Alfred Morris

[apachef4]

You remember what year Portis was in when Mike traded him ?

Portis played 2 years in Denver, 7 in Washington.

 

[skinz2winz]

Morris is a straight up BEAST! The guy usually gets his yards on his own when nothing is there. We would be ridiculous to even consider trading Morris. Helu is also a nice compliment to Morris and maybe more elusive. I did not say better runner, I said more elusive where as Morris is more of a power guy.

 

[MessengerOfJah]

I get what some of you are saying, but I'm still not buying it.

While benefiting from Shanny's zone schemes and Griffin's dynamics, Morris was still 3rd in the league among running backs in yards after contact behind I think just Lynch and Doug Martin. Helu's not going to turn a 1 yard carry into a 4 yard carry like Fred will, just like Fred won't bust 24 yards down field on a 3rd and 19 screen pass play out the backfield. They're a great compliment to each other.

Familiarity in pass protection, and the fused chemistry in place off read options with the QB has for whatever reasons been marginalized in this conversation to lure the idea of trading one of our best players for a sexy first round pick down the line who eventually you'll also want to trade? No way! Unless the GM wants to be fired on the spot, this topic never makes it's way to Snyder's desk.

 

[j_y19]

Listen, this has been way misconstrued. I don't think anybody is advocating trading, or even shopping, Morris. The question was would you consider trading him for a first round pick. First, no one is giving us a 1st for Alfred, so he is staying right here. This is all hypothetical.

So you need to think outside the box a bit. What the question really implies is could the team benefit more by having a 1st next year and having to get another work horse RB. So lets say alfred is a 1500 yd/year back, so he is very good. Having said that, it is reasonable that in Shanny's scheme, we could find another good RB that averages, lets say, 1200 yds/year. That level of RB is not that hard to find, especially in this scheme. They are out there. On top of that, you also add in a 1st round pick to solve a hole at Safety, ILB, WR, where ever the talent is available. SO the real question is would the redskins be a better team with a 1200 yd/year back and a young, PB potential safety (or ILB, or WR, or we trade the 1st for 2 seconds and a third and pick up a couple stud OL) as opposed to just Alfred and no first round pick? As much as I love Albert, I would have to take that trade because I believe it makes the team better as a whole.

Again, this is all hypothetical. I am not advocating getting rid of Morris!

 

[skinsdad62]

Listen, this has been way misconstrued. I don't think anybody is advocating trading, or even shopping, Morris. The question was would you consider trading him for a first round pick. First, no one is giving us a 1st for Alfred, so he is staying right here. This is all hypothetical.

So you need to think outside the box a bit. What the question really implies is could the team benefit more by having a 1st next year and having to get another work horse RB. So lets say alfred is a 1500 yd/year back, so he is very good. Having said that, it is reasonable that in Shanny's scheme, we could find another good RB that averages, lets say, 1200 yds/year. That level of RB is not that hard to find, especially in this scheme. They are out there. On top of that, you also add in a 1st round pick to solve a hole at Safety, ILB, WR, where ever the talent is available. SO the real question is would the redskins be a better team with a 1200 yd/year back and a young, PB potential safety (or ILB, or WR, or we trade the 1st for 2 seconds and a third and pick up a couple stud OL) as opposed to just Alfred and no first round pick? As much as I love Albert, I would have to take that trade because I believe it makes the team better as a whole.

Again, this is all hypothetical. I am not advocating getting rid of Morris!

and i answered the question , no you do not trade morris for the reasons i mentioned above hypothetical or not

he is a core redskins player who fits our scheme , doesnt cost much yet , and we dont have to respend a resource to make up for what we all ready had in the 1st place . that will be my answer no matter what box you want me to think out of or how many shades of lipstick you want to put on that pig .

as for resigning him for 8 mil GK in 2 years we will have to see what our cap looks like and what the market is for a top 5 RB if he is still is that

i would consider it because he is certainly underpaid for his production but the cap may not allow it

 

[skinsdad62]

Listen, this has been way misconstrued. I don't think anybody is advocating trading, or even shopping, Morris. The question was would you consider trading him for a first round pick. First, no one is giving us a 1st for Alfred, so he is staying right here. This is all hypothetical.

So you need to think outside the box a bit. What the question really implies is could the team benefit more by having a 1st next year and having to get another work horse RB. So lets say alfred is a 1500 yd/year back, so he is very good. Having said that, it is reasonable that in Shanny's scheme, we could find another good RB that averages, lets say, 1200 yds/year. That level of RB is not that hard to find, especially in this scheme. They are out there. On top of that, you also add in a 1st round pick to solve a hole at Safety, ILB, WR, where ever the talent is available. SO the real question is would the redskins be a better team with a 1200 yd/year back and a young, PB potential safety (or ILB, or WR, or we trade the 1st for 2 seconds and a third and pick up a couple stud OL) as opposed to just Alfred and no first round pick? As much as I love Albert, I would have to take that trade because I believe it makes the team better as a whole.

Again, this is all hypothetical. I am not advocating getting rid of Morris!

oh , and we have enough resources thru cap space and draft picks to address those needs without lining up with royster and helu in the backfield with a sprinkle of thompson and jamison

 

[j_y19]

Maybe. Maybe not. Below is a partial list of our own free agents that we will probably try and resign, or at least talk to. If we don't resign them they will have to be replaced at similar cost. A couple of them will cost us significantly more. Rak, as we have discusses, will be in the $10m range. Dhall could very well get $5m. Riley will be in the $4m range. We probably won't resign Morgan for $6m, but we could very well replace him on the FA market and easily spend that amount. For simplicity sake, I'll assume that the rest are resigned, or replaced, at their current cost + 10%. So based on these assumptions, we will need over $40m in cap space just to resign these players. Currently we spend about $29m on these players. So the delta growth is approximately 12-15m that will eat into our free cap space for next year. So that will give us around $14-17m to spend on additional FAs and draft picks for next year. We need a safety or 2, an ILB, and a couple of OL. To understand what these players will cost, a good safety will be in the 6m range. A god ILB is gonna run $8-10m. A RT will be in the 4-5M range. So if we just satisfy these holes via good level (not elite) free agents, we will spend all of our free cap space. This is by no means scientific, but just a stab at showing we can't satisfy all of our issues next year with the 30+M in free cap space.

PLAYER POS STATUS FROM TO AGE 2013 CAP
Brian Orakpo OLB, LB UFA WAS TBD 27 $5,109,000
Chris Baker DE UFA WAS TBD 26 $1,323,000
Nick Barnett ILB, LB UFA WAS TBD 32 $555,000
E.J. Biggers CB UFA WAS TBD 26 $1,500,000
Reed Doughty S UFA WAS TBD 31 $1,500,000
Jose Gumbs S ERFA WAS TBD 25 $405,000
DeAngelo Hall CB UFA WAS TBD 29 $1,250,000
Josh Hull ILB, LB UFA WAS TBD 26 $359,118
Rob Jackson OLB, LB UFA WAS TBD 28 $546,765
Bryan Kehl ILB, LB UFA WAS TBD 29 $740,000
Josh Morgan WR UFA WAS TBD 28 $5,100,000
Santana Moss WR UFA WAS TBD 34 $4,016,668
Jerome Murphy CB RFA WAS TBD 26 $555,000
Perry Riley ILB, LB UFA WAS TBD 25 $1,455,500
Aldrick Robinson WR ERFA WAS TBD 25 $480,000
Darryl Tapp OLB, LB UFA WAS TBD 29 $580,000
Josh Wilson CB UFA WAS TBD 28 $3,333,333

 

[Krusheasy]

We probably won't resign Morgan for $6m, but we could very well replace him on the FA market and easily spend that amount.

I'm a fan of Morgan as a person, but he has not earned his salary and either has one hell of a second half of the season, or as you said, is replaced with someone with a similar contract.

Rak's contract is the biggest question mark going forward.

I would also assume Moss & Fletcher are retiring after this season.

Only other contract of significance is Hall & Wilson. Expect Hall signs a short-term deal in the 4-5mil range, similar to the Morgan / #2 WR contract. Think Wilson should be kept with contract similar to what Hall/Biggers is playing for this year.

The other players you've listed are league minimum & I dont think their contracts will change much beyond league minimum.

Washington Redskins Player Contracts, Salaries, & Transactions

 

[j_y19]

I'm a fan of Morgan as a person, but he has not earned his salary and either has one hell of a second half of the season, or as you said, is replaced with someone with a similar contract.

Rak's contract is the biggest question mark going forward.

I would also assume Moss & Fletcher are retiring after this season.

Only other contract of significance is Hall & Wilson. Expect Hall signs a short-term deal in the 4-5mil range, similar to the Morgan / #2 WR contract. Think Wilson should be kept with contract similar to what Hall/Biggers is playing for this year.

The other players you've listed are league minimum & I dont think their contracts will change much beyond league minimum.

Washington Redskins Player Contracts, Salaries, & Transactions

Yeah, there is no way we pay Morgan $6m going forward. But we will pay some wr that or more. The other big one for us is Riley. We have to resign him. The $4m estimate I put out there may be low. We also have to replace London. That will be a big ticket item. My bet is we focus on the defense this offseason. Polumbus may be with us for another year. Who knows, maybe Compton steps up in his 3rd year. It will be a make or break year for him, gettis and leribus.

 

[skinsdad62]

Maybe. Maybe not. Below is a partial list of our own free agents that we will probably try and resign, or at least talk to. If we don't resign them they will have to be replaced at similar cost. A couple of them will cost us significantly more. Rak, as we have discusses, will be in the $10m range. Dhall could very well get $5m. Riley will be in the $4m range. We probably won't resign Morgan for $6m, but we could very well replace him on the FA market and easily spend that amount. For simplicity sake, I'll assume that the rest are resigned, or replaced, at their current cost + 10%. So based on these assumptions, we will need over $40m in cap space just to resign these players. Currently we spend about $29m on these players. So the delta growth is approximately 12-15m that will eat into our free cap space for next year. So that will give us around $14-17m to spend on additional FAs and draft picks for next year. We need a safety or 2, an ILB, and a couple of OL. To understand what these players will cost, a good safety will be in the 6m range. A god ILB is gonna run $8-10m. A RT will be in the 4-5M range. So if we just satisfy these holes via good level (not elite) free agents, we will spend all of our free cap space. This is by no means scientific, but just a stab at showing we can't satisfy all of our issues next year with the 30+M in free cap space.

PLAYER POS STATUS FROM TO AGE 2013 CAP
Brian Orakpo OLB, LB UFA WAS TBD 27 $5,109,000
Chris Baker DE UFA WAS TBD 26 $1,323,000
Nick Barnett ILB, LB UFA WAS TBD 32 $555,000
E.J. Biggers CB UFA WAS TBD 26 $1,500,000
Reed Doughty S UFA WAS TBD 31 $1,500,000
Jose Gumbs S ERFA WAS TBD 25 $405,000
DeAngelo Hall CB UFA WAS TBD 29 $1,250,000
Josh Hull ILB, LB UFA WAS TBD 26 $359,118
Rob Jackson OLB, LB UFA WAS TBD 28 $546,765
Bryan Kehl ILB, LB UFA WAS TBD 29 $740,000
Josh Morgan WR UFA WAS TBD 28 $5,100,000
Santana Moss WR UFA WAS TBD 34 $4,016,668
Jerome Murphy CB RFA WAS TBD 26 $555,000
Perry Riley ILB, LB UFA WAS TBD 25 $1,455,500
Aldrick Robinson WR ERFA WAS TBD 25 $480,000
Darryl Tapp OLB, LB UFA WAS TBD 29 $580,000
Josh Wilson CB UFA WAS TBD 28 $3,333,333

come on !?! we still have guys we can redo guys if needs be but if you are saying we cant make 31 mil work for us then we have serious issues with management .

 

[j_y19]

come on !?! we still have guys we can redo guys if needs be but if you are saying we cant make 31 mil work for us then we have serious issues with management .

You really have a way of putting words in my mouth. I, again, never said that. What I'm attempting to show is that while 31 m is great, we can't solve all of out issues next year with just $31M. We have so many of our own FAs that eat up so much of it. I guess I'm just trying to temper expectations.

We do not want to get into redoing contacts. Look at the cowboys. Been there, done that.

 

[skinsdad62]

You really have a way of putting words in my mouth. I, again, never said that. What I'm attempting to show is that while 31 m is great, we can't solve all of out issues next year with just $31M. We have so many of our own FAs that eat up so much of it. I guess I'm just trying to temper expectations.

We do not want to get into redoing contacts. Look at the cowboys. Been there, done that.

why do you guys "bring up " things then back away when i answer back ?

i mean really when you bring up a list of guys we need to resign and point out that it will eat up our 31 mil in cap space just how am i to respond ? you type it out and i am not supposed to respond to the type ?

and how can i "not put words in your mouth " when a i say dont trade the guy and you say , not me, but you say, you would take the 1st round pick for him ?


the 2 statements tell me thru text that you advocate trading morris for a 1st round pick and that 31 mil in cap space along with our draft picks isnt enough to fix our needs . how else do i take it thru text ?

now perhaps in a conversation face to face i could figure out the things you think i should thru text but my limited ability doesnt allow me to guess when you are playing devils advocate or not

my feeling is we wont fix every issue on this team next off season . it could take 2-3 to get that mythical perfect team .

perhaps we , as fans , are overreacting to our alleged troubled areas

 

[j_y19]

why do you guys "bring up " things then back away when i answer back ?

i mean really when you bring up a list of guys we need to resign and point out that it will eat up our 31 mil in cap space just how am i to respond ? you type it out and i am not supposed to respond to the type ?

and how can i "not put words in your mouth " when a i say dont trade the guy and you say , not me, but you say, you would take the 1st round pick for him ?


the 2 statements tell me thru text that you advocate trading morris for a 1st round pick and that 31 mil in cap space along with our draft picks isnt enough to fix our needs . how else do i take it thru text ?

now perhaps in a conversation face to face i could figure out the things you think i should thru text but my limited ability doesnt allow me to guess when you are playing devils advocate or not

my feeling is we wont fix every issue on this team next off season . it could take 2-3 to get that mythical perfect team .

perhaps we , as fans , are overreacting to our alleged troubled areas

Dad, i'm not backing away from anything I've posted. But there is a difference between a theoretical discussion and reality. So let me ask you this, would you trade Morris for 3 first round picks? Of course you would. And your response to this answer would be that we are giving up on our players, that we have no patience, blah, blah blah. Which is just not true and an overreaction.

Everything and everyone has a value on this team. I, and others, just happen to put Morris' value at a 1st round pick and I explained why I think so. Your value of him is higher, i assume. But its all a moot point because there isn't a team in the League that would give a 1st round pick for Morris as I said early on.

As far as my style, do throw things out there to foster discussion. I enjoy intelligent debate. What I don't take kindly to is to be accused of giving up on the team or having no patience, etc, when involved in the discussion. You can disagree, I have no problem, just don't make it personal.

 

[skinsdad62]

Dad, i'm not backing away from anything I've posted. But there is a difference between a theoretical discussion and reality. So let me ask you this, would you trade Morris for 3 first round picks? Of course you would. And your response to this answer would be that we are giving up on our players, that we have no patience, blah, blah blah. Which is just not true and an overreaction.

Everything and everyone has a value on this team. I, and others, just happen to put Morris' value at a 1st round pick and I explained why I think so. Your value of him is higher, i assume. But its all a moot point because there isn't a team in the League that would give a 1st round pick for Morris as I said early on.

As far as my style, do throw things out there to foster discussion. I enjoy intelligent debate. What I don't take kindly to is to be accused of giving up on the team or having no patience, etc, when involved in the discussion. You can disagree, I have no problem, just don't make it personal.

i didnt make it personal . you made statements , i answered them , and you said dont put words in your mouth , that you really didnt mean this but you meant that

the questions was would i trade morris for a 1st round pick . i answered no . 3/ 1sts werent a part of it

i said you dont give up on a core redskin guy and that we should develop our own guys

the response was to think outside the box

mine was there is no box to think outside of that we have enough resources to address our needs

the response was no we didnt that our free agents would eat up that whopping 31 mil

i said we have a managemant problem if we couldnt

i dont know what to say . you said i put words in your mouth and i responded with how am i supposed to take it thru text ?

i firmly believe that if we were face to face we would be on the same page but text simply cant express emotion or body language

you are a great poster J-y19 and a great debater . i consider us friends . i could have come across harshly for sure, after reading how my response could have been taken

i am a hard ass sometimes (ok a lot of times ) but dont think i dislike you or anything or i would attack you personally thru text .

i am a half full guy . i look to answers to make it right and not to succumb to defeat . i support "our " guys and i try not to get too high or too low after a game .

i think we should keep our best young guys and keep using the draft . in the past the team has tried to shortcut success . we have one more year then we have a full draft . we have 2-7 this season . we should be able to address our needs with what we have with good young guys who are under the radar and spending wisely

when i have to make a choice i pick the better player regardless of cost hence i keep a morris or a rak over a RB in a future draft or a jackson/jenkins combo because morris and rak make the team better then jackson/jenkins and our stable of RBs .

 

[Sleepy T]

Morris for a first rounder?? Sure, if it is for a Top 10ish pick for an impact day 1 starter at a huge position of need. We all know this is MUCH more unlikely than a team offering a 1st rounder for Morris under any circumstance. I don't buy that you can just stick anyone in there and have the same productivity. I think it is somewhat comical that some of you folks would trade Morris for a first rounder with the quickness ..but some wouldn't take a 2nd for Cousins..who hasn't done much of anything.

Morris is the key to this offense. The Skins O goes... as he goes. RG, Garcon, Reed and even Helu (who I have blasted in the past..eating crow here, he is playing well) are all key pieces. But if we can't run the damn ball with AM...we usually don't win.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

One-On-One With Alfred Morris - Hogs Haven

What a classy player and all around dude! Alfred is quickly becoming one of my favorite redskins. He's the total package with attitude, character, talent and desire. Love him.

 

[Krusheasy]

good read

 

[Stymietee]

To be honest Morris is such an enigma considering the business that employs him. On the one hand you can't help to admire him for his public personna and approach to the game. On the other, anyone who truly cares about the man and his future beyond football, must wonder why the business side of him is not a bit more selfish. To be sure, his career is not at an end, but in the NFL, planning for that eventually must begin at the moment it starts, careers being as short as they are. For Morris the chances of getting a high end contract here is nearly non existent, that said, while he's surely on a path to find employment elsewhere, there is no guarantee that his next contract will do much towards securing him future.

 

[Breed]

You absolutely take a 1st rounder for Morris. As good as he is, good RBs are a dime a dozen. Peterson is the only RB in the league right now worth a 1st round pick.

Portis had to be mid 20s when he came here. He had been in the league for maybe 4 years, I'd guess.

He was in the NFL 2 years when Gibbs made the first of numerous bonehead multiple pieces for one piece trade, and when your piece gets here you don't use him in a way hell be most successful. I'm not sure if any RB started an NFL career, scratch that. Eric Dickerson surely did yardage-wise at least. Portis ran for over 1500 yards at 5.5 yards a pop and scored 14 or more rushing TDs in each of his two years at Denver.

When he ran for that 64 yard TD against Tampa Bay on his very first carry as a Redskin. My dick got hard figuratively speaking, and a little literally as well. That was as good as it got though imo with CP. Gibbs turned a greyhound into a what was not a greyhound and literally ran him into he ground.

As far as trading Morris. If another team wants to play the clueless Washington Redskins of the past and trade what/who is universally considered the best all around and cover CB in the NFL and a 2nd rd draft pk. Like Gibbs foolishly did with Champ Bailey and a 2nd rd pk for CP. That's simply too good to pass up. No team's gonna do that cuz no team is as dumb front office-wise as the Redskins were back then.

And if RBs are as everyone keeps saying, a dime a dozen. Why would any team offer a 1st rd pk to the Skins for Alf? Consider this as well, if you were going to select a RB with a 1st rd pk or trade a 1st rd k for a RB. Wouldn't you like said RB to possess the one trait Alf certainly does not. That being the ability at anytime to take it to the house from anywhere on the field or at least from a majority part of the field, say 60-65 yards. I would. If there is a Redskins RB other teams are eyeballing its more likely to be Matt Jones, not Alfred Morris. Especially if those doing the eyeballing have as big a woody as many of you do it seems for Jones.

 

[Breed]

good read

How the fubar can you read a story like that and even have an inkling of hope that some team wants to trade for Alfred Morris? Alf is the mothafuckin shit. I hope he's a Redskin for life.