MLB Daily Thread: 07-17-17: Yanks and Sox split series and Dodgers keep on rolling

[Rock Strongo]

Mets are starting their second-half "not-really-a-run-but-everyone-will-think-it's-a-run-till-the-last-possible-second" run

is rosario coming up?

 

[redseat]

Tomase: After another punchless loss, Todd Frazier vs. Rafael Devers debate heats up

Yup, much younger, a lot cheaper.. Can play defense,team control..... versus - aging player, high salary with huge questions marks at plate

 

[Rock Strongo]

Yup, much younger, a lot cheaper.. Can play defense,team control..... versus - aging player, high salary with huge questions marks at plate

if you read it tho...compelling for both cases:


Frazier is the safer choice, a two-time All-Star who's only one season removed from hitting 40 homers. His right-handed power should play in Fenway Park, and he's a solid, albeit unspectacular defender.

The 31-year-old began Sunday hitting .210 with 16 homers and a .769 OPS, but his numbers are a tad deceiving. Since the start of June, he's hitting .242 with nine homers and an .896 OPS. He's also walking a lot (.367 OBP) and has suffered some potential bad luck in the form of a .250 batting average on balls in play, combined with an average exit velocity of 88.1 mph that ranks just behind Mookie Betts.

He's the safe choice, an established veteran with 30-homer power. He can also be had for virtually nothing, since he's just a two-month rental.

Devers, however, would be the bold choice. There's a reason Dombrowski refused to include him in the blockbuster Chris Sale deal this winter. He's putting up power numbers in the minors at age 20 that compare to some of the game's best sluggers. And though there's always a concern about a youngster transitioning to the big leagues -- particularly defensively -- it's hard not to be impressed by the play Devers made in his Triple-A debut, cutting across the diamond to barehand a roller and sling one across the diamond to record an Adrian Beltre-esque assist. It's the kind of play that makes you say, "That kid's a big league third baseman."

But is he one today? And can he make that play in a pennant race with virtually zero experience above Double-A? There's little point in the Red Sox taking that chance. The more prudent course of action is the obvious one: acquire Frazier, give him a month to upgrade third, and if it doesn't work out, Devers will still be there at Triple-A, awaiting his chance

 

[redseat]

if you read it tho...compelling for both cases:


Frazier is the safer choice, a two-time All-Star who's only one season removed from hitting 40 homers. His right-handed power should play in Fenway Park, and he's a solid, albeit unspectacular defender.

The 31-year-old began Sunday hitting .210 with 16 homers and a .769 OPS, but his numbers are a tad deceiving. Since the start of June, he's hitting .242 with nine homers and an .896 OPS. He's also walking a lot (.367 OBP) and has suffered some potential bad luck in the form of a .250 batting average on balls in play, combined with an average exit velocity of 88.1 mph that ranks just behind Mookie Betts.

He's the safe choice, an established veteran with 30-homer power. He can also be had for virtually nothing, since he's just a two-month rental.

Devers, however, would be the bold choice. There's a reason Dombrowski refused to include him in the blockbuster Chris Sale deal this winter. He's putting up power numbers in the minors at age 20 that compare to some of the game's best sluggers. And though there's always a concern about a youngster transitioning to the big leagues -- particularly defensively -- it's hard not to be impressed by the play Devers made in his Triple-A debut, cutting across the diamond to barehand a roller and sling one across the diamond to record an Adrian Beltre-esque assist. It's the kind of play that makes you say, "That kid's a big league third baseman."

But is he one today? And can he make that play in a pennant race with virtually zero experience above Double-A? There's little point in the Red Sox taking that chance. The more prudent course of action is the obvious one: acquire Frazier, give him a month to upgrade third, and if it doesn't work out, Devers will still be there at Triple-A, awaiting his chance

Yes compelling points but again, just because he has proven it, doesn't mean he can continue.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

if you read it tho...compelling for both cases:


Frazier is the safer choice, a two-time All-Star who's only one season removed from hitting 40 homers. His right-handed power should play in Fenway Park, and he's a solid, albeit unspectacular defender.

The 31-year-old began Sunday hitting .210 with 16 homers and a .769 OPS, but his numbers are a tad deceiving. Since the start of June, he's hitting .242 with nine homers and an .896 OPS. He's also walking a lot (.367 OBP) and has suffered some potential bad luck in the form of a .250 batting average on balls in play, combined with an average exit velocity of 88.1 mph that ranks just behind Mookie Betts.

He's the safe choice, an established veteran with 30-homer power. He can also be had for virtually nothing, since he's just a two-month rental.

Devers, however, would be the bold choice. There's a reason Dombrowski refused to include him in the blockbuster Chris Sale deal this winter. He's putting up power numbers in the minors at age 20 that compare to some of the game's best sluggers. And though there's always a concern about a youngster transitioning to the big leagues -- particularly defensively -- it's hard not to be impressed by the play Devers made in his Triple-A debut, cutting across the diamond to barehand a roller and sling one across the diamond to record an Adrian Beltre-esque assist. It's the kind of play that makes you say, "That kid's a big league third baseman."

But is he one today? And can he make that play in a pennant race with virtually zero experience above Double-A? There's little point in the Red Sox taking that chance. The more prudent course of action is the obvious one: acquire Frazier, give him a month to upgrade third, and if it doesn't work out, Devers will still be there at Triple-A, awaiting his chance

There lies the problem for a "Win now" team........What if Devers comes up and looks like Aaron Judge 2016, even if he does turn into Aaron Judge 2017 ?

Can the Sox afford to let him go through his growing pains while they are trying to win a World Series THIS season?

I think Frazier happens

 

[Rock Strongo]

There lies the problem for a "Win now" team........What if Devers comes up and looks like Aaron Judge 2016, even if he does turn into Aaron Judge 2017 ?

Can the Sox afford to let him go through his growing pains while they are trying to win a World Series THIS season?

I think Frazier happens

it wouldnt upset me. devers gets called up either way, its just a matter of when.

part of me wants to avoid a moncada again, but part of me also believes devers is FAR better...and the AB's before the postseason only help.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

is rosario coming up?

Nope. I don't think he comes up till September.

Even if he did come up sooner, the Mets would have to move some other vet, most likely Asdrubal Cabrera, and then Rosario would still have to split time with Reyes.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

it wouldnt upset me. devers gets called up either way, its just a matter of when.

part of me wants to avoid a moncada again, but part of me also believes devers is FAR better...and the AB's before the postseason only help.

Tough call, that team needs some offense if they are gonna survive not only in the postseason, but just to get there.....

 

[redseat]

Tough call, that team needs some offense if they are gonna survive not only in the postseason, but just to get there.....

This is true... But If Devers keeps it up I'd rather have him

 

[Rock Strongo]

the braves may have their best OFer since andru jones, and hes going to come up at 19 if things pan out. ronald acuna. remember that name.

blew thru 3 levels this year. in AAA.

strikes out a shit ton, but the promise is there (100 k's, 30 walks, 3 levels this year)

 

[redseat]

Quintana solid in his outing with the Cubs

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

the braves may have their best OFer since andru jones, and hes going to come up at 19 if things pan out. ronald acuna. remember that name.

blew thru 3 levels this year. in AAA.

strikes out a shit ton, but the promise is there (100 k's, 30 walks, 3 levels this year)

Braves are playing .500 ball now, and reports are they are in on Sonny Gray

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Quintana solid in his outing with the Cubs

I know he faced the O's, but he will probably dominate that NL

 

[redseat]

@Rock Strongo I was in shock watching Price as well. I so hope this is a preview of things to come

 

[redseat]

I know he faced the O's, but he will probably dominate that NL

Yeah, I think he will be. Won't help the Cubs get to the World Series as I think they are too far out but he will make their record respectable

 

[Rock Strongo]

@Rock Strongo I was in shock watching Price as well. I so hope this is a preview of things to come

prices last 5 starts:

3-2
1.91 ERA
.236 BA against
66% of pitches for strikes

AND a .316 BaBIP, which means he should be doing even better.

 

[redseat]

prices last 5 starts:

3-2
1.91 ERA
.236 BA against
66% of pitches for strikes

AND a .316 BaBIP, which means he should be doing even better.

Impressive... Wonder if Sale has tried to calm him down or anything like that.

Also - wonder if that blow-up against Eck turned him around... In Price's defense you can't understand a word Eck say's

 

[Rock Strongo]

Impressive... Wonder if Sale has tried to calm him down or anything like that.

Also - wonder if that blow-up against Eck turned him around... In Price's defense you can't understand a word Eck say's

"hairy cheese"

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

prices last 5 starts:

3-2
1.91 ERA
.236 BA against
66% of pitches for strikes

AND a .316 BaBIP, which means he should be doing even better.

I think CC has a less than one ERA in his last _________ Starts

Not sure, but its a few

Cant believe the pitcher he's become

 

[Rock Strongo]

I think CC has a less than one ERA in his last _________ Starts

Not sure, but its a few

Cant believe the pitcher he's become

unreal he keeps going. hes REALLY learned to "pitch". he used to throw hard.

CC's last 5 starts (27 IP to prices 30 over that stretch)

3-2
1.67 ERA
.189 BA against
.230 BaBIP (see prices at .316)