2019-2020 Official Regular Season Thread

msgkings322 · Jan 21, 2020

bksballer89 said:
No

Are you sure? We see this post from you every year.

msgkings322 · Jan 21, 2020

dtgold88 said:
seriously...what is he contributing?

Does it matter when it comes to our team? Not really, since we each spent half (or nearly half) a decade with title level teams. But when comparing 2 players, yeah, thinking what they do on different kinds of teams matters.

I mean, if asked to compare 2 other players from bad teams I could offer an opinion.

I know you could, believe me we all know that.

bksballer89 · Jan 21, 2020

msgkings322 said:
Are you sure? We see this post from you every year.

The 6th seeded Nets were never in contention for a top 2 or 3 seed last year so I know that's a lie. Probably said it for the West but the East was never this competitive in a while.

No need to lie on me

trojanfan12 · Jan 21, 2020

dtgold88 said:
Does it matter when it comes to our team? Not really, since we each spent half (or nearly half) a decade with title level teams. But when comparing 2 players, yeah, thinking what they do on different kinds of teams matters.

One thing that has to be considered is that they are both in very different situations.

Barring some huge free agent signing that seems pretty unlikely, the Cavs are years away from even being a playoff contender, let alone a title contender.

Unless Kevin Love is content to spend the rest of his career babysitting kids and possibly never seeing the playoffs again, he has no choice but to play as well as possible.

Given his age and his contract, it's likely that his only chance of ever seeing the playoffs again, is to play well enough that a playoff contending team is willing to take on his contract.

Because both Steph and Klay are expected back next year, Draymond can effectively "take this season off" and just prepare for next season when the Warriors are likely to be contenders again.

I guess what I'm saying is that while Draymond's lack of production could be explained by a decline...it's also possible that he's not "all in" on this season.

Ftr, if that's the case, I disagree with it. But it also seems like a "Draymond thing to do".

bksballer89 · Jan 21, 2020

Would have been ROY if not for Morant

CitySushi · Jan 21, 2020

bksballer89 said:
Would have been ROY if not for Morant

Warriors definitely took the L not retaining him. Heat with the savvy move to sign him prior to the end of last season to keep him for this year.

CitySushi · Jan 21, 2020

trojanfan12 said:
One thing that has to be considered is that they are both in very different situations.

Barring some huge free agent signing that seems pretty unlikely, the Cavs are years away from even being a playoff contender, let alone a title contender.

Unless Kevin Love is content to spend the rest of his career babysitting kids and possibly never seeing the playoffs again, he has no choice but to play as well as possible.

Given his age and his contract, it's likely that his only chance of ever seeing the playoffs again, is to play well enough that a playoff contending team is willing to take on his contract.

Because both Steph and Klay are expected back next year, Draymond can effectively "take this season off" and just prepare for next season when the Warriors are likely to be contenders again.

I guess what I'm saying is that while Draymond's lack of production could be explained by a decline...it's also possible that he's not "all in" on this season.

Ftr, if that's the case, I disagree with it. But it also seems like a "Draymond thing to do".

Draymond is the ultimate company man this year, doing his job to aid the tank. Gotta respect the loyalty.

CitySushi · Jan 21, 2020

dtgold88 said:
seriously...what is he contributing?

Does it matter when it comes to our team? Not really, since we each spent half (or nearly half) a decade with title level teams. But when comparing 2 players, yeah, thinking what they do on different kinds of teams matters.

I mean, if asked to compare 2 other players from bad teams I could offer an opinion.

He's aiding in the tank. Probably the biggest contribution of his career to be honest. Could help sustain this organization way past his playing days.

msgkings322 · Jan 21, 2020

bksballer89 said:
The 6th seeded Nets were never in contention for a top 2 or 3 seed last year so I know that's a lie. Probably said it for the West but the East was never this competitive in a while.

No need to lie on me

Calm down, I just had the impression that there's not usually a lot of separation, especially before the ASB. And I was right regarding the West. Sheesh.

tlance · Jan 21, 2020

trojanfan12 said:
One thing that has to be considered is that they are both in very different situations.

Barring some huge free agent signing that seems pretty unlikely, the Cavs are years away from even being a playoff contender, let alone a title contender.

Unless Kevin Love is content to spend the rest of his career babysitting kids and possibly never seeing the playoffs again, he has no choice but to play as well as possible.

Given his age and his contract, it's likely that his only chance of ever seeing the playoffs again, is to play well enough that a playoff contending team is willing to take on his contract.

Because both Steph and Klay are expected back next year, Draymond can effectively "take this season off" and just prepare for next season when the Warriors are likely to be contenders again.

I guess what I'm saying is that while Draymond's lack of production could be explained by a decline...it's also possible that he's not "all in" on this season.

Ftr, if that's the case, I disagree with it. But it also seems like a "Draymond thing to do".

I think the truth is that he definitely isn’t the player he was in 2016.

But I am quite sure he is better than what we are seeing now. And not just because he is on a bad team.

shopson67 · Jan 21, 2020

tlance said:
And yet, his percentage says otherwise.

36% is far from elite

raptorlife4 · Jan 21, 2020

CitySushi said:
He's aiding in the tank. Probably the biggest contribution of his career to be honest. Could help sustain this organization way past his playing days.

aiding the tank by just being himself as well

trojanfan12 · Jan 21, 2020

tlance said:
I think the truth is that he definitely isn’t the player he was in 2016.

But I am quite sure he is better than what we are seeing now. And not just because he is on a bad team.

Yeah, I tend to agree with that. There's decline, but I don't think it's as much of one as it looks like right now.

One thing's for sure...we'll find out next year.

CitySushi · Jan 21, 2020

raptorlife4 said:
aiding the tank by just being himself as well

Quite possibly. Play making power forward with no one to set up kind of makes his production hard. Not like a career non scorer was all of a sudden going to average 20 a game.

bksballer89 · Jan 21, 2020

msgkings322 said:
Calm down, I just had the impression that there's not usually a lot of separation, especially before the ASB. And I was right regarding the West. Sheesh.

I'm very calm.

Not ready to put hands on you.......yet

msgkings322 · Jan 21, 2020

bksballer89 said:
I'm very calm.

Not ready to put hands on you.......yet

Must have some long ass hands to get me from Brooklyn

Black Adam · Jan 21, 2020

msgkings322 said:
Must have some long ass hands to get me from Brooklyn

guess that's why he's called "Mr. Fantastic"... :heh:

trojanfan12 · Jan 21, 2020

CitySushi said:
Quite possibly. Play making power forward with no one to set up kind of makes his production hard. Not like a career non scorer was all of a sudden going to average 20 a game.

Yep. He may well have declined some since 2016. But, he also is only 29. So it seems a little early for a decline of any real significance, even with the mileage he's picked up over the past 5 years or so. I think it's certainly possible that he's had an early decline, but I think that what you suggest is probably more likely.

Draymond is more of a Swiss Army Knife type player. Because of that, keeping the ball moving and getting it to the right guy is a big part of what he does. His assists are going to suffer because he's not passing to Steph, Klay and KD anymore.

Also, his points per game would also suffer because he's never been a player known for his scoring and being able to create his own shot. He gets most of his points because teams couldn't leave Klay, Steph or KD to double him. It's more likely that a team would leave him to double them.

CitySushi · Jan 21, 2020

trojanfan12 said:
Yep. He may well have declined some since 2016. But, he also is only 29. So it seems a little early for a decline of any real significance, even with the mileage he's picked up over the past 5 years or so. I think it's certainly possible that he's had an early decline, but I think that what you suggest is probably more likely.

Draymond is more of a Swiss Army Knife type player. Because of that, keeping the ball moving and getting it to the right guy is a big part of what he does. His assists are going to suffer because he's not passing to Steph, Klay and KD anymore.

Also, his points per game would also suffer because he's never been a player known for his scoring and being able to create his own shot. He gets most of his points because teams couldn't leave Klay, Steph or KD to double him. It's more likely that a team would leave him to double them.

I think the best way to describe Draymond is an all-star level role player. When he's at his peak, he's incredibly valuable to those AROUND him. He's not the central cog, but he's a necessity to team success.

People make it out like it's a bad thing that he has a ceiling. Most players do. It's the ones who go outside of their lanes to try to do too much that end up faltering. Now I will say that next year he needs to come correct. He'll need to be in impeccable shape and return back to close to his DPOY form. 2017-2019, he slacked because KD was just a cheat code. He needs to get back to being 2015-2016 Draymond for this team to be successful.

CitySushi · Jan 21, 2020

bksballer89 said:
I'm very calm.

Not ready to put hands on you.......yet

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