Oklahoma and...... Kansas to the Big 10?

[BoiseMike19]

If Texas and Oklahoma bolted to the PAC and BSU and BYU filled the void, the Big 12 would still be on par with the ACC.

 

[Tharvot]

So if Oklahoma got an invite from the BIG the PAC and the SEC all at the same time tomorrow.
Where would it make the most sense from a dollar standpoint, to go?

On an individual team basis, you can probably make the most in the B12. As far as a competitive and national exposure standpoint goes, the B1G or SEC are your better options and you probably aren't going to be taking much of a haircut to get in either of those conferences...in fact, if the TV money is upped thanks to the additions, you may make even more in one of those 2 places.

At the end of the day it comes down to going somewhere you feel secure, not just for the near future, but somewhere you think will be strong as far as you can project out.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

On an individual team basis, you can probably make the most in the B12. As far as a competitive and national exposure standpoint goes, the B1G or SEC are your better options and you probably aren't going to be taking much of a haircut to get in either of those conferences...in fact, if the TV money is upped thanks to the additions, you may make even more in one of those 2 places.

At the end of the day it comes down to going somewhere you feel secure, not just for the near future, but somewhere you think will be strong as far as you can project out.

And with the TV contract for the B1G coming up soon, now would be a great time to jump.

 

[Codaxx]

That does not explain why Missouri, Texas A&M, Colorado, Nebraska, and Maryland chose to leave their conferences to join conferences in which they felt they would be better off. But acting in their own best interests (rather than those of their conference members) does. It also doesn't explain why the CFA was formed. As was mentioned in the article, the CFA grew out of the "haves" in college football wanting to make sure that they didn't have to share with the "have nots." (And that pattern has repeated itself . . . well . . repeatedly.)

It's not a new concept. John Nash won a Nobel Prize in Economics describing the differences between acting in ones own best interest rather than in the interests of the greater good.

So basically by your own admiration of Nash, collective bargaining on a grand scale would happen if it was perceived that a group of 60+ could negotiate a higher per team payout, than a group of 16..

 

[Codaxx]

SEC all the way.

not the PAC. That has been established that their network is underperforming plus the PAC 12 has a lot of TShirt Fans. No passion there.

Dollar Standpoint right now the SEC is going to be the big dog. Maybe, if the B1G scores a big contract, but that is a maybe. ESPN WILL sweeten the SEC pot to keep OU away from Fox and NBC Sports, probably even make the SEC the guaranteed highest paid conference.

The B1G is an interesting one but you would be the outlying state. The geography is different for Oklahoma and the B1G. A lot of winter, why deal with snow and cold?

Since Oklahoma touches Missouri and Arkansas, and Texas will beg to keep the OU Texas game(OU can ask for 20 million from Texas per year to keep the game, Texas might pay that). The SEC is nuts about football, Oklahoma won't have to play too many brutally cold games, the SEC is the correct choice in my opinion. If Oklahoma ever has too worry, Oklahoma will be courted almost as badly as Texas is and with Oklahoma the Sooner Sports Network is not a problem, other than Fox will have to be paid off, which is nowhere near the $250,000,000 that Texas will want to get out of their ESPN contract. Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina will be long hauls, but Norman to Tuscaloosa is a one day, long drive.

PAC is trailing, but you can not compare them to the SEC network. SEC provides content and is paid for that content by ESPN. FOX pays the PAC for their broadcast. PAC is the only conference that owns its network solely. That hurts cash-flow in the short term, but they are building equity and value in their network that is not being considered when you strictly look at the pay-out from the networks.

 

[night]

Would that officially make The Big 10 a basketball conference?

 

[7Samurai13]

Would that officially make The Big 10 a basketball conference?

There was rumors that UNC and Duke were interested in coming to the Big10 awhile ago, that would make them officially The basketball conference.

 

[Goldbug]

On an individual team basis, you can probably make the most in the B12. As far as a competitive and national exposure standpoint goes, the B1G or SEC are your better options and you probably aren't going to be taking much of a haircut to get in either of those conferences...in fact, if the TV money is upped thanks to the additions, you may make even more in one of those 2 places.

At the end of the day it comes down to going somewhere you feel secure, not just for the near future, but somewhere you think will be strong as far as you can project out.

Truthfully? If nothing major was guaranteed to change in the Big XII the best choice would be to stay right where OU is. Oklahoma has a greater chance of winning Big XII championships if we get better than in the B1G or for damn sure the SEC. But if the Big XII was doomed to die, the best choice would be to move to the SEC and become accustomed to seeing some great football games but few conference championships in the future. Personally I'd prefer the Pac 12 where we'd do well and still see some great games while upgrading our academic status too.

 

[Codaxx]

Truthfully? If nothing major was guaranteed to change in the Big XII the best choice would be to stay right where OU is. Oklahoma has a greater chance of winning Big XII championships if we get better than in the B1G or for damn sure the SEC. But if the Big XII was doomed to die, the best choice would be to move to the SEC and become accustomed to seeing some great football games but few conference championships in the future. Personally I'd prefer the Pac 12 where we'd do well and still see some great games while upgrading our academic status too.

I have always preferred the PAC. Right now you could say the PAC has only 1 traditional power in the conference, USC. It is a regional conference based essentially in one time zone (sorry Utah and Colorado). A Texas/OU move to the PAC would completely change the dynamics of the league. Conference now has 3 power teams. Spans from the west coast to Texas. Combines 2 of the top 3 recruiting hotbeds. Population footprint would probably be the largest of any conference.

 

[nddulac]

So basically by your own admiration of Nash, collective bargaining on a grand scale would happen if it was perceived that a group of 60+ could negotiate a higher per team payout, than a group of 16..

The problem is that collective bargaining only works if the most powerful entities in the collective are willing to make sacrifices for the weakest. All it takes to bust a collective is to get one or two of the heavyweights to accept payouts, and the less powerful groups will be left dangling.

That is what happened that caused the CFA - the first attempt at what is described in the Texas essay - to fall apart. As soon as Notre Dame got paid by NBC, they bolted from the CFA faster than a jack rabbit on a date.

 

[Codaxx]

The problem is that collective bargaining only works if the most powerful entities in the collective are willing to make sacrifices for the weakest. All it takes to bust a collective is to get one or two of the heavyweights to accept payouts, and the less powerful groups will be left dangling.

That is what happened that caused the CFA - the first attempt at what is described in the Texas essay - to fall apart. As soon as Notre Dame got paid by NBC, they bolted from the CFA faster than a jack rabbit on a date.

It changed because of OU. OU sued the NCAA and won. After that case TV revenue exploded. Conferences began to negotiate TV contracts for themselves. ESPN relied on your logic. They gave Texas a massive deal, for what at the time was considered generally worthless content. They hoped USC, Bama, etc would flock in and halt conference expansion. It did not happen and Texas is still the highest paid program in the country. So again, if the P5 believe they will get more revenue on a per game basis through collective bargaining than through conference bargaining, than they will do that.

 

[nddulac]

It changed because of OU. OU sued the NCAA and won. After that case TV revenue exploded. Conferences began to negotiate TV contracts for themselves.

Technically, your timeline is correct, but very much incomplete (and as such, misleading.)

The lawsuit that broke the monopoly the NCAA had on television contracts was indeed brought by Oklahoma, but also by Alabama. And it was supported by a large number of other schools. The result lead to the formation of the College Football Association (CFA) which collectively bargained for television rights for the 64 member schools.

It was after Notre Dame defected from the CFA in 1991 by signing a five-year contract with NBC that all hell began to truly break loose. For example, the SEC partnership with CBS did not begin until 1996.

What the Texas article talks about is basically a return to the days of the CFA. What makes it unlikely is that the same conditions (greedy schools or conferences) that can negotiate on their own and that are willing to leave others behind in the dust. The new twist is that there are quite a few more players in the game on the television side, making for more possible revenue streams available to be negotiated.

But when the name of the game in terms of gaining an advantage is to divide and conquer, more players with a seat at the bargaining table makes a unified voice even less likely. So I really don't expect to see a reversal of history and a return to the CFA days. I expect for people to continue to bargain for their own benefit and without giving a second thought to the welfare of those around them.

 

[outofyourmind]

also by Alabama.

Actually, it was Georgia

 

[HuskerinBig10]

New rumor involving something Chuck Long said. I have not verified. Do I think it is true what he said? Nope, not in the way people are taking it.

I am off to a a dinner shindig with the rich and powerful so I will have to look it up later.

 

[outofyourmind]

New rumor involving something Chuck Long said. I have not verified. Do I think it is true what he said? Nope, not in the way people are taking it.

I am off to a a dinner shindig with the rich and powerful so I will have to look it up later.

 

[nddulac]

Actually, it was Georgia

Yup. My error.

 

[KansasSooner]

Actually, it was Georgia

Yup. My error.

And OU and UGA still haven't played each other. WTF? I've been waiting and waiting, thought for sure we'd see a game between them by now...

 

[Texas Jefe]

From a fan perspective your worst option would be the PAC. OU-USC would be fun to watch but if it's the late game on the west coast most of your fans (not to mention the east coast media) are going to be asleep.

that's the thing that would bother me about Pac- time zone is so different.

 

[nddulac]

And OU and UGA still haven't played each other. WTF? I've been waiting and waiting, thought for sure we'd see a game between them by now...

If they did play one another - would it be televised?

 

[KansasSooner]

If they did play one another - would it be televised?

Bet money on it...my guess is it will have to be a bowl game because I haven't heard of any plans to schedule OOC with UGA.