Detroit Tigers Ongoing 2016 Thread

[SlinkyRedfoot]

If it does not translate into 15 wins....everyone can blame Ausmus and Mike Aviles.

I'd blame Little Ceasars. That pizza sucks ass.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

All I'm saying is, he's had 5 full seasons in the bigs, and his worst ERA prior to last year's 3.66 was 3.25. He's also had two seasons under 3.00.

Slinkton: Let's look at last year's stats.

Howard: It's not fair to look at just last year, that was his worst year ever; we should look at his whole career. I think he'll be around 3.50 ERA.

Slinkton: You're right, but instead of including his bumbling rookie numbers, let's look at stats from his last three seasons, which are even better. I think 3.50 is reasonable.

Howard: It's not fair to just look at last year.

Slinkton: Yeah, but... <scratches head>

 

[broncosmitty]

I'd blame Little Ceasars. That pizza sucks ass.

You no like warm crackers with cheese?

 

[Howie115]

Howard: It's not fair to just look at last year.

Slinkton: Yeah, but... <scratches head>

I was only clarifying for Iffy. The last post on the subject was not directed at you.

 

[Howie115]

I'd blame Little Ceasars. That pizza sucks ass.

I do agree with you there. There is a Little Caesar's two blocks from my house, and I still won't buy that shit.

 

[broncosmitty]

I agree. My life is too busy (most days), and I look to The Hoop for some intelligent conversation and news. The line up is better than some of the dribble posted on here.

Makes no sense for anyone to dislike having the lineup posted hours before game time. None.

Other than they wish they'd done it first. Which is prolly what really is at play there. Little bit of the jelly, I assume.

 

[Iffster]

Strangely, I have not seen a report (even before yesterday's game) of what exactly is wrong with Norris' back. The report yesterday was 'tightness'. I've had back tightness or 'back spasms' and they go away with exercise and maybe some medication. So what is the deal with Norris? Sleeping in his van? Sleeping with a girl - in his van? The Kama Sutra? A bad anchovies pizza from Little Ceasars? Anyone know?

 

[Iffster]

Did anyone go and check out the site that Vice brought up yesterday....faggottrolls.com? I'd never heard of it before he brought it up. I wish he had given us some info on it, as he seemed to be familiar with it. I wonder if it is a sports only site? I imagine Vice is an administrator at that site.

 

[Voltaire26]

Did anyone go and check out the site that Vice brought up yesterday....faggottrolls.com? I'd never heard of it before he brought it up. I wish he had given us some info on it, as he seemed to be familiar with it. I wonder if it is a sports only site? I imagine Vice is an administrator at that site.

Your strangely obsessed with the dude.

 

[Howie115]

Here are my completely unscientific, Tiger-homer-hopeful projections for the starters.

Verlander = 215 IP, 77 ER, 3.22 ERA
Zimmermann = 195 IP, 78 ER, 3.60 ERA
Sanchez = 160 IP, 72 ER, 4.05 ERA
Pelfrey = 170 IP, 87 ER, 4.60 ERA
Boyd/Greene/Norris = 200 IP, 106 ER, 4.77 ERA*

*Should be lower if Norris gets the bulk of the starts from this group.

Comes out to 420 runs in 940 IP, for a composite ERA of 4.02. I can live with that.

 

[MiamiVice]

Here are my completely unscientific, Tiger-homer-hopeful projections for the starters.

Verlander = 215 IP, 77 ER, 3.22 ERA
Zimmermann = 195 IP, 78 ER, 3.60 ERA
Sanchez = 160 IP, 72 ER, 4.05 ERA
Pelfrey = 170 IP, 87 ER, 4.60 ERA
Boyd/Greene/Norris = 200 IP, 106 ER, 4.77 ERA*

*Should be lower if Norris gets the bulk of the starts from this group.

Comes out to 420 runs in 940 IP, for a composite ERA of 4.02. I can live with that.

I think boyd and greene could easily out perform that.

 

[burfboy]

Oh he reappears...can't keep a promise. ..

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Here are my completely unscientific, Tiger-homer-hopeful projections for the starters.

Verlander = 215 IP, 77 ER, 3.22 ERA
Zimmermann = 195 IP, 78 ER, 3.60 ERA
Sanchez = 160 IP, 72 ER, 4.05 ERA
Pelfrey = 170 IP, 87 ER, 4.60 ERA
Boyd/Greene/Norris = 200 IP, 106 ER, 4.77 ERA*

*Should be lower if Norris gets the bulk of the starts from this group.

Comes out to 420 runs in 940 IP, for a composite ERA of 4.02. I can live with that.

Not terribly different from my post-Norris-back-dealio numbers.

JZ/JV - 390 IP - 3.65 ERA
AS - 150 IP - 3.99 ERA
MP - 140 IP - 4.50 ERA
DN - 131 IP - 4.20 ERA
MB/SG - 131 IP - 5.50 ERA

Total - 942 IP - 4.16 ERA

Even less if we dropped JZ to the 3.50 ERA we talked about yesterday which would get them to 942 IP w/ 4.10 ERA.

Now, I will say when I did my numbers, I felt I was giving the Tigers the benefit of the doubt in a few cases. You've done so slightly more. I wouldn't call your analysis full-blown homerism, but I do think every question mark in the Tigers rotation will have to fall to the positive side in order to reach these numbers.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I think boyd and greene could easily out perform that.

I would not use the word "easily" in this case.

Boyd and Greene have combined for about 220 ML innings with a 5.94 ERA. It's possible that things start to click for them both in 2016 and they combine for a 4.77 ERA or better, but to say they could "easily out perform that" takes some seriously blue and orange-colored glasses.

 

[Howie115]

I would not use the word "easily" in this case.

Boyd and Greene have combined for about 220 ML innings with a 5.94 ERA. It's possible that things start to click for them both in 2016 and they combine for a 4.77 ERA or better, but to say they could "easily out perform that" takes some seriously blue and orange-colored glasses.

I don't think Greene is nearly as bad as he showed last year. He pitched through some physical issues and should have shut things down a lot earlier than he did. But I'm not sold on Boyd as an MLB pitcher yet. So I figured around 5.00 for those two (one or both filling in for Sanchez at some point), with Norris bringing the group total down.

 

[Howie115]

Not terribly different from my post-Norris-back-dealio numbers.

I realized that when I posted. My biggest drop is in the 5.50 MB/SG number you projected. And I have more confidence in Verlander than you do.

 

[MiamiVice]

I would not use the word "easily" in this case.

Boyd and Greene have combined for about 220 ML innings with a 5.94 ERA. It's possible that things start to click for them both in 2016 and they combine for a 4.77 ERA or better, but to say they could "easily out perform that" takes some seriously blue and orange-colored glasses.

shane greene started 14 games in 2014 and had an era of 3.78. it really isn't that far fetched that he bounces back and has a respectable season.. he was injured last year... its not like he just had a shit year for no reason.

boyd's minor league numbers are on par with top end prospects. his stats across all the minor league levels including the upper minors show a much better pitcher than what he showed last year. a 4.77 era is probably being extremely pessimistic. it wouldn't surprise me at all if they both had era under 4 this year.

 

[Howie115]

boyd's minor league numbers are on par with top end prospects. his stats across all the minor league levels including the upper minors show a much better pitcher than what he showed last year.

I'm not from Missouri, but I guess I say, "Show Me." Boyd hasn't demonstrated the ability to get MLB hitters out consistently YET. Doesn't mean he won't.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

shane greene started 14 games in 2014 and had an era of 3.78. it really isn't that far fetched that he bounces back and has a respectable season.. he was injured last year... its not like he just had a shit year for no reason.

Yet you contend that Yan Gomes, who has a longer track record of better success across 2013-2014 and suffered a devastating injury in 2015, is "a bum."

Homersayswhat?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I'm not from Missouri, but I guess I say, "Show Me." Boyd hasn't demonstrated the ability to get MLB hitters out consistently YET. Doesn't mean he won't.

Exactly. It's possible, but I wouldn't be saying they could "easily" do it, and I certainly wouldn't be saying that I wouldn't be surprised if they both were among the top 25 pitchers in the AL this year as Vice just did. That's some seriously homer shit.

It is possible, but it would shock the fuck out of me if Boyd and Greene's ERAs both ranked in the top 25 in the AL. It would shock the fuck out of the Tigers' front office, too.