2016-17 NBA Regular Season Thread

[larryjohn]

I'm so sick of hearing the Mozgov/Delly nonsense. If the Cavs front office is so great, why did they choose not to replace those 2? Both guys were done very early in July. They had nearly 3 months to find their replacements before preseason. They decided not to.

For $100M, they could have kept them. With the cap rules -- it would have cost Gilbert something like $250M to pay those two guys. (I don't know all cap details -- but I know to sign guys now, he has to pay 2.5X to pay guys.) They probably could have replaced them with similar talent for $100M/$250M.

That would be for 2 guys who would probably be outside the rotation in the finals/playoffs.

I think Gilbert is willing to spend a bunch of money -- but at some point -- he can't resign everybody -- and it would be stupid if he really just threw away money. But the Cavs would really like guys who would be eating up minutes right now. Last night they played Felder & Liggins to eat up minutes -- they might as well continue to do that even if it costs them a couple of games.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

@WiggyRuss

If you're so sure Bosh is good to go, and Heat sat him for selfish reasons, then I have an idea.

I say no team clears him.

Bet is loser doesn't post on SportsHoopla during this years playoffs.

Deal?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Trying to make sense of the sub-.500 Heat's 'historic' 10-game winning streak

 

[Bolts]

Congrats @Bolts great win....pretty nice having wins against hte Cavs and Warriors in the last couple weeks....

Watching that Cavs/Kings game the other day- it struck me that the Kings were playing hard, and playing team ball. IT seems like they are doing a pretty good job of that this year.

I used to think that they definitely should trade Cousins. After this year i dont think that anymore. - ESPECIALLY considering the new CBA where it makes it easier to keep him.

Cousins is one of the best in the league. He seems to be doing a little growing up- and you cant blame him for the Kings bad lotto picks.

It does seem like they've been playing hard for a couple weeks now, which could explain why they have played so many close games. But they still aren't winning a lot because the overall team talent level isn't great which leads to inconsistent basketball.
Cousins has really increased his passing recently, but there are still too many bad turnovers, forced shots, and yells at the ref/technical fouls for my liking which can be improved. His bad attitude has had negative impacts on the team throughout the years, but you're right he can't be blamed for the team passing on star/superstar caliber players in the draft and choosing guys like Jimmer or T-Rob. There are reasons for and against keeping Cousins, but if the Kings keep making bad trades and draft picks it won't matter what they do with Boogie.

 

[trojanfan12]

the Cavs were never going to resign Mozgov. He had lost all confidence and didnt even play in the playoffs. If the Cavs are going to commit money to a guy he has to be a guy who plays in the playoffs- I think thats why they went and got Korver----Mozgov was a mess by the time he left- and considering how he has played in LA- the Cavs werent wrong.

Actually, he's been fine with the Lakers. The only problem is that his production doesn't match the money he makes. If he were being paid less, there would be no issue. So, the Cavs were wrong considering they could have had him for a good bit less than the Lakers are paying him. The production he has had in LA is pretty much all the Cavs need.

The Cavs don't need someone who can contribute in the playoffs. They need someone who can provide minutes and some rim protection for the regular season so guys can rest for the playoffs when the rotation gets shortened anyway.

 

[trojanfan12]

Nobody's

That's a bunch of crap. The Cavs could easily have re-signed both of them. They chose not to and now have Lebron whining for the very thing both would have provided.

Thus, it's the Cavs own fault that they are in the position they are.

 

[trojanfan12]

Ill simply for you.
There are salary caps, and rules.
You cant simply whine like James is now and be allowed to add payroll.
You can though, use Birds right, to keep players and go over the cap.

Cavs had what they now want.

Get it?

I doubt it.

 

[WiggyRuss]

That's a bunch of crap. The Cavs could easily have re-signed both of them. They chose not to and now have Lebron whining for the very thing both would have provided.

Thus, it's the Cavs own fault that they are in the position they are.

he Cavs "could easily have signed both of them"

you think it would have been a smart move to give Mozgov a bunch of money when he couldnt even get off the bench in the playoffs?

to play 17 minutes a game for them? lol. He obviously benefited a ton from playing with LeBron too.

if their was ANY hope of the Cavs resigning Mozgov it was blown out of the water when the Lakers decided to outbid everyone (including themselves) to sign him. -- as i said- Cavs simply were never going to pay a guy a bunch of money who had his ass stapled to the bench when it mattered most.

-ESPECIALLY when the Cavs already have the highest payroll in the history of the NBA- thanks Dan!


plus- Dellavadova technically didnt leave as a free agent- the Cavs traded him and created a trade exception which they eventually used in order to bring Korver aboard. Those are the type of creative moves the Cavs front office can execute in order to be able to CONTINUE to add players to a payroll thats been maxed out for years.

 

[trojanfan12]

For $100M, they could have kept them. With the cap rules -- it would have cost Gilbert something like $250M to pay those two guys. (I don't know all cap details -- but I know to sign guys now, he has to pay 2.5X to pay guys.) They probably could have replaced them with similar talent for $100M/$250M.

That would be for 2 guys who would probably be outside the rotation in the finals/playoffs.

I think Gilbert is willing to spend a bunch of money -- but at some point -- he can't resign everybody -- and it would be stupid if he really just threw away money. But the Cavs would really like guys who would be eating up minutes right now. Last night they played Felder & Liggins to eat up minutes -- they might as well continue to do that even if it costs them a couple of games.

It would also be 2 guys who would be providing the very thing that Lebron is currently whining about them lacking, especially Delly. It would also be 2 guys who have been to the playoffs with the Cavs the past 2 season and that their teammates were already familiar with. Barring a trade, who exactly are the Cavs going to get that will be part of a playoff rotation?

Folks can try and spin things however they want. But the fact is, Gilbert tried to save money despite money supposedly being no issue and now are scrambling to replace what they already had.

 

[trojanfan12]

he Cavs "could easily have signed both of them"

you think it would have been a smart move to give Mozgov a bunch of money when he couldnt even get off the bench in the playoffs?

to play 17 minutes a game for them? lol. He obviously benefited a ton from playing with LeBron too.

Are you really this stupid? They weren't going to have to pay Mozgov what the Lakers are paying him and what he would have been able to provide is exactly part of what the Cavs need right now. Which is exactly what has been posted and you have ignored because as usual, you're just trying to stir up shit.

Barring a trade that, at this point, seems unlikely, who exactly are the Cavs going to get that would be part of a playoff rotation?

 

[WiggyRuss]

It would also be 2 guys who would be providing the very thing that Lebron is currently whining about them lacking, especially Delly. It would also be 2 guys who have been to the playoffs with the Cavs the past 2 season and that their teammates were already familiar with. Barring a trade, who exactly are the Cavs going to get that will be part of a playoff rotation?

Folks can try and spin things however they want. But the fact is, Gilbert tried to save money despite money supposedly being no issue and now are scrambling to replace what they already had.

Delly didnt leave as a free agent.

he was going to until Griffin smartly engaged the Bucks in order to create a trade exception- of which they used in order to get Korver on the roster- who will play more than Delly did during a playoff run last year- ILL GUARANTEE YOU.

 

[WiggyRuss]

its not even EASY to be able to get a payroll as big as the Cavs--- once you get to the tax apron -it gets harder nd harder to add more money- as designed by the CBA- you have to be able to execute very smart moves like Griffin has- like the Delly "trade", like getting their 1st back from Portland, in order to trade a different first rounder.

Its not by accident that Dan Gilbert is paying the highest payroll in the history of the NBA this season- Griffin has been able to execute moves to get over the cap- another example is Frye last year. The only thing is- you gotta be willing to pay for it.

its why the Cavs have by far the highest payroll in the league this year- and have guys signed up for the foreseeable future. Why they are the defending champions- and 1st in the East.

 

[trojanfan12]

Delly didnt leave as a free agent.

he was going to until Griffin smartly engaged the Bucks in order to create a trade exception- of which they used in order to get Korver on the roster- who will play more than Delly did during a playoff run last year- ILL GUARANTEE YOU.

How he left doesn't matter. The fact is he's gone. The Cavs trading him away is even worse because Lebron is now whining for exactly what he would be providing and clearly what the rights to Albert Miralles isn't.

 

[trojanfan12]

its not even EASY to be able to get a payroll as big as the Cavs--- once you get to the tax apron -it gets harder nd harder to add more money- as designed by the CBA- you have to be able to execute very smart moves like Griffin has- like the Delly "trade", like getting their 1st back from Portland, in order to trade a different first rounder.

Its not by accident that Dan Gilbert is paying the highest payroll in the history of the NBA this season- Griffin has been able to execute moves to get over the cap- another example is Frye last year. The only thing is- you gotta be willing to pay for it.

its why the Cavs have by far the highest payroll in the league this year- and have guys signed up for the foreseeable future. Why they are the defending champions- and 1st in the East.

You've already posted this bullshit several times. Considering all the money being spent and the fact that the Cavs still don't have/can't seem to get the pieces Lebron is whining for (and that they already had), you're just making the Cavs look stupid.

 

[WiggyRuss]

James to Love - NBA.com

wow is this pass just disgusting.

this is exactly what LeBron was envisioning when he came back to Cleveland- defending his title, driving to the hoop- beating hte Knicks- and laying a PERFECT pass to All Star Kevin Love for 3.

you gotta love when it works out perfect like that.

his 3-pointer off an impossible, whirling, thread-the-needle assist from James with 44.4 seconds left put the Cavs up by eight, finishing things off.

"He's here for a reason, we know why he's here," James said when asked what the night could do for Love moving forward considering how shoddily the New Year has treated him thus far. "We know what he's capable of."



that was honestly one of the best passes i have seen LEBron make..unbelievable. You gotta enjoy watching this guy play.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

he Cavs "could easily have signed both of them"

you think it would have been a smart move to give Mozgov a bunch of money when he couldnt even get off the bench in the playoffs?

to play 17 minutes a game for them? lol. He obviously benefited a ton from playing with LeBron too.

if their was ANY hope of the Cavs resigning Mozgov it was blown out of the water when the Lakers decided to outbid everyone (including themselves) to sign him. -- as i said- Cavs simply were never going to pay a guy a bunch of money who had his ass stapled to the bench when it mattered most.

-ESPECIALLY when the Cavs already have the highest payroll in the history of the NBA- thanks Dan!


plus- Dellavadova technically didnt leave as a free agent- the Cavs traded him and created a trade exception which they eventually used in order to bring Korver aboard. Those are the type of creative moves the Cavs front office can execute in order to be able to CONTINUE to add players to a payroll thats been maxed out for years.

Cavs could use Delly much more now then they need Korver, and that is with JR injured.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Cavs could use Delly much more now then they need Korver, and that is with JR injured.

i dont agree at all. Delly didnt even hardly paly in the playoffs last year- I guarantee you Korver plays more and better minutes in the postseason then Delly did- and thats all that matters for the Cavs.

If the Cavs sat James the next month and were the 4 seed it wouldnt matter. lol. All that matters is what starts in May.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

he Cavs "could easily have signed both of them"

you think it would have been a smart move to give Mozgov a bunch of money when he couldnt even get off the bench in the playoffs?

to play 17 minutes a game for them? lol. He obviously benefited a ton from playing with LeBron too.

if their was ANY hope of the Cavs resigning Mozgov it was blown out of the water when the Lakers decided to outbid everyone (including themselves) to sign him. -- as i said- Cavs simply were never going to pay a guy a bunch of money who had his ass stapled to the bench when it mattered most.

-ESPECIALLY when the Cavs already have the highest payroll in the history of the NBA- thanks Dan!


plus- Dellavadova technically didnt leave as a free agent- the Cavs traded him and created a trade exception which they eventually used in order to bring Korver aboard. Those are the type of creative moves the Cavs front office can execute in order to be able to CONTINUE to add players to a payroll thats been maxed out for years.

Like with Tristan, Cavs had no cap space even if they wouldnt have signed him.
Same with Delly/Mozgov.
Cavs not signing them, didnt create any cap space.
Therefore, they gave up better talent then they now have, solely for financial reasons.

You told us for over 2 seasons that Gilbert would never do that.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

i dont agree at all. Delly didnt even hardly paly in the playoffs last year- I guarantee you Korver plays more and better minutes in the postseason then Delly did- and thats all that matters for the Cavs.

If the Cavs sat James the next month and were the 4 seed it wouldnt matter. lol. All that matters is what starts in May.

1. They had no clue JR would be injured

2. If thats the case, then why is James whining and playing more mpg then anyone in the league?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Like with Tristan, Cavs had no cap space even if they wouldnt have signed him.
Same with Delly/Mozgov.
Cavs not signing them, didnt create any cap space.
Therefore, they gave up better talent then they now have, solely for financial reasons.

You told us for over 2 seasons that Gilbert would never do that.

well with Delly they dealt him in order to get an exception that led them to Korver who will play more and better minutes in the post season.

As for Mozgov- he had his ass stapled to the bench- and was never coming back- after the Lakers bid against themselves for him that was doubly true. Frye is playing his minutes and is currently the BEST BIG MAN AT SHOOTING THE 3 IN THE ENTIRE NBA. Plays much better in the Cavs spacing system for LeBron. And predictably--- Mozgovs per minute numbers and % have dropped off precipitously. A center shooting under 51% who shoots no threes is pretty much a disaster offensively.