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[deanpet21]

So is it a serious problem that bill bellicheck took Jason Richards over David Johnson just 20 picks earlier?

And you still have to realize why you're original claim that I quoted is ridiculous right?

Jason Richards is not a RB!!!! We were drafting a RB!!! That is the whole point. Its not ridiculous b/c we took a Rb. If we had taken another position I wouldn't say anything b/c he targeted another position. I would bet a good amount that SM had Jones higher on his board than Johnson, Duke Johnson, and Coleman.

 

[Ruzious]

We are doomed if Allen is in charge. And after how Allen handled the SM situation and with the Skins deplorable front offices during the Snyder years, what worthwhile GM candidate would want to come here?

 

[Sharkinva]

I don't give Bruce a pass at all. He passed on Jackson to draft Long. That was bad. You guys think SM was the greatest Gm ever and you are wrong. Shanny had a lot to do with the RG3 trade. At the time of Shanny Bruce was just a puppet. Shanny and Dan designed the Rg3 trade. Shanyy didn't want to give the last first round pick we gave up but Danny signed off on it. Cle offered more but the Rams took our deal.

The Haynesworth deal was bad but that was the number at the time.

You gave Sm credit for out success from the last two years and that is simply wrong. None of his pickups or drafted players had any sort of impact. I want a Gm who knows player talent. Not sticking up for Bruce at all but Sm was not that much better.

I love how you give the impression that this team is doomed. Its so far fetched. I am curious to see how this draft plays out. If the FA do anything to make this team better than you should be apologizing all over his board. You already wrote this team off for the 2017 season. You could be right but I am going to wait and see.

Again Dean, you miss the point. Scot even with all the in fighting left this team headed in the right direction. Before him we were headed into another two years of trying to force a good outcome from the BAD RG3 trade... which by the way Shanny was against no matter the cost. The only reason Kirk hasnt been signed long term is Bruce Allen, period. If this team regresses, you cant blame Scot, you have to blame Bruce... because he has once again whipped it out to show that he is in charge. I love how you seem to think we are so better off with a GM who couldnt pick talent if you put it on a 3x5 card and it was the only thing in the bowl.

So lets see if this team continues to move forward with guys Scot either picked, or chose to keep on roster. Guys like Crowder, Cravens and Fuller. Lets sit back and see what Bruce does as far as a long term solution at QB. Because any one besides you and Bruce Allens mom can see that the biggest positive change in this team over the last two years, was Bruce Allen NOT being responsible for the composition of the roster.

 

[deanpet21]

Again Dean, you miss the point. Scot even with all the in fighting left this team headed in the right direction. Before him we were headed into another two years of trying to force a good outcome from the BAD RG3 trade... which by the way Shanny was against no matter the cost. The only reason Kirk hasnt been signed long term is Bruce Allen, period. If this team regresses, you cant blame Scot, you have to blame Bruce... because he has once again whipped it out to show that he is in charge. I love how you seem to think we are so better off with a GM who couldnt pick talent if you put it on a 3x5 card and it was the only thing in the bowl.

So lets see if this team continues to move forward with guys Scot either picked, or chose to keep on roster. Guys like Crowder, Cravens and Fuller. Lets sit back and see what Bruce does as far as a long term solution at QB. Because any one besides you and Bruce Allens mom can see that the biggest positive change in this team over the last two years, was Bruce Allen NOT being responsible for the composition of the roster.

Its all speculation on who wanted or did want to sign KC to a long term deal. The Redskins organization was praised when we gave KC the tag. You are playing Monday Morning Qb on this issue Shark.

Your wrong go look at Allens last draft. How many starters and impactful players came from that draft?

 

[Sharkinva]

Its all speculation on who wanted or did want to sign KC to a long term deal. The Redskins organization was praised when we gave KC the tag. You are playing Monday Morning Qb on this issue Shark.

Your wrong go look at Allens last draft. How many starters and impactful players came from that draft?

So he hit about 50% with Shanahan assisting. Look at his OVER ALL level of talent drafted over his time here in DC. How many FAs did Bruce sign off on that were busts or close to it.

Like I said, the team was headed in a positive direction the last two years... if this team isnt in contention for the playoffs with your boy Bruce running shit... you can blame no one but him at this point.

 

[deanpet21]

So he hit about 50% with Shanahan assisting. Look at his OVER ALL level of talent drafted over his time here in DC. How many FAs did Bruce sign off on that were busts or close to it.

Like I said, the team was headed in a positive direction the last two years... if this team isnt in contention for the playoffs with your boy Bruce running shit... you can blame no one but him at this point.

We had huge cap problems after Sahnny left. cmon man. The NFC East is a lot tougher this year. You cant say that at all.

 

[Sharkinva]

We had huge cap problems after Sahnny left. cmon man. The NFC East is a lot tougher this year. You cant say that at all.

And WHO was in charge of the cap during that time period?? As I said, if this team does not IMPROVE, thats all on Bruce.

 

[deanpet21]

And WHO was in charge of the cap during that time period?? As I said, if this team does not IMPROVE, thats all on Bruce.

No its not. It should be on KC if this team doesn't improve. If you think KC is the greatest thing since sliced bread then we should improve.

 

[ehb5]

Jason Richards is not a RB!!!! We were drafting a RB!!! That is the whole point. Its not ridiculous b/c we took a Rb. If we had taken another position I wouldn't say anything b/c he targeted another position. I would bet a good amount that SM had Jones higher on his board than Johnson, Duke Johnson, and Coleman.

So what if hes not a RB. Belicheck took Richards because he thought he was more valuable than Johnson. He was wrong. According to your line of thinking that should be a serious problem too.

And the original quote I called you on was "SM was the only GM in the league who had Jones over Johnson". Are you still arguing that or do you admit that that's impossible for you to know?

 

[deanpet21]

So what if hes not a RB. Belicheck took Richards because he thought he was more valuable than Johnson. He was wrong. According to your line of thinking that should be a serious problem too.

And the original quote I called you on was "SM was the only GM in the league who had Jones over Johnson". Are you still arguing that or do you admit that that's impossible for you to know?

Of course I don't know that for sure but the way the draft panned out it seems like its true. BB valued safety at that the time we valued Rb at the time. So you cant compare the two. It proves that his Rb evaluations were awful.

 

[Sharkinva]

So what if hes not a RB. Belicheck took Richards because he thought he was more valuable than Johnson. He was wrong. According to your line of thinking that should be a serious problem too.

And the original quote I called you on was "SM was the only GM in the league who had Jones over Johnson". Are you still arguing that or do you admit that that's impossible for you to know?

IN Chess we call that Checkmate

 

[deanpet21]

IN Chess we call that Checkmate

lol. doesn't prove anything. you guys are nuts. you cant see how Sm blew the RB evualtion that is crazy.

 

[Sharkinva]

No its not. It should be on KC if this team doesn't improve. If you think KC is the greatest thing since sliced bread then we should improve.

So if the team improves, Scot should get no credit, we should apologize to Bruce Allen.

If the team regresses... its all Kirks fault??

Gotcha

 

[deanpet21]

So if the team improves, Scot should get no credit, we should apologize to Bruce Allen.

If the team regresses... its all Kirks fault??

Gotcha

much more complicated than that.

 

[ehb5]

Of course I don't know that for sure but the way the draft panned out it seems like its true. BB valued safety at that the time we valued Rb at the time. So you cant compare the two. It proves that his Rb evaluations were awful.

Then dont say it. This is your problem - you make absolute statements that are simply not provable and then you wont back away from them.

It doesnt matter what position they were. Bellicheck valued Richards over Johnson. This is a fact. Im sure you would agree too that he was wrong to do so. So therefore Bill Bellicheck, who I think we can all agree is a football genius, is also very wrong sometimes. It happens. So stop fixating on one stupid 3rd round pick.

 

[deanpet21]

Then dont say it. This is your problem - you make absolute statements that are simply not provable and then you wont back away from them.

It doesnt matter what position they were. Bellicheck valued Richards over Johnson. This is a fact. Im sure you would agree too that he was wrong to do so. So therefore Bill Bellicheck, who I think we can all agree is a football genius, is also very wrong sometimes. It happens. So stop fixating on one stupid 3rd round pick.

So teams don't draft for need? you are totally discounting that.

 

[ehb5]

So teams don't draft for need? you are totally discounting that.

No. I am not. Teams factor many things into who they will draft. Ultimately they select the player that they feel is most valuable for their team. So - knowing this, the Bellicheck clearly valued Richards more than David Johnson. Clearly, David Johnson would have been and would be much more valuable to the Patriots than Richards. Therefore, we can safely assume that BELLICHECK WAS WRONG to take Richards over Johnson. What part of that do you not agree with/understand? I think its all pretty straightforward.

 

[deanpet21]

Then dont say it. This is your problem - you make absolute statements that are simply not provable and then you wont back away from them.

It doesnt matter what position they were. Bellicheck valued Richards over Johnson. This is a fact. Im sure you would agree too that he was wrong to do so. So therefore Bill Bellicheck, who I think we can all agree is a football genius, is also very wrong sometimes. It happens. So stop fixating on one stupid 3rd round pick.

The position mattered b/c we ended up with Jones.

 

[deanpet21]

No. I am not. Teams factor many things into who they will draft. Ultimately they select the player that they feel is most valuable for their team. So - knowing this, the Bellicheck clearly valued Richards more than David Johnson. Clearly, David Johnson would have been and would be much more valuable to the Patriots than Richards. Therefore, we can safely assume that BELLICHECK WAS WRONG to take Richards over Johnson. What part of that do you not agree with/understand? I think its all pretty straightforward.

BB did not want a Rb at that point of the draft. We did. He fell in our lap and we passed on it. Its like when the Titans took Kevin Dyson over Randy Moss. Why cant you call out the Titans???

 

[deanpet21]

No. I am not. Teams factor many things into who they will draft. Ultimately they select the player that they feel is most valuable for their team. So - knowing this, the Bellicheck clearly valued Richards more than David Johnson. Clearly, David Johnson would have been and would be much more valuable to the Patriots than Richards. Therefore, we can safely assume that BELLICHECK WAS WRONG to take Richards over Johnson. What part of that do you not agree with/understand? I think its all pretty straightforward.

Johnson was bigger, faster, and stronger than Jones at all the pre draft analysis. Plus he is a great WR back and we passed on him.