49ers could pursue Kirk Cousins regardless of Redskins' decision, report says

[countryroads316]

49ers could pursue Kirk Cousins regardless of Redskins' decision, report says


this is the problem paying Kirk Cousins a huge contract and I agree 100 percent with this quote

"Cousins is no longer a young QB who can develop much more," Iyer writes. "He'll turn 29 next August, and the prime and peak is already here. The Redskins need to be wary about overpaying him in relation to the returns.

 

[Sharkinva]

49ers could pursue Kirk Cousins regardless of Redskins' decision, report says


this is the problem paying Kirk Cousins a huge contract and I agree 100 percent with this quote

"Cousins is no longer a young QB who can develop much more," Iyer writes. "He'll turn 29 next August, and the prime and peak is already here. The Redskins need to be wary about overpaying him in relation to the returns.

So you peak out at throwing for 4500 yards and 27 passing TDs and 4 Rushing TDs per season since you became the starter.

Yep, we are screwed, time to suck and make a move to draft Darnold next season.

 

[countryroads316]

So you peak out at throwing for 4500 yards and 27 passing TDs and 4 Rushing TDs per season since you became the starter.

Yep, we are screwed, time to suck and make a move to draft Darnold next season.

with the receiving talent we had this year he still makes rookie mistakes

 

[Sharkinva]

with the receiving talent we had this year he still makes rookie mistakes

So does damn near every other QB in the league. But I get it, Cousins isnt Rogers, Prescott or Wilson. So its much more logical to hope he goes else where so we can trade up for Darnold next year.

 

[j_y19]

This has to be one of the most moronic articles I have ever read. On so many fronts.

 

[skinsdad62]

of course KC can improve quite a bit

 

[Stymietee]

So you peak out at throwing for 4500 yards and 27 passing TDs and 4 Rushing TDs per season since you became the starter.

Yep, we are screwed, time to suck and make a move to draft Darnold next season.

The "peak" spoken of here was in relation to his age and learning curve. In that regard 29 is just over middle age in relative terms or to be more succinct a time where learning begins to diminish as age increases.

 

[Sharkinva]

The "peak" spoken of here was in relation to his age and learning curve. In that regard 29 is just over middle age in relative terms or to be more succinct a time where learning begins to diminish as age increases.

Yea you are right, he cant possible improve or learn any more. So we are better of dealing him and making another mega trade for Darnold. Because thats worked out so well for us in the past.

 

[Stymietee]

Yea you are right, he cant possible improve or learn any more. So we are better of dealing him and making another mega trade for Darnold. Because thats worked out so well for us in the past.

That's an over exaggeration and you know it, if you want to take this step by step I'm with you, but you seem to want to also conflate two separate things with your Darnald remark. We can talk about what it would take to get Darnald, but first we finish talking about a learning curve that has nothing to do with him but another player.

SN: What happened to you today dude, attend the Trump inaugural and got depressed over his daunting depressing, boring address?

 

[Sharkinva]

That's an over exaggeration and you know it, if you want to take this step by step I'm with you, but you seem to want to also conflate two separate things with your Darnald remark. We can talk about what it would take to get Darnald, but first we finish talking about a learning curve that has nothing to do with him but another player.

SN: What happened to you today dude, attend the Trump inaugural and got depressed over his daunting depressing, boring address?

As to point one. IM not the one saying that Kirk has peaked. But even if he has, Im also not the one saying a QB capable of throwing for 4500 yards and 25 TD a season is some how not good enough because he hasnt shown the ability to carry the team when the defense was one of the worst in the league.


AS for Darnold.... he appears to be the type of QB the fan base is clamoring for. Mobile, flashy and if he does well, they guy we will see on Subways commercials.


As for Trump... IM actually pleased he won. I didnt need to watch a rah rah we shall over come and unite speech. For the last eight years I got to listen to "give a brother a fare chance" while i watched my taxes go up for shit that never did dick for me and mine. Funny how the only times shit got tight around my tank was when Bill and Obama were running things though.

 

[Stymietee]

As to point one. IM not the one saying that Kirk has peaked. But even if he has, Im also not the one saying a QB capable of throwing for 4500 yards and 25 TD a season is some how not good enough because he hasnt shown the ability to carry the team when the defense was one of the worst in the league.


AS for Darnold.... he appears to be the type of QB the fan base is clamoring for. Mobile, flashy and if he does well, they guy we will see on Subways commercials.


As for Trump... IM actually pleased he won. I didnt need to watch a rah rah we shall over come and unite speech. For the last eight years I got to listen to "give a brother a fare chance" while i watched my taxes go up for shit that never did dick for me and mine. Funny how the only times shit got tight around my tank was when Bill and Obama were running things though.

As to point one. IM not the one saying that Kirk has peaked. But even if he has, Im also not the one saying a QB capable of throwing for 4500 yards and 25 TD a season is some how not good enough because he hasnt shown the ability to carry the team when the defense was one of the worst in the league.

Neither am I


AS for Darnold.... he appears to be the type of QB the fan base is clamoring for. Mobile, flashy and if he does well, they guy we will see on Subways commercials.

Maybe, or maybe those of us who are speaking of him are merely making an observation about the young man's talents vs those in this draft class. I told you my strategy and knew that there would be some refutation of the same, which is why I insisted that anything beyond what I would offer is off the table.


As for Trump... IM actually pleased he won. I didnt need to watch a rah rah we shall over come and unite speech. For the last eight years I got to listen to "give a brother a fare chance" while i watched my taxes go up for shit that never did dick for me and mine. Funny how the only times shit got tight around my tank was when Bill and Obama were running things though

I gots nuthin'

 

[Sharkinva]

Maybe, or maybe those of us who are speaking of him are merely making an observation about the young man's talents vs those in this draft class. I told you my strategy and knew that there would be some refutation of the same, which is why I insisted that anything beyond what I would offer is off the table.

I will agree that he is more talented than the guys in this QB class, or so it would appear. In case you missed it, Im fine with a more traditional QB because it works in our system better than Darnold or any of the QBs in this current draft class. So either way I think if we move Kirk, Jay is not too far behind. And I know some will say.. fuck him, go get Beville. But I think people really under estimate just how much of Wilsons success is linked not to his ability, but the defense he has keeping him from NEEDING to play superman every week.

 

[Stymietee]

I will agree that he is more talented than the guys in this QB class, or so it would appear. In case you missed it, Im fine with a more traditional QB because it works in our system better than Darnold or any of the QBs in this current draft class. So either way I think if we move Kirk, Jay is not too far behind. And I know some will say.. fuck him, go get Beville. But I think people really under estimate just how much of Wilsons success is linked not to his ability, but the defense he has keeping him from NEEDING to play superman every week.

No argument, full disclosure I got on the Gruden bandwagon once he became HC, not my first choice back then because I believed that we needed someone who had a more serious, detailed approach to a balanced attack and sideline management, but OK Gruden was the pick, so as long as he is, that's my HC. BTW: my first choice back then was David Shaw HC Stanford.

 

[Sharkinva]

@Stymietee YOu guys have convinced me, Kirk aint worth what he is likely to ask for. Hell he might not even be worth what Oswiler got. He is Rex 2.0

On a good day, he can beat any one. But when we need him, he is sure to fail us.

Time to move on. Fuck I might not even resign him for Rg3 money at this point.

 

[Stymietee]

@Stymietee YOu guys have convinced me, Kirk aint worth what he is likely to ask for. Hell he might not even be worth what Oswiler got. He is Rex 2.0

On a good day, he can beat any one. But when we need him, he is sure to fail us.

Time to move on. Fuck I might not even resign him for Rg3 money at this point.

????????

 

[Breed]

The "peak" spoken of here was in relation to his age and learning curve. In that regard 29 is just over middle age in relative terms or to be more succinct a time where learning begins to diminish as age increases.

How does the ability to learn diminish at KC's age? Skill, speed, strength, ability, ability to com back after a physical game. Sure I can see all that going by the wayside eventually. You're never too old to learn as it realtes to football.

KC's physical peak may be leaving soon, though I doubt it. I'd saY he has another 5 gpood years left.

 

[Stymietee]

How does the ability to learn diminish at KC's age? Skill, speed, strength, ability, ability to com back after a physical game. Sure I can see all that going by the wayside eventually. You're never too old to learn as it realtes to football.

KC's physical peak may be leaving soon, though I doubt it. I'd saY he has another 5 gpood years left.

It's referring to his ability to learn more in the sense of the system. At some point all that's left to learn is what not to do, so in terms of picking up something new systematically, that peaks. So basically you become what you are if you're not already there. At this point we all we can really do is hope that Kirk can learn. Keep in mind we are talking about football, not life where the learning curve is endless.

 

[j_y19]

How does the ability to learn diminish at KC's age? Skill, speed, strength, ability, ability to com back after a physical game. Sure I can see all that going by the wayside eventually. You're never too old to learn as it realtes to football.

KC's physical peak may be leaving soon, though I doubt it. I'd saY he has another 5 gpood years left.

And that is why I said it was a moronic article.

To say a player can't improve after age 29 is idiotic. With every game, they learn and that alone improves them.

The author claims the redskins should be wary of re-signing Kirk, but then goes on to say how the 49ers might be willing to go all in on him. Another contradiction and moronic position......

 

[deanpet21]

And that is why I said it was a moronic article.

To say a player can't improve after age 29 is idiotic. With every game, they learn and that alone improves them.

The author claims the redskins should be wary of re-signing Kirk, but then goes on to say how the 49ers might be willing to go all in on him. Another contradiction and moronic position......

Im just curious. What is your position on KC. Are you all in on him and pay him whatever he wants? what if the 49ers offer him a significant amount over the Luck deal. Do we match it? Take the draft picks?

 

[Stymietee]

And that is why I said it was a moronic article.

To say a player can't improve after age 29 is idiotic. With every game, they learn and that alone improves them.

The author claims the redskins should be wary of re-signing Kirk, but then goes on to say how the 49ers might be willing to go all in on him. Another contradiction and moronic position......

Yea you are right, he cant possible improve or learn any more. So we are better of dealing him and making another mega trade for Darnold. Because thats worked out so well for us in the past.

I was just about to address this because I knew that the extremist of the world would go there. The NFL is a talent based league. This means that you go only as far as your talents take you. You don't acquire new talents, just become more proficient at what you're able to do. Therein lies the real question, can a QB with Kirk Cousins talent level become more proficient than he already is. As noted by many others here when touting his numbers, he's pretty efficient now between the twenty yard lines. What you and some others are actually saying is, Kirk can become a superstar by being even more proficient where he currently is less proficient. Kirk is a five year NFL player who now has two full seasons under his belt. We know that he can move the ball between the twenties, so any improvement will come as a result of being much more efficient 20 yards in. You take any of the top QB's in this league and combine them ONLY with the talent that Kirk CURRENTLY has and you're looking at minimum 40 touchdowns. Right now he averages 36 over two seasons, but inside those numbers tell the real story. In 2015 his TD total was 29, this year 25. Where's the improvement? Hell if you're going to insist on using the tired "IF" as in, if he had a better running game, if he had a better defense, etc. etc. Don't!! it's a specious argument, anyone C.O.U.L.D. get better, but in this instance, where's the evidence?

Here's his two starting years stats: (I've made red the areas where he could improve, notice anything?)

Yr G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int%

Lng 20+ 40+
2016 16 606 406 67.0 37.9 4,917 8.1 307.3 25 4.1 12 2.0 80 69 13
2015 16 543 379 69.8 33.9 4,166 7.7 260.4 29 5.3 11 2.0 78 50 8