Arian Foster

[cdumler7]

No clue what Miller will get in money. I know that he will get more then Hillman though. I would have to asses needs and what else is out on the market. I was just asking a question. We won't have a lot of cash and Miami is going to want to re-sign Miller.

I think Miller is one of those guys who will get more money then his production because he is a durable RB, young can catch, block and run... He has a lot more upside then Hillman. Hillman is what he is. I think Miller's best days are still ahead. Right now he hasn't done enough to impress me, but stick him on a better team and he's probably a much better RB then his production in Miami.

I can assure you that Miller will get much more attention then Ronnie Hillman around the league when he hits the market.

RB market is usually low to begin with so it is possible we can afford him, but I am going to guess he is off the market before we have our own free agents which will be our top priority all situated.

Well looking at the RB contracts over the last couple of years I just can't see him demanding a ton. Yes I do agree he will have more teams wanting him than that of Hillman. At the same time when so many rookie RB's are coming in and making an impact day 1 teams will look at that and not want to pay much. I mean look at Moreno after his great year here with us. He ended up getting a 1-year prove it deal with Miami. Justin Forsett goes out and has a career year where he is 5th in rushing yards. He ended up getting a 3-year $9 million deal. So I can't see a RB who hasn't shown as much as Forsett did last year getting more money. Now given Forsett is just a bit older but still RB's even the top ones to hit the market are not really making much of anything.

 

[Draft Crazy]

A bit older? Lamar Miller is 24. Justin Forsett is 30. 29-30 is the age where a RB starts to hit his decline. 24 and 30 is a pretty significant different in terms of a RB's age.

In Forsett's case his first starting gig was at age 30, but he still had the age factor against him with a new contract.

No way Forsett was gonna get more then 3 million at age 30.

 

[cdumler7]

A bit older? Lamar Miller is 24. Justin Forsett is 30. 29-30 is the age where a RB starts to hit his decline. 24 and 30 is a pretty significant different in terms of a RB's age.

In Forsett's case his first starting gig was at age 30, but he still had the age factor against him with a new contract.

No way Forsett was gonna get more then 3 million at age 30.

Wear and tear to me plays a lot more into a RB than that of age. Forsett hadn't carried the ball over 118 times in any given season. Heck his first 5 years in the league you could add his carries together and they still wouldn't equal an entire season worth of carries. So essentially he has about 2 and a half years worth of carries on his body.

Again with the downgrade of the RB position none of them are getting huge contracts. I mean only 8 RB's in the entire NFL are making over $5 million a year. So I can't see Lamar Miller joining that group as he has shown nowhere near the talent of the bottom one on that list in Jamaal Charles. So to me the high end that Miller makes is $4 million a year and even there I question where he would get that much. Maybe Ryan Matthews type contract of 3-years/$11 million.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Ok, but you had previously said "age"... So was basing my response off age, not wear and tear...

Agree, wear and tear plays a role. Age does play a huge role as well, but if someone doesn't have a lot of wear and tear then can play a bit longer. You have to remember that wear or tear or not as we all get older we lose speed, we lose certain elements that we had when we were younger.

 

[cdumler7]

Ok, but you had previously said "age"... So was basing my response off age, not wear and tear...

Agree, wear and tear plays a role. Age does play a huge role as well, but if someone doesn't have a lot of wear and tear then can play a bit longer. You have to remember that wear or tear or not as we all get older we lose speed, we lose certain elements that we had when we were younger.

Right now the peak possible physical age for a male is 27 or 28. So yes there will be some decline but if there hasn't been a ton of wear and tear that decline will be a lot less dramatic. It is why a guy like Forsett if he can heal up I think he comes back and does well next year. Compared to a guy like Marshawn Lynch in that I think we have seen the end of him. He hit his wall.

So yes age and wear and tear all play into the equation. Again this is why I am in on the Alfred Morris train coming to Denver. You have experience yet youth in both age and wear and tear. He has shown more so than Miller that he can handle say 250-300 carries if called upon for the season. He won't have the explosiveness of a Miller but I think we would get better consistency from him.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Right. I am not debating Morris vs Miller. Like I said in a previous post. Neither get me excited, but I wouldn't be opposed to either as well. Morris does well in zone blocking.. Miller is very inconsistent but shows flashes at time where you think he is a bout to burst on the scene then he has a 15-20 yard game the next week. Not sure if it is the team he is on or if he is just that inconsistent.

I mean SpringStein can run a 4.3 at the age of 65, soooo.

 

[Mingo]

I mean SpringStein can run a 4.3 at the age of 65, soooo.

But only when a jealous husband is chasing him.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Yeah he's got that down pretty good by now.

 

[randymon]

Right. I am not debating Morris vs Miller. Like I said in a previous post. Neither get me excited, but I wouldn't be opposed to either as well. Morris does well in zone blocking.. Miller is very inconsistent but shows flashes at time where you think he is a bout to burst on the scene then he has a 15-20 yard game the next week. Not sure if it is the team he is on or if he is just that inconsistent.

I mean SpringStein can run a 4.3 at the age of 65, soooo.

I like Miller and would take him in heart beat over Morris. As far as Millers production you mentioned being great one wk and then crap next wk, that was more based on the OC. One wk he gets 25 touches 100+ yds and couple tds and recepts and then the next wk he only gets 8 touches. Pissed me off cause I had him on my fantasy teams. What really pissed me off when he got only a few touches, was he always had a good avg per attempt and they still dissed him!. Crazy. I blame it on the game plan or lack there of for his poor outings. But all that said......I`ll take Hilman over Miller anyway....That`s for you DC

 

[Draft Crazy]

LOL- Randy- I am hoping Ronnie Hillman breaks out for 200 yards the next 3 games (200 yards a game that is) and I get on your wagon... ..

Hey Derek Wolfe heard me crying about his play last year and picked it up in the 3-4... Maybe it will work again.

 

[SpiritOf77]

DC, you probably didn;t see my question in another thread for you ( .. but then again, this would be the first time someone ignored me ), but straying off topic for a sec -

Have you every chatted with or interviewed Calvin Pryor ?

 

[Draft Crazy]

DC, you probably didn;t see my question in another thread for you ( .. but then again, this would be the first time someone ignored me ), but straying off topic for a sec -

Have you every chatted with or interviewed Calvin Pryor ?

I did not see the question, sorry.

No. No contact with Pryor ever. Sorry

 

[Mingo]

Former NFL running back Lawrence Phillips found dead in prison

Here is the fate of a former 6th overall RB pick - you never know (but with Phillips - the NFL had no excuse for not knowing).

 

[Draft Crazy]

Very sad story. I always tell my grandkids that Lawrence Phillips is one of the best RB's that nobody of their generation will ever know because he never had the focus to show it on the field.

Ok I don't have grandkids, but Phillips is one of the best college RB's I ever remember watching when he was on the field. (He was suspendes so much in college)

A true sad story. I was always rooting for this guy to turn it around. His life was a train wreck.... The littlest things set the guy off. I wish he had gotten the help he needed. When I think of talented players who threw it all away Lawrence Phillips is always the first name I think of. This guy had greatness in him as a football player. Sadly, his off field issues impacted him in the NFL and eventually out of the NFL... After that it only got worse for him.

I was always wondering if a book on Lawrence Phillips would ever come out I would have bought it.

 

[randymon]

Very sad story. I always tell my grandkids that Lawrence Phillips is one of the best RB's that nobody of their generation will ever know because he never had the focus to show it on the field.

Ok I don't have grandkids, but Phillips is one of the best college RB's I ever remember watching when he was on the field. (He was suspendes so much in college)

A true sad story. I was always rooting for this guy to turn it around. His life was a train wreck.... The littlest things set the guy off. I wish he had gotten the help he needed. When I think of talented players who threw it all away Lawrence Phillips is always the first name I think of. This guy had greatness in him as a football player. Sadly, his off field issues impacted him in the NFL and eventually out of the NFL... After that it only got worse for him.

I was always wondering if a book on Lawrence Phillips would ever come out I would have bought it.

Yes. Wasn't it Coach Vermiel that took him under his wing with Rams and got very emotional when Phillips started his slide and eventual release?

 

[Draft Crazy]

Yup. Vermeil bailed him out of jail on draft day.

 

[Mingo]

Yes. Wasn't it Coach Vermiel that took him under his wing with Rams and got very emotional when Phillips started his slide and eventual release?

Vermiel was emotional about everything. Great coach - though.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Vermeil was sorta a ball baby!

 

[SpiritOf77]

Former NFL running back Lawrence Phillips found dead in prison
Here is the fate of a former 6th overall RB pick - you never know (but with Phillips - the NFL had no excuse for not knowing).

Really sad .... Very tragic in that no one has aspirations to grow up to be an unhappy and violent human being, to the point where you are locked in jail and the only way out is suicide .. Those frustrations must have been 100 fold considering he had all the opportunities and talent to be a star in the NFL ...

He needed help, but obviously didn't get the right kind

RIP

 

[randymon]

Really sad .... Very tragic in that no one has aspirations to grow up to be an unhappy and violent human being, to the point where you are locked in jail and the only way out is suicide .. Those frustrations must have been 100 fold considering he had all the opportunities and talent to be a star in the NFL ...

He needed help, but obviously didn't get the right kind

RIP

You know I kinda wonder if the new of Rams coming back to LA might of set things in motion with him. I mean it`s not like prison is not depressing enough, your looking at possible death sentence for killing cellmate and then this news comes up and maybe he started thinking how he just wasted his life and his opportunity he had with Rams/NFL/life and it just was too much for him. I don`t know but the timing seems a tad coincidental. I know if I was in his position and those memories came flooding back to me, I would be horribly depressed. Very sad indeed.