Cap update with the moves I expect

[skinsdad62]

If we are going away from zone blocking who on our line would you keep? They make too much to be backups, and are not quality starters so I could see all four aside from Williams not being here

have to agree with shark here . why keep scrubs ?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Did we give up on Rambo and Thomas who was hurt before the season got under way?

I believe the most valuable players on any defense are pass rushers whether they are DL or OLBs. They can make CBs and safeties better very quickly.

Completely agree. This idea that you have to add talent at almost every single position is ridiculous. As you allude to above - a change in one area can make the players in other areas get better (D-line upgrades can easily make your secondary play better - & vice versa, O-line improvements result in upgraded play by QBs, WRs, etc).

The plan should simply be to upgrade the team long term and not to simply make them instant SB contenders. This is done - as others have mentioned - by being somewhat patient & signing primarily younger players (and not too many sexy FAs).

Also - in mentioning the potential difference in wins people forget to mention the STs. Even halfway decent play from that unit could have meant the difference in both Cowboys games as well as contributing to the outcome of several other games. They need to seek out both young, hungry players to block, tackle, etc as well as an at least above average returner. This would make a lot of difference (along with a real ST coach).

Should be fun to see how this unfolds & hopefully it is more in line with what has occurred over the recent past.

 

[skinsdad62]

Completely agree. This idea that you have to add talent at almost every single position is ridiculous. As you allude to above - a change in one area can make the players in other areas get better (D-line upgrades can easily make your secondary play better - & vice versa, O-line improvements result in upgraded play by QBs, WRs, etc).

The plan should simply be to upgrade the team long term and not to simply make them instant SB contenders. This is done - as others have mentioned - by being somewhat patient & signing primarily younger players (and not too many sexy FAs).

Also - in mentioning the potential difference in wins people forget to mention the STs. Even halfway decent play from that unit could have meant the difference in both Cowboys games as well as contributing to the outcome of several other games. They need to seek out both young, hungry players to block, tackle, etc as well as an at least above average returner. This would make a lot of difference (along with a real ST coach).

Should be fun to see how this unfolds & hopefully it is more in line with what has occurred over the recent past.

nothing wrong with taking a look at a young rambo and a young thomas to see if they are answers but the LOS is where we should start to rebuild the LOS

 

[SoCalWizFan]

nothing wrong with taking a look at a young rambo and a young thomas to see if they are answers but the LOS is where we should start to rebuild the LOS

We are basically saying the same thing. I am just maintaining that you don't have to replace almost the entire LOS on both sides. Just adding some major help at one or two positions on both sides could make a huge difference (along with some nominal changes in other areas). Just imagine if they had a more effective RT on offense & another force on the defensive line - could mean the difference in several games this season.

 

[j_y19]

I think you almost have to play these young guys. You just have to partner them with a savvy vet. Someone that can teach them the ropes and maybe cover for their early mistakes as they learn. What you can't do is put them both back there together. Rambo was a train wreck this year, partly due to the fact that we asked him to do too much before he was ready. I believe it became psychological after a while.

 

[Shenanihanigans]

have to agree with shark here . why keep scrubs ?

For quality backup purposes, hopefully at a reduced rate. Or you tell ribeye, Gettis, and Compton that either they make serious strides next year or they're cut.

 

[Sharkinva]

For quality backup purposes, hopefully at a reduced rate. Or you tell ribeye, Gettis, and Compton that either they make serious strides next year or they're cut.

Problem is, Chester, Licth, Montgomery and Polumbus would not be quality backups in a drop back passing offense which is what i expect we will employ. And you cant pay them as starters to be backups. So unless they agree to serious paycuts, I would sooner see them gone as they dont fit what I expect we will be trying to put into place.

 

[duke1861]

Trust me, I've seen every game for 30 years. I know how bad we are. First, you aren't going to fill all your holes this year. Second, you don't bring in bryd and shields. You bring in one. You pair the one you bring in with Merriweather or one of the rookies. You re-sign Hall for a short term deal (2 years). Pair him with Amerson. All the sudden, you have 3 play makers in the secondary, albeit 2 of them are young, but that's what you need. You resign Riley. You draft a ILB with your second or third round pick. If he is you second, you should have a very good player and a starter. You re-sign Rak, probably for 8-10M/year. You re-sign Baker, who looked very good the last 6 games. All the sudden you have a very fast defense that has plamakers at the OLBs/DEs (depending on the scheme) and in the secondary, right where you need them. You have a young ILB crew that should have a lot of upside. It doesn't take as much as some think. So we signed two high profile players on defense and higher salaries (Rak and a safety).

On offense, don't be so sure we get away from zone read, especially if it's the OC from Seattle or a college coach. Who knows, Kubiak could be our OC. We still need an upgrade across the line. Sign Mack. The center is critical to any offensive line, especially one with a young QB as he calls out the blocking assignments. Draft a OG and a RT. We may have to make due with Lichtensteiger for one more year. Montgomery, Polumbus and Chester have to be replaced. Draft a WR with either the second or 3rd round pick (depending on when you pick your ILB).

So we have signed 3 high profile FAs, for which we have plenty of money to do. We still have plenty of money left to sign mid tier OL to fill in for a couple of years until our draftees are ready. I wouldn't bother with signing any FA WRs, we already have a plethora of mid their WRs on the team. I would only look to the draft to fill out my WR corps. I would look for one with speed that is also a KR.

Will this be a Super Bowl team next year? Nope. But this has to be a 3 year project. You draft for the future and sign FAs judiciously to fill in key areas for the present.

As far as the Chiefs, they had 7 PB players on that team when Reid took over. Their issue wasn't playmakers, it was a coach. They already had their playmakers, they could fill in with mid tier guys.

I am sorry but you aren't making a lot of sense. You can run a zone read system with a power blocking scheme. Both Seattle and San Fran. run power scheme with heavier linemen. Not many teams run the ZBS in the NFL. It isn't working for us and I highly doubt our new coach will want to keep the OLine scheme. They will want heavier, stronger OLinemen to run the scheme. As such, we need a minimum of 3 new starters (C, RT, RG).

Regarding the defense, Amerson is not a playmaker yet. He had his struggles and will have to be a starter given the overall lack of talent. If we bring in Byrd and overpay him, a secondary of Byrd, Merriweather, Hall and Amerson is not much better than we currently have. I would sign 2 FA to address the Secondary

Malcom Jenkins = Safety
Vontae Davis = CB


To round out the defense, you use the 2nd rounder on an ILB, Linval Joseph at DE and try to resign Rak.

Regarding the offense, we have lots of problems here. To think we don't need a WR is silly. We literally have only Garcon, Robinson and Hankerson. Drafting a late round WR isn't the answer as RG3 needs help immediately. Golden Tate or Jeremy Maclin would be great options who will sign well below what the top WR are asking.

With respect to the OLine, we need 3 new starters. Roger Saffold at RT and Matt Slauson at RG will be the players here. We will have to draft a Center with the 3rd round pick.

Overall, that is 6 free agents who would drastically turn the team around. My plan makes a lot more sense then signing 3 playmakers and filling in holes with 1 year deals.

Regarding the Chiefs, they completely rebuilt their secondary, added a ILB and brought in a DE. They brought in interior OLine help and signed a legit #2 WR. Kinda sounds like we need to do what they did as we have the same weaknesses they did. We also have Pro Bowlers on this team as well. Remember that some Chiefs made the Pro Bowl last year who should not have. We have Garcon, Morris, T. Williams and Reed who are all fanastic players.

 

[j_y19]

Huh? Zone read blocking and power blocking are two different schemes. Zone read implies that each lineman has a zone, not a man, that they are responsible for and who ever enters that zone they seal off or push out of their zone, creating cutback lanes. They then must peel off and get to the second level. Power blocking is just as is says. Blocking assignments are called at the line and you are responsible for a man. You may have help, you man may be directly over you or not, or your man may be in the second level. But for the most part, you stay with your man until the RB is beyond you (unless you pancake your guy then you look for someone else).

I do agree that not many teams run the ZBS and I am not a big fan of it. While we have agile OL for run blocking, they are not big enough to pass protect. Both seattle and SF run both ZBS on some plays and power blocking. They have more typical linemen that are athletic enough to do both. As I said in my post, we need an upgrade to bigger, more athletic guys. We will not upgrade all 4 this year. But the Center is the most important upgrade, especially in a PBS, as he usually calls out the blocking assignments.

I have no idea where you got that I said to sign Linval Joseph. Also, why would you over pay for Byrd? You make a fair offer, but let him test the market to determine his market value. This has been our error in the past. We fall in love with FA and we do whatever is necessary to sign him on day 1. Let them test the market.

I also don't know how you got that I said sign 3 FAs to 1 year deals. I think you are misreading my post or confusing my posts for someone else. I think you need to re read it......

 

[skinsdad62]

Need to Know: Five possible Redskins cap casualties | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

here could be some cap casualties in this off season

 

[skinsdad62]

Looking at What Voiding the Contracts of Meriweather, Morgan and Fletcher Will Mean Next Year | Fanspeak Washington Redskins Blog

here is what the voided contracts will look like

 

[Sportster 72]

One of the things we do as fans is try to determine who our players should be. Everyone likes to play amateur GM. It is really hard to determine which way the team should go until a new coaching staff is in place. Will the team run a power offense? Will the defense return to a 4-3?

Two things this team needs to do this season is add depth. The cap penalty really hurt here the past two years. And most importantly, add speed. At every level of football I have been involved with there is nothing that replaces speed. I don't know how many college tryout camps I have been to where you see a kid run 4.5 or better and watch the coaches eyes light up. Hell just think of Darrell Green, as far as technique goes he was not very good but he made up for it with his world class speed.

 

[skinsdad62]

i think when you are assessing this team we should compare ourselves to seatle and san fran

right now i think we have about 9 starters on both sides of the ball who are above avg guys
RG3 , AM , trent , garcon reed cofield , kerrigan Rak and hall

that is about 35% of the starters

then we have a group of could be's amerson , riley , hankerson thomas and young

then we have some possible avg guys in aldrick , nick , rambo minniefield baker

that is about it

besides garcon which of our wrs beats a sherman or a reid or a earl thomas or a rogers ?

who besides williams can block aldon smith , justin smith , cliff avril , or bruce irvin ?

are any of our LBS on the level of aldon smith , willis , bowman brooks or wagner ?

can anyone other then hall cover boldin crabtree davis , harvin or golden tate ?

that is pretty much the issue here

that is what we need to address in the next 2 -3 years to me it starts at the LOS but we have plenty of areas to shore up