C-Webb and Steve Kerr ripping into Mark Jackson's system

[CitySushi]

During last nights telecast both Steve Kerr and Chris Webber both pointed out numerous times the flaws in our offensive system. They pointed out that the offense was bogged down by the volume of isolations. They also mentioned that it was hard to fathom that the Warriors were a better defensive team than they were offensively. While giving credit to Jackson for the upswing on the defense, the offense has also taken a downswing.

Webber and Kerr also pointed out that there is only so much a height advantage can do for you on a mismatch. The personnel still has to be able to exploit the height difference in order for it to create an advantage. Many times this year with the Warriors, this has not been the case.

Many of us were worried about Malone leaving and how it would affect our x's and o'x. I think right now we're seeing some of that come out. The isolations are a clear reflection of how Mark Jackson used to play the game. He was a big point guard who frequented the post many times to exploit his height and weight against smaller guards. He was a wizard down low. The Warriors...not so much.

I fully agree with the sentiments echoed by Webber and Kerr. Mismatches and isolations are only effective when they work towards an advantage. The majority of the time this year, they have not given us any edge. It slows down the offense and kills any ball movement. We don't have players that are A) have a developed low post game or B) great passers out of the post. This is something that has to be addressed going forward.

 

[JustOneDennisBergkamp]

During last nights telecast both Steve Kerr and Chris Webber both pointed out numerous times the flaws in our offensive system. They pointed out that the offense was bogged down by the volume of isolations. They also mentioned that it was hard to fathom that the Warriors were a better defensive team than they were offensively. While giving credit to Jackson for the upswing on the defense, the offense has also taken a downswing.

Webber and Kerr also pointed out that there is only so much a height advantage can do for you on a mismatch. The personnel still has to be able to exploit the height difference in order for it to create an advantage. Many times this year with the Warriors, this has not been the case.

Many of us were worried about Malone leaving and how it would affect our x's and o'x. I think right now we're seeing some of that come out. The isolations are a clear reflection of how Mark Jackson used to play the game. He was a big point guard who frequented the post many times to exploit his height and weight against smaller guards. He was a wizard down low. The Warriors...not so much.

I fully agree with the sentiments echoed by Webber and Kerr. Mismatches and isolations are only effective when they work towards an advantage. The majority of the time this year, they have not given us any edge. It slows down the offense and kills any ball movement. We don't have players that are A) have a developed low post game or B) great passers out of the post. This is something that has to be addressed going forward.

There are only two players on the team with effective back to the basket games, and they are Lee and Thompson. I think Speights could be decent with more practice and determination, but that's about it. For the rest of the players, they don't have the post games to take advantage of any size difference.

As for the face-up mismatches of little v big, I hate seeing a little like Steph dribble for five seconds and then shoot a jumper. Littles need to either get to or threaten the rim in those situations. It should either be a lay up or a kick out with perhaps an extra pass to a wide open jump shooter. Now that's mismatch offense.

 

[NBKLee]

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Many of us were worried about Malone leaving and how it would affect our x's and o'x. I think right now we're seeing some of that come out. The isolations are a clear reflection of how Mark Jackson used to play the game. He was a big point guard who frequented the post many times to exploit his height and weight against smaller guards. He was a wizard down low. The Warriors...not so much.

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I for one wasn't worried.

1) Dubs, on paper, had a better roster this year than last

2) Coaches impact on teams are "overrated", how good was Doc Rivers in BOS when the Big 3 got old?


The iso's are apart of our halfcourt offense, but the Dubs also fast break and take early wide open shots aswell. Its apart of the whole team scheme.


I like Kerr, and Webber, but there was a reason they were doing that game, and not the A team of Reggie Miller, Marv Albert, and whomever the 3rd guy is that they throw onto the telecast.

 

[_so_money_]

While I think Jackson has messed up the offense, I also think it's very difficult to have both a great offense and a great defense. How many teams in the league have both a great offense and a great defense? Not many. Apart from obviously coaching and talent level, that's probably because playing great defense takes a lot of intensity and expends energy, leaving players a step slow and winded on the offensive end. Having a strong bench (which we don't) can help with this problem, leaving players with enough energy to compete on both ends.

 

[TobyTyler]

System? Jackson has no system.............other than preaching from his chair.

 

[HammerDown]

I had to endure sitting through an entire Warriors game with my buddy who calls himself a huge Warriors fan. At halftime I was so frustrated I had to politely excuse myself to step outside and call my wife and rant to her about this. I've never heard so much negativity in my life. I swear the dude said either Klay or Mark Jackson were "garbage" at least 100 times and that's no exaggeration.

 

[Hambombs]

Klay is not a post player LOL. But honestly we need to spread the ball around all the time. Postups to lee are fine on a mismatch but geez mix
It up. I think another move that almost burned us was having klay on harden. While klays defense is good it's not on andres level at all. Should of had iguodala on him in crunch time. But good win nonetheless even with our shit offense. But we need to run atleast something to be a very good team in the playoffs

 

[Hambombs]

I had to endure sitting through an entire Warriors game with my buddy who calls himself a huge Warriors fan. At halftime I was so frustrated I had to politely excuse myself to step outside and call my wife and rant to her about this. I've never heard so much negativity in my life. I swear the dude said either Klay or Mark Jackson were "garbage" at least 100 times and that's no exaggeration.

Hard core fans say this lol no suprise. Klays nick name on another forum I write on is Klank

 

[Hambombs]

While I think Jackson has messed up the offense, I also think it's very difficult to have both a great offense and a great defense. How many teams in the league have both a great offense and a great defense? Not many. Apart from obviously coaching and talent level, that's probably because playing great defense takes a lot of intensity and expends energy, leaving players a step slow and winded on the offensive end. Having a strong bench (which we don't) can help with this problem, leaving players with enough energy to compete on both ends.

Spurs 5th and 6th in defense and offense. They can plug anyone into there offensive system and be successful. That's cause Pop actually HAS a offensive system

 

[Hambombs]

Still though how often can you say that this is the 3rd best defensive team in the league and best defensive team in the west?

 

[NBKLee]

Klay is not a post player LOL. But honestly we need to spread the ball around all the time. Postups to lee are fine on a mismatch but geez mix
It up. I think another move that almost burned us was having klay on harden. While klays defense is good it's not on andres level at all. Should of had iguodala on him in crunch time. But good win nonetheless even with our shit offense. But we need to run atleast something to be a very good team in the playoffs

Harden was scoring on everyone. Iguodala, Steph, Klay, Green, it didn't matter, the biggest difference that night was Bogut wasn't in the game.

JO can hold his own, but he can't play 30+ mins anymore. Klay is a very good defender, but when you are used to having the Big Aussie behind you, its hard to get used to not having him there.




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[CohanHater]

During last nights telecast both Steve Kerr and Chris Webber both pointed out numerous times the flaws in our offensive system. They pointed out that the offense was bogged down by the volume of isolations. They also mentioned that it was hard to fathom that the Warriors were a better defensive team than they were offensively. While giving credit to Jackson for the upswing on the defense, the offense has also taken a downswing.

Webber and Kerr also pointed out that there is only so much a height advantage can do for you on a mismatch. The personnel still has to be able to exploit the height difference in order for it to create an advantage. Many times this year with the Warriors, this has not been the case.

Many of us were worried about Malone leaving and how it would affect our x's and o'x. I think right now we're seeing some of that come out. The isolations are a clear reflection of how Mark Jackson used to play the game. He was a big point guard who frequented the post many times to exploit his height and weight against smaller guards. He was a wizard down low. The Warriors...not so much.

I fully agree with the sentiments echoed by Webber and Kerr. Mismatches and isolations are only effective when they work towards an advantage. The majority of the time this year, they have not given us any edge. It slows down the offense and kills any ball movement. We don't have players that are A) have a developed low post game or B) great passers out of the post. This is something that has to be addressed going forward.

I think it's hilarious that people are complaining after slowing down one of the highest powered offenses (without Bogut) and found a way to score over Howard. Had the flexibility to run Steph out there with 5 fouls because there was depth at the backup 1 for once. Quit complaining. Sure it was an ugly win, but it was a win against a very good team, at home without a real option at center against Howard and Asik.

 

[JustOneDennisBergkamp]

Whether Kerr, The BCW, or some Warrior fans may be over the top with their criticism of Jackson or the offense, there is certainly a need for the team to take their half-court game to the next level. With movement and screens, The Dubs' offense is often breathtaking to behold.

There is a time and place for isolation play, but they do indeed rely on it too often, and the match-ups that they are attempting to exploit aren't favorable for most of the players on the team as they lack the ability to cash in on those mismatches consistently.

 

[jalopy]

I'm new to the Bay area but it seems to me the Warriors have the talent to challenge in the West but they just don't seem like a "team" at times. I wouldn't overlook what C-Webb has to say. he has a pretty good basketball mind and instincts. As an outsider (with limited knowledge) it seems a liitle bit like Jackson is trying to push a square peg through a round hole.

 

[NBKLee]

I'm new to the Bay area but it seems to me the Warriors have the talent to challenge in the West but they just don't seem like a "team" at times. I wouldn't overlook what C-Webb has to say. he has a pretty good basketball mind and instincts. As an outsider (with limited knowledge) it seems a liitle bit like Jackson is trying to push a square peg through a round hole.

To borrow a cliche' at the end of the day, the Dubs are a jump shooting team that plays good defense, runs when they can, and runs iso's in the halfcourt.

When your team is built around Steph, Iguodala, D.Lee, Bogut and filled in with KLay, HB, and Green, Crawford, and now Blake, you aren't going to run the Princeton offense.

When the shots are falling, and we remember to play defense, we are a top 5 team. When we are injured and play down to the competition, we lose to the Bobcats/Hornets.

 

[msgkings322]

To borrow a cliche' at the end of the day, the Dubs are a jump shooting team that plays good defense, runs when they can, and runs iso's in the halfcourt.

When your team is built around Steph, Iguodala, D.Lee, Bogut and filled in with KLay, HB, and Green, Crawford, and now Blake, you aren't going to run the Princeton offense.

When the shots are falling, and we remember to play defense, we are a top 5 team. When we are injured and play down to the competition, we lose to the Bobcats/Hornets.

Well summed-up. But even when it's all clicking and everyone's healthy, they don't beat SA or Indiana or Miami or OKC in a 7 game series. Yet.

 

[JustOneDennisBergkamp]

To borrow a cliche' at the end of the day, the Dubs are a jump shooting team that plays good defense, runs when they can, and runs iso's in the halfcourt.

When your team is built around Steph, Iguodala, D.Lee, Bogut and filled in with KLay, HB, and Green, Crawford, and now Blake, you aren't going to run the Princeton offense.

When the shots are falling, and we remember to play defense, we are a top 5 team. When we are injured and play down to the competition, we lose to the Bobcats/Hornets.

No one is clamoring for a Princeton-like offense here. The Warriors are more than capable of running set plays and basic movement on the fly, but they DO over-rely on isolation in the half-court.

Your continued defense of Jackson is noble, but the criticism from Webber and Kerr should not be so easily brushed aside. The further the team progresses in the playoffs, the bigger the premium on effective half-court offense will be. If it doesn't improve, the Dubs can not progress to the later rounds.

 

[NBKLee]

No one is clamoring for a Princeton-like offense here. The Warriors are more than capable of running set plays and basic movement on the fly, but they DO over-rely on isolation in the half-court.

Your continued defense of Jackson is noble, but the criticism from Webber and Kerr should not be so easily brushed aside. The further the team progresses in the playoffs, the bigger the premium on effective half-court offense will be. If it doesn't improve, the Dubs can not progress to the later rounds.

For all his faults, Jackson has turned the titanic around here. From Day 1, he demanded his players bring the energy on defense, and expected hard work daily.

How many times in the past 15-20 years, could you honestly say our defense has won us a majority of the games here? I'll wait patiently for that answer

After a complete overhaul of a roster, he brought us from the lottery team to the 2nd round of the playoffs in his short stint here. Has he won us a ring yet? No, but if we judge by that criteria, 29 other teams fail aswell.

I love Kerr and Webber's commentary, I love watching them on Open Court, but the fact is, they don't know our team on the local level. They are just national media guys, who don't see the team on a day-to-day basis like some of us do.

The team has dealt with injuries, its a cheap excuse, but yes the Dubs were injured from Iguodala, FE all year, D.Lee for a stretch, Bogut, Steph, Toney Douglas, and HB for a few games. Klay is our one iron man.


We still have a flawed roster, but the Coach still has the team playing hard. Get him some healthy pieces, and look out. You think SAS, OKC, POR, or Flop City want to see us in the first round?

 

[Hambombs]

Well summed-up. But even when it's all clicking and everyone's healthy, they don't beat SA or Indiana or Miami or OKC in a 7 game series. Yet.

We'll that remains to be seen

 

[JustOneDennisBergkamp]

For all his faults, Jackson has turned the titanic around here. From Day 1, he demanded his players bring the energy on defense, and expected hard work daily.

How many times in the past 15-20 years, could you honestly say our defense has won us a majority of the games here? I'll wait patiently for that answer

After a complete overhaul of a roster, he brought us from the lottery team to the 2nd round of the playoffs in his short stint here. Has he won us a ring yet? No, but if we judge by that criteria, 29 other teams fail aswell.

I love Kerr and Webber's commentary, I love watching them on Open Court, but the fact is, they don't know our team on the local level. They are just national media guys, who don't see the team on a day-to-day basis like some of us do.

The team has dealt with injuries, its a cheap excuse, but yes the Dubs were injured from Iguodala, FE all year, D.Lee for a stretch, Bogut, Steph, Toney Douglas, and HB for a few games. Klay is our one iron man.


We still have a flawed roster, but the Coach still has the team playing hard. Get him some healthy pieces, and look out. You think SAS, OKC, POR, or Flop City want to see us in the first round?

If flaws in team or player approaches to the game can't be identified, how can they be corrected? Again, I'm not sure why you wish to entirely dismiss this line of criticism from two NBA vets. Your attempt to diminish the value of their opinions based on not being the #1 crew at TNT is a bit silly. It's a valid criticism, no matter how many injuries the team has suffered this season.

My post follows up on a specific criticism of the offense. I did not offer a general critique of Jackson's tenure. The historical perspective that you attempt to provide will only be necessary if I start calling for Jackson's head, and as far as I'm concerned, he's A-okay for now.