Game Thread: Seattle Seahawks vs St. Louis Rams (Week 1)

[gohusk]

I do know Kam doesn't trip over his own feet and give them a cheap TD. I do know receivers wouldn't have been running across the middle without looking over their shoulders all day like they did. I do know Earl would have stayed more to his own assignments.

I sure do know the outcome would be different. If you have watched this D over the last 3 years you'd know too.

That doesn't mean that Bevell isn't responsible for his stupid ass play calling in key situations. What your saying is that Kam's job is to make up for Bevell's complete inability to adapt to the way the game is flowing or understand the current situation he's looking at. That makes absolutely no sense.

 

[BHF]

Garbage time?

If the rest, or even most, of the team was executing we turn those Rams TOs into a blow out.

 

[WizardHawk]

That doesn't mean that Bevell isn't responsible for his stupid ass play calling in key situations. What your saying is that Kam's job is to make up for Bevell's complete inability to adapt to the way the game is flowing or understand the current situation he's looking at. That makes absolutely no sense.

No, I said clearly that this is a defensive first team. They have lived and died by the play of their defense and the captain of that defense is sitting out and it's killing them. None of that isn't true. I dare you to refute it. You can't. And it killed them today. The offense has been the offense for years and they still get to SB's.

Kam killed your team today. Just accept it for what it is. I didn't say Bevell is awesome. I accept the offense is terrible. I can just see the obvious that the team doesn't lose with Kam there and playing the same offense with the same caller. It really is that clear to me.

 

[BHF]

Mmmm I not ready to cecede that. For sure the secondary needs work.

Me either, but...whoooooo...not feeling good about our odds. We were waaaaaaay too sloppy today.

 

[gohusk]

No, I said clearly that this is a defensive first team. They have lived and died by the play of their defense and the captain of that defense is sitting out and it's killing them. None of that isn't true. I dare you to refute it. You can't. And it killed them today. The offense has been the offense for years and they still get to SB's.

Kam killed your team today. Just accept it for what it is. I didn't say Bevell is awesome. I accept the offense is terrible. I can just see the obvious that the team doesn't lose with Kam there and playing the same offense with the same caller. It really is that clear to me.

So you think the play that we call all the time out of that formation was a good call? Or do you think that making up for Bevell's shortcomings is the right thing to do instead of going after an OC that knows what he's doing? This has nothing to do with Kam. he's an idiot. He's proven it over and over again, and I'm done with hoping the defense or Wilson's late game heroics can bail us out of his shortcomings.

 

[Doublejive]

Foles is a better QB than many give credit,when he was over at the Eagles and that hurry up offense it did not give him the time to execute like he would of been given on another team,he will fit very well with the Rams,what his time spent at Philly did give him was to make quick decisions which the Rams will benefit greatly imo.


Be prepared to watch Foles shock all the people that poo pooed him.

 

[Doublejive]

By the way i watched maybe half of the games last year of the Eagles.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Mmmm I not ready to cecede that. For sure the secondary needs work.

If our secondary made Foles look like and all star I'm sure Rodgers won't have much trouble.... Good news is a lot of it was straight up BLOWN coverages... That can be cleaned up... But without Kam ... ufffff. I just don't know..

 

[WizardHawk]

So you think the play that we call all the time out of that formation was a good call? Or do you think that making up for Bevell's shortcomings is the right thing to do instead of going after an OC that knows what he's doing? This has nothing to do with Kam. he's an idiot. He's proven it over and over again, and I'm done with hoping the defense or Wilson's late game heroics can bail us out of his shortcomings.

I already answered that before you typed it. I really can't be more clear. Even with the exact same calls they win with Kam in there. Period. He's what was missing.

I don't know why it's so hard for some to put any blame on a guy that is killing your own team. I'm not taking up the argument about Bevell because it doesn't matter in this case. If you have your full team out there you still win. That's not saying Bevell didn't call a bad play or hasn't had problems. That's just how you guys always project things.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

Or the fact that our entire LB corps forgot how to tackle.
Or Bevell seems to think that a bubble screen to Baldwin is a game breaking play.
Or the fact that our OL can't get any push when it matters.
Or our punt coverage team forgot what a lane was.
Or our QB has zero faith in our OL (and rightfully so) and makes panic throws that get picked.

Every unit, except maybe the FG unit, has plenty of blood on their hands today.

This is the one that just blew my mind. Cunningham was splitting defenders with ease and breaking tackle after tackle. Just an absolutely sloppy game defensively. Up until that last Rams TD I'm not sure the game would have changed THAT much without Kam. But I really doubt he fucks up that coverage. Still even with all that they had a great chance to win and as it often does the game came down to Bevel's shit play calling.

No way they beat Green Bay next week playing like this. Going to be tough to win 8 games playing like this.

Props to the Rams though, can't take anything away from them. They made a great stop at the end there.

 

[gohusk]

I already answered that before you typed it. I really can't be more clear. Even with the exact same calls they win with Kam in there. Period. He's what was missing.

I don't know why it's so hard for some to put any blame on a guy that is killing your own team. I'm not taking up the argument about Bevell because it doesn't matter in this case. If you have your full team out there you still win. That's not saying Bevell didn't call a bad play or hasn't had problems. That's just how you guys always project things.

What you're saying is that Kam's holdout absolves Bevell of any responsibility for his decisions. What does the starting SS have to do with the play calling from the OC?

 

[Logicallylethal]

Seahawks made a lot of undisciplined mistakes and still had EVERY opportunity to win the game

- Missed tackles that would have ended drives (3rd and 15 in particular KJ Wright on the Ram's first TD drive)
- Inability to convert in the red zone (1-4)
- Not utilizing/looking Graham's way early on when he had one on ones (twice he was completely open and likely would have scored a TD)
- Terrible punt coverage allowing Tavon Austin a free TD

All of that and all we had to do was hold them from scoring a TD with 2:30 left to win the game and Dion Bailey slips covering a softly lofted ball that he would have either batted down or made a play on.

Seahawks have played these ugly games before and have found ways to win. This time around we just shot ourselves in the foot way too many times. That and the ball just didn't bounce our way. How often does a player totally slip on a play like that. I am highly critical of Pete's decision to onside kick that but if the ball bounces our way that's game Seahawks.

Not the end of the world. Nothing new with the Seahawks. They struggle against the Rams on the road (2-4 now since Pete's tenure). We play ugly games sometimes. Just not our day to win it.

 

[chf]

GB doesn't scare me near as much, because GB's D isn't on that level.

Rogers will get his, but Seattle's O should have a much better time than they did in Stl.

 

[WizardHawk]

What you're saying is that Kam's holdout absolves Bevell of any responsibility for his decisions. What does the starting SS have to do with the play calling from the OC?

No. No matter how many times you attempt to put words in my mouth it's not going to work.

I'll say it again clearly. Even with bad play calls they STILL win that game with Kam. That's not giving a thumbs up to any other issues. No matter which stat or which call you want to question, just putting Kam instead of Bailey on that field today and Seattle has a W to open their campaign. That's all I've said and that's my opinion.

 

[chf]

Did Clark play much at all? I didn't hear his name called all day.

 

[Cloud]

Seahawks made a lot of undisciplined mistakes and still had EVERY opportunity to win the game

- Missed tackles that would have ended drives (3rd and 15 in particular KJ Wright on the Ram's first TD drive)
- Inability to convert in the red zone (1-4)
- Not utilizing/looking Graham's way early on when he had one on ones (twice he was completely open and likely would have scored a TD)
- Terrible punt coverage allowing Tavon Austin a free TD

All of that and all we had to do was hold them from scoring a TD with 2:30 left to win the game and Dion Bailey slips covering a softly lofted ball that he would have either batted down or made a play on.

Seahawks have played these ugly games before and have found ways to win. This time around we just shot ourselves in the foot way too many times. That and the ball just didn't bounce our way. How often does a player totally slip on a play like that. I am highly critical of Pete's decision to onside kick that but if the ball bounces our way that's game Seahawks.

Not the end of the world. Nothing new with the Seahawks. They struggle against the Rams on the road (2-4 now since Pete's tenure). We play ugly games sometimes. Just not our day to win it.

This was the most obvious glaring issue I saw. the LB core was non-existent today. Bobby Wagner was no where to be seen and KJ Wright was seen sporadically.

 

[gohusk]

No. No matter how many times you attempt to put words in my mouth it's not going to work.

I'll say it again clearly. Even with bad play calls they STILL win that game with Kam. That's not giving a thumbs up to any other issues. No matter which stat or which call you want to question, just putting Kam instead of Bailey on that field today and Seattle has a W to open their campaign. That's all I've said and that's my opinion.

Put what words in your mouth? You think that was a good play call? Did you know exactly what was coming when they lined up? You think it's a good idea calling a fucking draw out of a shotgun 4th and 1 with the game on the line? None of that has ANYTHING to do with Kam.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Did Clark play much at all? I didn't hear his name called all day.

I was wondering that myself. Started looking for him and never spotted him during the game.

 

[WizardHawk]

Put what words in your mouth? You think that was a good play call? Did you know exactly what was coming when they lined up? You think it's a good idea calling a fucking draw out of a shotgun 4th and 1 with the game on the line? None of that has ANYTHING to do with Kam.

Show me where I said that was a good play call. Please.

I didn't. I said it didn't matter that it was a bad play call. I said despite the calls they still win with Kam. I really can't be more clear and yet you keep putting words in my mouth not said. There are 2 to 3 of you on this site that are really bad with that. Stick to the points and what really was said. It makes the debates go so much smoother.

 

[BHF]

I already answered that before you typed it. I really can't be more clear. Even with the exact same calls they win with Kam in there. Period. He's what was missing.

I don't know why it's so hard for some to put any blame on a guy that is killing your own team. I'm not taking up the argument about Bevell because it doesn't matter in this case. If you have your full team out there you still win. That's not saying Bevell didn't call a bad play or hasn't had problems. That's just how you guys always project things.

I Like this game. I want to play, too.

KJ Wright makes one routine tackle on 3rd and 15 late in the fourth instead of playing with his crank, we win with all the exact same play calls without Kam. Period.

That doesn't absolve Kam. But we didn't need him to win today.