If Or When Jay Gruden Gets Fired

[Tdog21Skins]

If or when Jay Gruden gets fired, I think our next head coach should be a defensive coach..but I highly doubt that because Dan Snyder likes the offensive stats. Some of the successful teams in the league has defensive coaches as their head coach, and you can see that these teams are usually physical.

Steelers - Mike Tomlin
Ravens - John Harbough
Patriots - Bill Belichick
Seattle - Pete Caroll
Cincinnati - Marvin Lewis
Carolina - Ron Rivera

Now there are some teams that has great offensive coaches

Kansas City - Andy Reid
Green Bay - Mike McCarthy
Arizona - Bruce Ariens

 

[skinz2winz]

Like I have mentioned recently, it wasn't just the 53 players on the field being evaluated the past 3 games. Games 1 & 2 get high marks for Gruden & Co. Game 3 a complete disaster for Gruden imo. So, the beat rolls on during this evaluation period of 13 more games.

 

[deanpet21]

How is it Grudens fault if KC cant hit a wide open Reed for 6? How is it Grudens fault when Matt JOnes fumbles in the endzone to force a touch back? HOw is it Grudens fault when KC cant hit a wide open Grant for 20 yards? Are you serious??? This loss was on KC. Gruden is just trying to sugarcoat it to keep his confidence up.

 

[Breed]

Guilt by association and another 2nd half where as a whole the team came up short. Gruden didn't throw that 1st possession in the 2nd half INT either. You gotta figure though that Gruden said something to Cuz at halftime about playing within himself, not to force anything, take what they give you, we're still right there with opportunity to win so don't do anything stupid yadda yadda yadda.

It started out nice, best field position of the game. Moved nicely into Giants territory and on a first down and no reason at all to force something, Cousins went ahead and forced something. In an odd way it almost showed that Gruden has no sway or pull on which way the team is going. He's just along for the ride and hoping things work out. That's not a good look imo. Not for the HC.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

This team came into a huge divisional game on national TV flat, they had no fired and played like it was a preseason game. They once again played dumb and gave away big plays with costly penalties. They look disorganized and ill prepared, see the delay game late.

That's on the coach.

 

[Stymietee]

I'm not sure if this is the appropriate time to talk about this or not, but I'll go along with the hypothetical just for kicks.

I totally disagree with the either or of this thread. How about a coach who knows what he wants in all three phases of the game? Since we are rebuilding why not someone who is also young enough and hungry enough to grow with the team? So, now you're wondering who the hell am I talking about.....well......I like David Shaw ( Stanford) He's young, smart, well versed in all phases of the game and, here's a couple of bonuses, loves big guys like SM and just might be able to bring along a QB that knows his system but needs seasoning for this level.....a local (Maryland) guy....Kevin Hogan.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I'm not sure if this is the appropriate time to talk about this or not, but I'll go along with the hypothetical just for kicks.

I totally disagree with the either or of this thread. How about a coach who knows what he wants in all three phases of the game? Since we are rebuilding why not someone who is also young enough and hungry enough to grow with the team? So, now you're wondering who the hell am I talking about.....well......I like David Shaw ( Stanford) He's young, smart, well versed in all phases of the game and, here's a couple of bonuses, loves big guys like SM and just might be able to bring along a QB that knows his system but needs seasoning for this level.....a local (Maryland) guy....Kevin Hogan.

Seems to like it Stanford, but I think he'd be a good NFL HC as well...OFC guy, but old school, pro style approach.

That said...Gruden should get a 3rd season imo regardless of the record this year and I'm not a Gruden guy...correct me if I'm wrong, it seems he never had any faith in RG3 from the beginning...not that RG3 gave anyone reason to believe in him recently, but you would think the incoming HC would have a clean sheet of paper attitude towards the players...initially anyway.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Seems to like it Stanford, but I think he'd be a good NFL HC as well...OFC guy, but old school, pro style approach.

That said...Gruden should get a 3rd season imo regardless of the record this year and I'm not a Gruden guy...correct me if I'm wrong, it seems he never had any faith in RG3 from the beginning...not that RG3 gave anyone reason to believe in him recently, but you would think the incoming HC would have a clean sheet of paper attitude towards the players...initially anyway.

Hard to say when he lost faith in Griffin. At the time of the hire he appeared excited but that may have been his schtick to get a 5 year deal out of the idiot owner. But he clearly lost faith early. But that's not the issue. The issue is does he get the most out of his team? Are they showing that they are moving in the right direction? Does he adjust well on the fly?

Doesn't appear to be getting a passing grade to me.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Hard to say when he lost faith in Griffin. At the time of the hire he appeared excited but that may have been his schtick to get a 5 year deal out of the idiot owner. But he clearly lost faith early. But that's not the issue. The issue is does he get the most out of his team? Are they showing that they are moving in the right direction? Does he adjust well on the fly?

Doesn't appear to be getting a passing grade to me.

You guys see KC and RG3 way more than I do, but from where I sit...RG3 is simply the more talented player, but needs refinement. Clearly he thought he was better than he was...wanted to be the man based off his rookie season achievement.

Not the issue...hard to answer your questions until he has some stability at QB...at the rate he's going, neither QB is getting developed to the point of being consistent...@ 1-1...he probably needs to stay with KC for a few more games, but if he does go back to RG3...he needs to stay with him the rest of the way and let the chips fall as they may.

 

[ehb5]

If or when Jay Gruden gets fired, I think our next head coach should be a defensive coach..but I highly doubt that because Dan Snyder likes the offensive stats. Some of the successful teams in the league has defensive coaches as their head coach, and you can see that these teams are usually physical.

Steelers - Mike Tomlin
Ravens - John Harbough
Patriots - Bill Belichick
Seattle - Pete Caroll
Cincinnati - Marvin Lewis
Carolina - Ron Rivera

Now there are some teams that has great offensive coaches

Kansas City - Andy Reid
Green Bay - Mike McCarthy
Arizona - Bruce Ariens

In a lot of ways I think it's more important that they can control a team, get them to play clean and hard, and understand things like clock management and 4th down/2pt decisions. Whether they are an offensive or defensive guy doesn't really matter.

 

[skinz2winz]

How is it Grudens fault if KC cant hit a wide open Reed for 6? How is it Grudens fault when Matt JOnes fumbles in the endzone to force a touch back? HOw is it Grudens fault when KC cant hit a wide open Grant for 20 yards? Are you serious??? This loss was on KC. Gruden is just trying to sugarcoat it to keep his confidence up.

Because its Gruden who thinks KC is an NFL QB, that's why.

 

[huskers1217]

How is it Grudens fault if KC cant hit a wide open Reed for 6? How is it Grudens fault when Matt JOnes fumbles in the endzone to force a touch back? HOw is it Grudens fault when KC cant hit a wide open Grant for 20 yards? Are you serious??? This loss was on KC. Gruden is just trying to sugarcoat it to keep his confidence up.

and if the rumors are true that RS wanted RGIII to start..then Gruden is the fall guy for that

 

[Mitziman]

Because its Gruden who thinks KC is an NFL QB, that's why.

Maybe, but that's the call of a GM. Gruden can only coach players he has to the best of his ability.

 

[skinz2winz]

Maybe, but that's the call of a GM. Gruden can only coach players he has to the best of his ability.

No it's not! The HC decides who plays and who doesn't. Just ask Alfred Morris...

 

[Mitziman]

No it's not! The HC decides who plays and who doesn't. Just ask Alfred Morris...

skinz...WTF? stay on point to your post...and, you call Gruden a "bumbling idiot"...wow, just wow.

 

[skinz2winz]

skinz...WTF? stay on point to your post...and, you call Gruden a "bumbling idiot"...wow, just wow.

Stay on point? This is exactly why I don't post much because everyone seems to have a stronger opinion than the next guy/gal. You said it was the GM who makes the call of who plays and who doesn't. This is obviously NOT true as the head coach makes that decision. Hell, Morris disappeared last night and has done nothing wrong to lose that much playing time.
My point about bumbling idiot Gruden was exemplified in his presser talking about Cousins being fine and everyone else around him having to play better. Well all be damned if that isn't the case regardless of who plays QB but last year when Griffin said the same thing, Gruden fired off at him telling him to focus and play his position and not worry about anyone else. While that may be true, he sure didn't defend his QB like he has Cousins after an awful performance and 2 lack luster performances before that.
Now Mitziman, should we sink to name calling more or just post our opinions and move on...

 

[j_y19]

Stay on point? This is exactly why I don't post much because everyone seems to have a stronger opinion than the next guy/gal. You said it was the GM who makes the call of who plays and who doesn't. This is obviously NOT true as the head coach makes that decision. Hell, Morris disappeared last night and has done nothing wrong to lose that much playing time.
My point about bumbling idiot Gruden was exemplified in his presser talking about Cousins being fine and everyone else around him having to play better. Well all be damned if that isn't the case regardless of who plays QB but last year when Griffin said the same thing, Gruden fired off at him telling him to focus and play his position and not worry about anyone else. While that may be true, he sure didn't defend his QB like he has Cousins after an awful performance and 2 lack luster performances before that.
Now Mitziman, should we sink to name calling more or just post our opinions and move on...

You don't see the difference between a player calling out his teammates when his play has also been poor and a coach calling out the team?

As for Morris, you are right. He has done nothing wrong. But sometimes even the good guys get replaced by better talent.

 

[Mitziman]

Stay on point? This is exactly why I don't post much because everyone seems to have a stronger opinion than the next guy/gal. You said it was the GM who makes the call of who plays and who doesn't. This is obviously NOT true as the head coach makes that decision. Hell, Morris disappeared last night and has done nothing wrong to lose that much playing time.
My point about bumbling idiot Gruden was exemplified in his presser talking about Cousins being fine and everyone else around him having to play better. Well all be damned if that isn't the case regardless of who plays QB but last year when Griffin said the same thing, Gruden fired off at him telling him to focus and play his position and not worry about anyone else. While that may be true, he sure didn't defend his QB like he has Cousins after an awful performance and 2 lack luster performances before that.
Now Mitziman, should we sink to name calling more or just post our opinions and move on...

Did I say the GM makes the calls on who plays? Am I the one who is name calling? Wasn't it YOU who called Gruden a "bumbling idiot"? I'm just here to defend the ones who cannot defend themselves with this pile of BS.

Move on Skinz...

 

[skinz2winz]

You don't see the difference between a player calling out his teammates when his play has also been poor and a coach calling out the team?

As for Morris, you are right. He has done nothing wrong. But sometimes even the good guys get replaced by better talent.

I certainly do see the difference JY and Griffin should have taken ALL responsibility and said nothing but he didn't, that's on him. He certainly got a tongue lashing from Gruden however, now that Gruden has named his starter based on KC showing up 2nd & 3rd stringers, he is looking like the idiot now and will have to take all the bullets that come his way for doing so. He can dance around Kirk's performance and point the finger all over the place but not holding KC responsible for poor performance will be on him, not anyone else.

 

[skinz2winz]

Did I say the GM makes the calls on who plays? Am I the one who is name calling? Wasn't it YOU who called Gruden a "bumbling idiot"? I'm just here to defend the ones who cannot defend themselves with this pile of BS.

Move on Skinz...

Why yes it was...here is your post.
"Maybe, but that's the call of a GM. Gruden can only coach players he has to the best of his ability".

You can move on...