2015-16 NBA Eastern Conference OFFICIAL THREAD

[WiggyRuss]

This is why getting a guy like Julius Randle makes sense to me. This is not the NBA of 20 years ago- you dont NEED a big center- in fact- a lot of nights- its gonna slow you down.

A big center- clogs the lane, and a big center usually cant get out and cover an opposing big man if that big man can shoot- AND an opposing big center put in the high pick and roll just cant make the play most of the time. Whiteside is a classic example of both of these things.

Now Randle- who can play center on somenights at 6' 10" or 6' 9" or whatever he is- DOES have the athleticism to show hard on the pick and roll - and really- he might even be able to switch and do a decent job on a guard here or there- not for extended periods- but enough to keep them honest- when whiteside would just be useless on a switch.

So yes- Whiteside will block shots, and be a deturrer at the rim, but with the 3 pt shot, and his inability to be quick enough to guard all those pick and roll actions that basically the whole NBA is- you can see why the stats showed the Heat were not as good on defense with him.


and then offensively- and this is where It hink Whiteside COULD eventually improve is developing a post game- right now he has no post game. right now he has no passing game. You cant run an offense through him. And he doesnt stretch the floor. So what does he do offensively? sit in the lane and wait for put backs?

This skill set is just not one that works in the NBA nowadays. It just doesnt.

 

[bksballer89]

And he continues to ignore that the Heat defense was the best defense in January when Whiteside was on the court lmao.

No wonder everyone on here thinks you're a fuking joke

 

[bksballer89]

with the Heat allowing just 96.8 points per 100 possessions with Whiteside on the floor, and 102.7 points per 100 possessions with Whiteside off the court. That figure with Whiteside on the floor would have led the NBA in January.

In the 43 fourth-quarter minutes Whiteside played in January, Miami allowed just 86.5 points per 100 possessions.

 

[WiggyRuss]

It makes no sense to even speak with you about this topic because you're really really really stupid when it comes when it comes to Whiteside.

Calling him JJ Hickson is another stupid comment of yours. I absolutely love the way you just completely ignore the article listing Whiteside as the best Defensive player in January and the Heat defense incredible numbers when he was on the floor compared to when he was off. You clearly got something against Whiteside

i mean- do you understand what i am saying though?

you realize- in the modern NBA- versatility and athleticism is at a premium. You have seen it on the Heat- the best defenses are able to do some switching, and can guard out to the 3 pt line. Whiteside is very poor at those things. Its not his fault- hes a 270 pound 7 foot center- but 270 lb 7 foot centers- cant get out and show hard on a pick and roll- or switch onto a guard and hold their own. It just is what it is.

and the offensive thing just makes a ton of sense. Whiteside is pretty solid inthe pick and roll- so you could put him in that---- but you know- A. in the games I have seen they really dont call many post plays for Whiteside, and B. If they did- he cant pass back out of the post obviously- and he is an ineffiicent post scorer..... So - if you cant pass out of the post, and you dont have a post move that is at all efficient - and you cant shoot outside of 15 feet- what do you do in a modern offense? Basically you either clog the lane- or you are the roll guy in the pick and roll- and seriously- id MUCH rather have Bosh in that pick and roll than Whiteside.

Its just not a skill set that works in todays NBA.

 

[WiggyRuss]

with the Heat allowing just 96.8 points per 100 possessions with Whiteside on the floor, and 102.7 points per 100 possessions with Whiteside off the court. That figure with Whiteside on the floor would have led the NBA in January.

In the 43 fourth-quarter minutes Whiteside played in January, Miami allowed just 86.5 points per 100 possessions.

if he does it next month- thatll be 2 months.

 

[bksballer89]

Passing out the post is something you learn the more post plays you get called for you. There was a time where Tim Duncan was a shitty passer out of double teams early on his career.

Nobody knows if he can't pass out of the post because they barely run any post plays for him. You're assuming garbage as always. You don't even watch any Heat games which makes the fact that you're assuming BS about Whiteside passing that more funnier

 

[bksballer89]

Andre Drummond assist numbers in his career. 0.5, 0.4, 0.7, and 0.8

 

[WiggyRuss]

with the Heat allowing just 96.8 points per 100 possessions with Whiteside on the floor, and 102.7 points per 100 possessions with Whiteside off the court. That figure with Whiteside on the floor would have led the NBA in January.

In the 43 fourth-quarter minutes Whiteside played in January, Miami allowed just 86.5 points per 100 possessions.

do you have anything besides your one month of statistics?

Passing out the post is something you learn the more post plays you get called for you. There was a time where Tim Duncan was a shitty passer out of double teams early on his career.

Nobody knows if he can't pass out of the post because they barely run any post plays for him. You're assuming garbage as always. You don't even watch any Heat games which makes the fact that you're assuming BS about Whiteside passing that more funnier

Tim Duncan his rookie year 2.7 assists.

dude...Whiteside had 0.1 assists per game last year. Im serious I cant believe that is an actual stat. I mean- he took 387 shots last year- and had SIX assists.....that is not an error. IF THE ONLY TOUCHES HE EVER GOT were just his shots- he touched the ball 387 times- and had 6 assists. This year so far he has 344 shots and 14 assists--- just for comparison sake- Andre Drummond- had 55 assists last year, and has 40 thus far this year. Its not like Whiteside is just bad at this. It baffles my mind that its possible.

I mean- if you take 387 shots- what? you had to have the ball at least 500 times - and 6 assists??? its mind boggling.

you cant run an offense through a big that cant pass, has no post move, and cant shoot outside of 15 feet.

 

[bksballer89]

do you have anything besides your one month of statistics?

Tim Duncan his rookie year 2.7 assists.

dude...Whiteside had 0.1 assists per game last year. Im serious I cant believe that is an actual stat. I mean- he took 387 shots last year- and had SIX assists.....that is not an error. IF THE ONLY TOUCHES HE EVER GOT were just his shots- he touched the ball 387 times- and had 6 assists. This year so far he has 344 shots and 14 assists--- just for comparison sake- Andre Drummond- had 55 assists last year, and has 40 thus far this year. Its not like Whiteside is just bad at this. It baffles my mind that its possible.

I mean- if you take 387 shots- what? you had to have the ball at least 500 times - and 6 assists??? its mind boggling.

you cant run an offense through a big that cant pass, has no post move, and cant shoot outside of 15 feet.

Pretty sure Drummond get way more touches than Whiteside.

I'm not sure how many assist is any logical NBA fan expecting a big who get his points through P&R, lobs, and put backs from offensive rebounds to average.

 

[Black Adam]

Exactly. If everything falls perfectly in place and the Lakers manage to pull off getting Durant and Whiteside and then somehow get Westbrook the next year (as some have crazily suggested), then they could be back in title contention almost immediately.

However, assuming the above doesn't happen, which I seriously doubt it will, then I don't think Whiteside/DeRozan would be a bad step in moving back towards relevancy.

It would remind me of the 90's rebuild when they went through guys like Vlade Divac, Elden Campbell, Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel to get back into the playoffs. That ended up leading to Shaq/Kobe. None of those guys were still with the team when the Lakers started winning championships, but I don't think the 5 titles in the 2000's happen without them having been on the team.

well, let's see...

Russell
Clarkson
DeRozan
Randle
Whiteside...

imo ain't THAT shabby a line-up...

just sayin'...

 

[bksballer89]

Whiteside avg 8 shots per game. I'll say at least 6-7 of those shots are through P&R, ally from Wade, putbacks from offensive rebounding. The offense is not ran through him. He is a 4th option. You don't run plays for the 4th option. If he was the focal point of an offense getting nearly 15 shots a game like Drummond does then clearly the numbers would look different

 

[WiggyRuss]

Pretty sure Drummond get way more touches than Whiteside.

I'm not sure how many assist is any logical NBA fan expecting a big who get his points through P&R, lobs, and put backs from offensive rebounds to average.

im not saying he has to get assists- lots of bigs play fine with out it-

im saying- if your gonna give Whiteside 20 million a year- to be one of your 2-3 best players- his skill set is gonna make you play a certain way on offense- a way that the NBA is moving away from- and on defense he doesnt have the versatility to do the switching and showing on the pick and roll that is needed in todays league.

I dont see how he fits.....he could be used like a Bogut or a Mozgov- or like he is being used now---- but you could never run an offense through him because he cant pass, cant shoot, and has no reliable post move and clogs the lane-------

and if i am any team- the first thing i do every game is take my most versatile big man and put Whiteside in the high pick and roll over and over and over again--- which is what opponents are doing and usually having success.

 

[DJ Fieri]

For some fucking reason I thought NY and Boston would combine to go over 206.5 points.....

 

[bksballer89]

Yep no way a 26 year old in his 2nd NBA season can improve. Impossible

 

[trojanfan12]

It makes no sense to even speak with you about this topic because you're really really really stupid when it comes when it comes to basketball.

 

[Black Adam]

Whiteside is going to get a huge contract.

no doubt in MY mind...or anyone elses with a brain...

 

[WiggyRuss]

ill be very interested to see if he can improve that aspect of his game- the showing on the pick and rolls, and the - if not switching- then at least being able to extend out towards the 3pt line when he needs to depending on matchups.-- my instinct is- i dont know how you teach a 7 foot 265 lbs guy to run around picks....its just a matchup disadvantage...

15 years ago Whiteside is probably a multi time all star- that skill set is just dying in the NBA- and its not because "these guys just dont exist"- its because it just doesnt really work when you have 6'11" guys like Giannis and etc. that can switch everything and be such a boost defenses.

 

[WiggyRuss]

no doubt in MY mind...or anyone elses with a brain...

the last thing you want is Whiteside cloggin the lane for Russell. You want a big that space a little bit, that can switch on defense, that can run all the time....not a guy sitting in the lane.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

ill be very interested to see if he can improve that aspect of his game- the showing on the pick and rolls, and the - if not switching- then at least being able to extend out towards the 3pt line when he needs to depending on matchups.

15 years ago Whiteside is probably a multi time all star- that skill set is just dying in the NBA- and its not because "these guys just dont exist"- its because it just doesnt really work when you have 6'11" guys like Giannis and etc. that can switch everything and be such a boost defenses.

And Tristan, any year, in any decade, without James really is J.J Hickson.

Whiteside is elite in a few parts of his game, and lacking in a few others.
If he was a Cav, you'd be creaming yourself citing his window to improve is still wide open.
If you actually watched Heat games, you would know that other parts of his game have improved.
Instead, you point out assists, which is pretty ridiculous, because when Wade and the others are lobbing the ball to him, they are thinking he's going to jam it in or take a very short range shot.
You act like he should be kicking it back out to them.
He is our definition of Final Destination.

 

[Black Adam]

the last thing you want is Whiteside cloggin the lane for Russell. You want a big that space a little bit, that can switch on defense, that can run all the time....not a guy sitting in the lane.

thing is we have no idea IF the 2 of them could play with/off of each other. but from what I've seen it isn't QUITE like he's an athletic dead end. trust me, I've seen slower, less athletic centers...

and if he does well in the pick 'n' pop I certainly won't be complaining IF we do get him...