Important Question for the Board #1

[cdumler7]

I don't think we would have won the Super Bowl. Tebow was known as a guy that if the defense could keep things close that eventually in the last 5 minutes he would find a way to make some magic. First I don't see that as a sustainable way of operating as a team. I don't see us winning 12 games this year with that style of play. Second what we saw with Tebow is that the 2nd time a team played him they did much better at even stopping his magic from happening. Third part of us winning this Super Bowl was getting up big early in a couple of the games like 14-6 against the Pats and then 10-0 against the Panthers. It forced those teams to adjust when they were so used to getting that early lead and having their defense just dominate when teams were forced to pass all game long.

The QB that I do think is kicking himself right now though is Tyrod Taylor for not taking the deal with the Broncos. He would be a perfect fit in what Kubiak wants to do and with this defense behind him the Broncos could be going crazy right now with him on a cheap contract being able to keep the defense together.

 

[58crash]

Tim, we will hold the Panthers to 10 .. Can you get a few scores ?

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That personality would of IMO took this D to a whole new level .. They were bad assed but they really never got what I Call pumped !! You add in a Bad ass pumping you up on the other side of the ball and my god it just would not be fare to the other team ...

 

[58crash]

As for others that think our MLB'ers are not part of the magic... MLB'er's are cheap compared to positions

 

[Mingo]

I could have asked - Would this team win if Josh McDaniel was their coach?

 

[SpringStein]

Was that Importnat Question #2 - or does the series end after Important Question #1?!

 

[CEH]

Hopefully this Tebow talk is isolated to this thread . No one is going to convince me that Tebow as an NFL caliber QB. He flunked out of 4 NFL teams and the 15 yard slant pattern he threw that DT took 65 yards (top ten play for sure I was there) and that Dylan McCaffery throws every Friday night in a Valor high school game is going to convince me that Tebow is an NFL starting QB.

Plus he needed Phillip Rivers to beat OAK in the final week of the season because he could not muster 8 points to beat KC and fumbled on KC's 6 yards.

 

[DJ]

Yes. I have no doubt about it at all.

The only reason Tebow isn't on a team is because of the circus his presence brings. He's better than most of the backup QB's in the league and can easily fill in for a starter for 4-6 games.

 

[Mingo]

Was that Importnat Question #2 - or does the series end after Important Question #1?!

You can sure when Important Question #2 comes up - you will be aware of it.

 

[Malibu]

For your humble consideration - Could this Denver Broncos team - have won the Super Bowl with Tim Tebow as the starter?

ironically - this would have been the perfect team to run Tebow as a QB - with this defense, but I say yes to this question by saying even Springstein could have quarterbacked this Bronco team to a championship.

Tebow no. Brock yes and the Panther game wouldn't have been close. Manning can't move in the pocket. Manning can't move out of the pocket. Manning missed Daniels and Thomas open numerous times and that throw to Sanders that was intercepted was just sad. He had a great career but wasn't a factor in a positive way in the out come of there Super Bowl victory. On every 3rd down I wanted a run then punt. If Manning had to throw a ton the Broncos would have been in trouble. The defensive score and great field position bailed the Broncos offense and Manning out big time. So did the special teams. Manning was done last year. Not hate just facts. Wade Phillips is the man and getting rid of J.D.R. which I wanted years ago and got bashed for was a big key as well to this teams success. That goes for Montee Ball off this team as well. Knew he sucked from day one and one of Elway's mistakes in a great job overall he has done in drafting. Team is young and has a bright future depending on who they can keep or happen to leave. Great season and can't wait until next year. Peace out.

 

[megalodon30]

I could have asked - Would this team win if Josh McDaniel was their coach?

No way could he build a defense that good.

 

[megalodon30]

He flunked out of 4 NFL teams

To be fair, he never really got a shot with any of them. Even in Denver, when he took one of the worst teams to the playoffs all he got as a thank you was to be shipped off to an equally mediocre Jets team that didn't even give him a chance to start despite the fact Mark Sanchez was an utter failure.

 

[randymon]

Hopefully this Tebow talk is isolated to this thread . No one is going to convince me that Tebow as an NFL caliber QB. He flunked out of 4 NFL teams and the 15 yard slant pattern he threw that DT took 65 yards (top ten play for sure I was there) and that Dylan McCaffery throws every Friday night in a Valor high school game is going to convince me that Tebow is an NFL starting QB.

Plus he needed Phillip Rivers to beat OAK in the final week of the season because he could not muster 8 points to beat KC and fumbled on KC's 6 yards.

Lol. I agree. Hopefully this insane Tebow talk doesn't get passed here. Not sure some would be able to handle the ridicule a

To be fair, he never really got a shot with any of them. Even in Denver, when he took one of the worst teams to the playoffs all he got as a thank you was to be shipped off to an equally mediocre Jets team that didn't even give him a chance to start despite the fact Mark Sanchez was an utter failure.[/QUOTE
I like your last two words......sums up this post perfectly. Nice subliminal buddy

 

[SpiritOf77]

You're in a fox hole, in the heat of battle

Who do you want there with you - #15 in blue or #24 in white ??

 

[megalodon30]

You're in a fox hole, in the heat of battle

Who do you want there with you - #15 in blue or #24 in white ??

#24 looked like #1 going for that fumble a week ago.

 

[megalodon30]

I like your last two words......sums up this post perfectly.

So if my post was a failure, I guess you can refute it? Tebow's last start was a playoff game and hasn't started since. When has there ever been a QB, in his prime, that didn't get a shot to start with proven playoff success?

If that's not irrefutable proof Tebow didn't get a fair shot in the NFL, I don't know what is.

 

[WalkerBoh]

Yes. I have no doubt about it at all.

The only reason Tebow isn't on a team is because of the circus his presence brings. He's better than most of the backup QB's in the league and can easily fill in for a starter for 4-6 games.

If that were the case, he would be on an NFL team. The "circus" is irrelevant. It a sign that you should look elsewhere for employment when the guy who drafted you doesn't want you on the team. He was a flash in the pan, and that's it.

 

[Broncosr0k]

So if my post was a failure, I guess you can refute it? Tebow's last start was a playoff game and hasn't started since. When has there ever been a QB, in his prime, that didn't get a shot to start with proven playoff success?

If that's not irrefutable proof Tebow didn't get a fair shot in the NFL, I don't know what is.

Tim Tebow could have ridden the coattails of this defense like Manning did. Is that what you wanted? This team won in spite of QB play, not because of it. Not sure making the argument that this team could have won in spite of Tim Tebow therefore he is an NFL QB really holds water.

Tim Tebow had a chance here. He struggled and benefited from a good defense and some bonehead plays along the way. You say because he nailed an OT pass in blown coverage (one that any of us could have hit) that he is good. I will counter with that chiefs game to end the season. Needed all of 10 points to clinch the division. Instead we let KC win and needed luck to get division.

Tim Tebow had his chance. If you stack a top 5 defense around him and ask him not to do anything he can win you games. Not sure that is a sustainable game plan for years considering contracts and personnel needed coupled with Tebow's aggressive running style.

 

[megalodon30]

He struggled and benefited from a good defense and some bonehead plays along the way.

You mean like most young QBs do? Especially a guy a lot, if not most people said would struggle early in his career? Even the most ardent Tebow defender could see he wasn't day 1 starter ready early on. Despite that, he still managed to drag a terrible Broncos team to the playoffs.

You say because he nailed an OT pass in blown coverage

I'd rather put it as took advantage of a bad defensive call as good QBs ought to do but whatever.

Needed all of 10 points to clinch the division.

And I'll counter with Brock Osweiler having 4 scoring drives against the Raiders only to lose because all 4 scoring drives were field goals. All he needed was a measly 16 points at home, couldn't get it, and that loss nearly cost us home field advantage.

If you stack a top 5 defense around him and ask him not to do anything he can win you games.

Yet he made the playoffs with the #20 ranked D and #24 in scoring. Even with the run they had with some pretty good defensive performances, that D was far from top 5.

Not sure that is a sustainable game plan for years

Me either. But that's assuming that Tebow wouldn't improve at all throughout his career.

 

[WalkerBoh]

The original arguments are valid. Tebow "the winner" backed into the playoffs with luck. If he were a real NFL caliber QB who "just wins" he should have been able to beat the Chiefs with the AFC West championship on the line. The comparison to Osweiler, on the other hand, doesn't account for the play calling exercised. He also beat the Patriots. Something Tebow had no chance of doing.

As for Tebow not improving, that's no longer an assumption. Tebow has proven through his inability to make another NFL squad that he hit his ceiling before skidding to a 1-4 finish.

 

[CEH]

And I'll counter with Brock Osweiler having 4 scoring drives against the Raiders only to lose because all 4 scoring drives were field goals. All he needed was a measly 16 points at home, couldn't get it, and that loss nearly cost us home field advantage.


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Losing HFA is different than not making the playoffs.
Brock's moment where a win and they're in came against Cincy and they won.
Tebow's moment came against KC and Kyle Orton and they lost.