being disingenuous.

And the Patriots are still better off since Mankins left than they would have been with Mankins. So how did they not win the deal?

 

[$500 Million]

Pretty odd way to rebuild while unloading your entire farm

Jesus H Christ


You guys, there are plenty of ways to learn why the Yankees did this deal. I don't have all day to teach you, please do some research and educate yourselves.

have a nice day.

 

[soxfan1468927]

The Red Sox didn't sell one year and buy the next despite being in nearly identical situations in each season.

Cashman couldn't, or wasn't allowed, to stay the course. For whatever reason.

Maybe they're trying to capitalize on the Aaron Judge hype. Who knows.

But they went from "build for the future" to the opposite in no time, flat.

There's the problem though, they aren't identical situations. Not even close.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

The Red Sox didn't sell one year and buy the next despite being in nearly identical situations in each season.

Cashman couldn't, or wasn't allowed, to stay the course. For whatever reason.

Maybe they're trying to capitalize on the Aaron Judge hype. Who knows.

But they went from "build for the future" to the opposite in no time, flat.

Well, obviously you wont grasp the concept that they are a better team this season than last, are in a much better position to make the postseason, and they still have a loaded farm system

And on top of that, they have control of the 2 bullpen arms in 2018, when they will be even further along in their quest to win a title

Win win all around

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Dirt is happy with whatever move Cashman makes. If the move ends up not working out he'll blame it on Randy Levine or the Steinies.

The opinion around the game about Cashman is the same opinion Dirt has, and the opposite of yours

Another "Boston is right, everyone else is wrong" example

 

[soxfan1468927]

Think that would have to be Devers

Untouchable. I mentioned this before. The Sox aren't giving up the 3rd baseman of the future to get a 3rd base rental. It makes no sense. Not even Dombrowski would be that dumb.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

There's the problem though, they aren't identical situations. Not even close.

He knows, we are at the bitter Red Sox fan stage of this discussion

 

[AlpacaWine]

Yes you do, he had virtually no shot at making the MLB team anytime soon (if at all) and the BP is in need of help, these BP arms they got are signed through next year.

Dumping quality prospects because they have "virtually no shot at making the MLB team anytime soon" is what's known as the opposite of rebuilding.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Pretty odd way to rebuild while unloading your entire farm

"Yankees prospects all suck"

BlackFrancis yesterday

 

[cerealboi]

The opinion around the game about Cashman is the same opinion Dirt has, and the opposite of yours

Another "Boston is right, everyone else is wrong" example

overrrrrrrrrrrrated. 1 championship in the last 15 years with an unlimited budget.

 

[AlpacaWine]

Dirt is happy with whatever move Cashman makes. If the move ends up not working out he'll blame it on Randy Levine or the Steinies.

I have been hearing that from a lot of people.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Dumping quality prospects because they have "virtually no shot at making the MLB team anytime soon" is what's known as the opposite of rebuilding.

They are only quality prospects now because they arent Yankees anymore

 

[navamind]

who cares NFL is gay