Did McCaffery actually break Sanders record?

[TheRobotDevil]

Barry had more touches so yeah, McCaffery broke it. However the touchdown differential tells the real story.

Sanders >>> McCaffery >>>>>>>> Sanders Jr.

Barrys record was base on the regular season. Carries are moot thats a part of the regular season. He could have had 20 more in the post season. Without the post season McCaffery is 215 yards short. Its not the record for most yards per carry. Its all purpose yards in a season. Being as berry stats were only reflective of the regular season. Do you feel McCaffery surpassing Sanders in yards during a post season game is on par with the guidelines set forth in the previous record. Or is that no different than an NFL player breaking a regular season record during game 1 of the playoffs?

 

[theboardref]

After A lot of discussion about McCaffery it was pointed out by @theboard ref that McCafferys "record" breaking year. Was "achieved" while playing 2 extra games. One being a regular season game and the other A CCG. Sanders numbers also do not reflect his bowl game vs Wyoming and I have yet to find a box score. There was only an 11 game schedule during Sanders record breaking season.All i have located is he rushed for 222 yards in the game. Without his receiving and return yards it makes it difficult to make a 12 game comparison. Albeit i think thats moot and the "record is very questionable. With the added games do you consider the record season as legitimate? Does it water down a historic record? IMO it would be different if McCaffery did it in 11 games like Sanders I can really consider it broken.

Barry Sanders 1988 Oklahoma State Cowboys 11 games played

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Bowl Stats not included that would be 12 games
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Christian McCaffery 2015 Stanford cardinal


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No record for McCassterisk***

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Because the NCAA said so. That's the most common logic you need. What other sports have bowl games? What other sport do you play in post season games that have no chance in resulting in the ultimate prize? College football is like no other sport. Even more so, it is up to the league/entity/whatever you want to call it to determine what numbers count, what wins, losses count, how you end up in a post season game in the first place and the NCAA has determined that this is how their records are set. You obviously can't live with that fact but it's a fact none the less.

Thats not logic thats an NCAA opinion which will always have bias. I want to keep this about the numbers and past precident.and it does not support McCafferyl egitimately breaking a regular season record without the use of a post season game

 

[SUBuddha]

`because the facts are black and white? I still haven't seen anything that supports McCaffery breaking the record within the guidelines set forth in the original record.

Then Henry did not break a record either, so why the hate for Ed's kid. If you are using the "logic" and numbers to say CMac did not do it, even if it is not the topic you want to talk about, I can say Henry did not break the record either. So both Henry and CMac suck.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

No record for McCassterisk***

I cant see justifying it but facts are facts.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Then Henry did not break a record either, so why the hate for Ed's kid. If you are using the "logic" and numbers to say CMac did not do it, even if it is not the topic you want to talk about, I can say Henry did not break the record either. So both Henry and CMac suck.

If the original record did not include post season games. And henry broke it in the CCG then I agree he did not break the record. And i never said either one suck. This thread isn't about knocking players. Its about whether the record actually complied wit the standards of the previous record

 

[TheDayMan]

I cant see justifying it but facts are facts.

So no record for sanders either, right?

 

[TBBishop]

`because the facts are black and white? I still haven't seen anything that supports McCaffery breaking the record within the guidelines set forth in the original record.

Yes you have. The plain and simple fact that it is a season record. That's what it is called, correct? It's not an 11 game record, it's a season record. You just keep trying to say the origianl record was only 11 games. We all know that but a season is not defined as 11 games, it just happened to be at the time. So unless you can find in the NCAA record books "11-game record" then it is a season record.

 

[SUBuddha]

If the original record did not include post season games. And henry broke it in the CCG then I agree he did not break the record

Ok so then I change my mind, give the trophy to the kid from Clemson, Henry and CMac are frauds. [/sarcasm]

 

[TheDayMan]

If the original record did not include post season games. And henry broke it in the CCG then I agree he did not break the record

The original record was on fewer than 11 games. Are you going to acknowledge this?

 

[TheRobotDevil]

The original record was on fewer than 11 games. Are you going to acknowledge this?

If the original record was based on less than 11 games i will acknowledge that. But did the original include stats from post season games? Barrys previous record did not

 

[TBBishop]

Thats not logic thats an NCAA opinion which will always have bias. I want to keep this about the numbers and past precident.and it does not support McCafferyl egitimately breaking a regular season record without the use of a post season game

Jesus Fucking Christ Man!!! How is it the NCAA's opinion? They set forth the standards. You don't corner the market on the facts. the NCAA tells us the facts. No matter how you view the NCAA, no matter how unfair you believe it is that a record can be broken while a guy is playing more games than another, it is fact. You can't change it.

 

[TBBishop]

If the original record was based on less than 11 games i will acknowledge that. But did the original include stats from post season games? Barrys previous record did not

No, no bowl games were counted until like 2002.

OK, so, Rutgers and Princeton played twice on 1869, the only 2 games played that season. Based on your logic the record holder couldn't have played more than 2 games.

 

[TheDayMan]

If the original record was based on less than 11 games i will acknowledge that. But did the original include stats from post season games? Barrys previous record did not

I have no idea, it's hard to find information on previous record holders. There's no question someone held that record with fewer than 11 games at some point, because before they played 11 games, they played 10. Shit's changed, and it changed before it changed. So I'll just leave it there. Argue what you want, just acknowledge by the logic you're using no records are legit. So you're argument is pointless to begin with, unless you do have some bias, that's the only reason you'd care about this one and not every other one.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

The original record was on fewer than 11 games. Are you going to acknowledge this?

10 games did not include post season no CCG. Which brings us back to the regular season stats again

 

[TheRobotDevil]

I have no idea, it's hard to find information on previous record holders. There's no question someone held that record with fewer than 11 games at some point, because before they played 11 games, they played 10. Shit's changed, and it changed before it changed. So I'll just leave it there. Argue what you want, just acknowledge by the logic you're using no records are legit. So you're argument is pointless to begin with, unless you do have some bias, that's the only reason you'd care about this one and not every other one.

I could only get as far back as the 50s so far. But everyone that held that record up to date so far has only had regular season stats included. Bowl stats and CCG were not added Was surprised the oldest I've found so far was a sun devil. Everyone else that passed him holds the same resume. Which to me sets the standard as regular season. Some info is there but some is buried

 

[TheDayMan]

10 games did not include post season no CCG. Which brings us back to the regular season stats again

Which brings us back to there are CCGs that count now...

 

[TheRobotDevil]

No, no bowl games were counted until like 2002.

OK, so, Rutgers and Princeton played twice on 1869, the only 2 games played that season. Based on your logic the record holder couldn't have played more than 2 games.

The only way that debunks my argument is with data that supports non regular season games included. I just rand it back to the 50s and not one player that held the record had bowls or CCGs included in their stats. Partly due oto practices set forth by the time periods but it stayed true to form .The regular season resume fits even stronger than before.

 

[TheDayMan]

I could only get as far back as the 50s so far. But everyone that held that record up to date so far has only had regular season stats included. Bowl stats and CCG were not added Was surprised the oldest I've found so far was a sun devil. Everyone else that passed him holds the same resume. Which to me sets the standard as regular season. Some info is there but some is buried

Okay, so now the number of games doesn't matter, as long as clarkson deems them regular season?

Alright man...

 

[TheDayMan]

Lol. That is just the definition of making shit up as you go to fit your argumnet...