Schwartz vs. Mayhew feud rumor

[RobBase]

Disagree - we had a 9 game winning streak going with Javid...Minus Javid we go 9-19.

Jahvid Best opened up the offense, (and I'm hoping Bush does the same) but everything else looked the same last year. QB, WR's, defense etc...we didn't see any new wrinkles, any new inventiveness, dare I say no improvement from week to week? They looked like the same exact team as when they went 10-6, minus Jahvid Best. Good teams lose key players and find ways to win. The Lions sunk like the Titanic without him. That's why I say they were the same team. No one else improved enough to pick up the slack left behind when he got injured. Stafford looks like the same QB he's always been (maybe even regressed). I want to see this team evolve, not just try to win on natural talent.

 

[Howie115]

They looked like the same exact team as when they went 10-6, minus Jahvid Best.

Can't agree. The DBs were a mess in 2012. Not great, but adequate in 2011. We were bringing up guys off the waiver wire that no NFL teams wanted in their worst nightmares. Grabbing guys from the Arena league, etc. And among the WRs, we lost Burleson to injury and Titus Young to ten-cent-head syndrome.

Then there was the special teams. Not stellar in 2011, but didn't kill us. In 2012 .... oh, my lord. Just godawful. The Lions lost 2 games for sure last season, maybe 3, directly because of special teams.

 

[Principal57]

Talent isn't the issue with our team any more. Coaching, however, doesn't hold the same distinction...

I hope you are right about the talent because I just do not see it. I see...
OL - we had no choice but to blow it up...that said, I'd shit myself if they are any good. S&M and scared shitless that the OL is terrible. They picked up Harris and Scott for fear that nobody can play C or G on this team. Hope I am wrong.
WR - CJ and lots of prayers. Burly as much as I love him looked like he could not get open last year. Broyles is one more hit from following Javid out the door. After that I think we have 27 guys fighting it out for WR positions and probably none of them could make another team in the NFL.
QB - Stafford is one more piece of ass away from pissing all of his talent down the drain.
TE - Pettigrew, another favorite of mine, is about 10 drops away from no longer being a Lion. Scheffler shouldn't be a Lion. Heller ranked highest of all of our TEs on at least 1 TE list I saw and he is gone. Fauria is a non-traditional TE (at best) an Williams will play the Reiff roll if I had to bet.
DE - We may set the record for the fewest sacks by DEs in the history of the NFL this year.
LBs - No one wanted Tulloch and he proved why. Levy would not start on another team in the NFL, that is why he signed for 77 cents a game. Durant was our best LB and we let him go because he could not create turnovers. I am hoping Messina blows up camp and takes someone's job.
CBs - Houston is our best and he was absolutely pathetic the 2nd half of last year.
S - Quin will be an outstanding improvement to our safety play because it has been HORRIBLE for as long as I can remember.
K - when the best player on your team over the past 20 years is a kicker, you really SUCK.

 

[Principal57]

Was that your name on CBS Principal57 ??? or were you a ESPN guy?

It is my name everywhere, but I only posted every now and then on CBS. I have been on ESPN since 2006.

 

[RobBase]

Can't agree. The DBs were a mess in 2012. Not great, but adequate in 2011. We were bringing up guys off the waiver wire that no NFL teams wanted in their worst nightmares. Grabbing guys from the Arena league, etc. And among the WRs, we lost Burleson to injury and Titus Young to ten-cent-head syndrome.

Then there was the special teams. Not stellar in 2011, but didn't kill us. In 2012 .... oh, my lord. Just godawful. The Lions lost 2 games for sure last season, maybe 3, directly because of special teams.

There was some turnover in the secondary but -I don't think they improved in 2012. They might have had a few less injuries, but they were still banged up. 2013 will be the first year of the entire Mayhew regime I actually have hope of fielding the same corners all (or most) the year.

And did they really fix the ST or were those just break down in plays? I feel like they had all the same guys out there last year. Our ST never does anything of any great importance.

 

[tpaulus_2]

I hope you are right about the talent because I just do not see it. I see...

OL - we had no choice but to blow it up...that said, I'd shit myself if they are any good. S&M and scared shitless that the OL is terrible. They picked up Harris and Scott for fear that nobody can play C or G on this team. Hope I am wrong.

I think people will look at the o-line situation as they choose to see it.

Coming from the other side of where you're at- We drafted Backus' replacement in the 1st round last year because we knew his time was close. Obviously a new starter at left tackle is nerve-racking, but Reiff is a damn good option. No reason to assume the worst there. At RT we let Cherilus walk because we knew his salary would be too high and we have two guys waiting in the wings in Fox and Hilliard. They've been with the team for 3 and 4 years, respectively, so they know the system well. At RG Warford should be a straight-up improvement over Peterman, no questions asked.

So the talent-level on the o-line definitely got better this year, it's just a question of how well they gel together. It bugs the hell out of me that people complained about the o-line for years, and now that we're taking steps to fix it they're complaining about that, too. (that's not directed @ you Principal) Can't have it both ways people. We brought in younger, more talented linemen to replace our veterans, that's a good thing going forward.

WR - CJ and lots of prayers. Burly as much as I love him looked like he could not get open last year. Broyles is one more hit from following Javid out the door. After that I think we have 27 guys fighting it out for WR positions and probably none of them could make another team in the NFL.

Wow, I don't even know what to say to this? I know I'm "Mr. Sunshine and Rainbows" around here, but this is way off base, imo.

I'll agree about Burleson not getting much separation before getting injured early last year. Broyles being one more hit away from following Jahvid out the door couldn't be farther from the truth- not to be a dick, but you're familiar with the difference between the brain and the knee, right?

Behind them is Patrick Edwards, who ball all accounts is having a great offseason and should be expected to be our #4 right now. Our #5 looks to be draft pick Corey Fuller, that's a bit of a no-brainer unless he has a disastrous camp. The battle for the final WR spot should be the good one- Mike Thomas and Kris Durham are totally different young WRs who would bring completely different assets to the roster. All four of these guys would easily make another team in the NFL.

QB - Stafford is one more piece of ass away from pissing all of his talent down the drain.

Are you just trying to screw with us at this point? I'm not even sure what this is based on? You're too new to know if you're just dicking around or not...

TE - Pettigrew, another favorite of mine, is about 10 drops away from no longer being a Lion. Scheffler shouldn't be a Lion. Heller ranked highest of all of our TEs on at least 1 TE list I saw and he is gone. Fauria is a non-traditional TE (at best) an Williams will play the Reiff roll if I had to bet.

Meh, not altogether incorrect. I like Scheff more than it sounds like you do, but not much else to argue there. I guess the Fauria thing I can argue- he's not a two-way TE like Pettigrew, but most teams run a "joker" TE like he or Scheff now, so he fits a certain role. Spot on about Williams- he'll be our H-back for sure.

DE - We may set the record for the fewest sacks by DEs in the history of the NFL this year.

I'll bet we get considerably more sacks than last year. Feel free to write that one down. This is the farthest off base yet out of your comments.

I gotta think you're messing with us now...

LBs - No one wanted Tulloch and he proved why. Levy would not start on another team in the NFL, that is why he signed for 77 cents a game. Durant was our best LB and we let him go because he could not create turnovers. I am hoping Messina blows up camp and takes someone's job.

Way, way off on Tully. Levy is average and would start for plenty of teams in the NFL, he's just not a splash player- good for one or two INTs per year and that's about it on the splash plays. Solid OLB though, just not a guy you look at and say "He's awesome/good/great/etc.." just average, which is ok. Durant was horrible last year- by far our worst defender, let alone LB. He couldn't cover a 7th grade TE to save his life. I like Messina, but he'll be lucky to make the roster, let alone take a starting job. Jeesh...

CBs - Houston is our best and he was absolutely pathetic the 2nd half of last year.

If your'e not trying to mess with us, I'd suggest that you start watching Lions games, not getting 4th rate info from a guy you work with whose cousin's girlfriend's brother in law has season tickets...

S - Quin will be an outstanding improvement to our safety play because it has been HORRIBLE for as long as I can remember.

Agreed.

Delmas is a difference-maker when healthy and Don Carey was a revelation late last year, so we're sitting in much better shape than in years prior. There'll be a good battle between Spievey and Silva for the 4th safety spot, imo. I hope Silva gets the spot, love his size.

K - when the best player on your team over the past 20 years is a kicker, you really SUCK.

That or you had one of the top 3 kickers of all-time. When said kicker is the 4th leading scorer in the history of the NFL it says more about the kicker than the lack of talent around him.

However, both Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson overlapped your 20 year time-span there, so I gotta call bullshit on Hanson being our best player for the last 20 years.



I think it's pretty evident that you're just screwing with us- your 53 man roster prediction was way too in touch with the roster for you to be harboring such uninformed opinions about our team in general...

 

[RobBase]

Stafford is one more piece of ass away from pissing all of his talent down the drain.

 

[broncosmitty]

Pretty sure Staff has been dating the same broad since high school. Which helps explain why he's let himself go.

 

[BigJoeWall72]

then we all saw the shady article about Schwartz, his mistress and his custom made tight crotch pants

Ummm, WHAT???

 

[broncosmitty]

Principal, you may not be aware of this yet. But we have rules we are expected to live by, given to us by our un-elected president. First and foremost of these rules, thou shall not question the ability of any player currently under contract. All Detroit Lions are exceptional football players, and any shortcomings are due solely to the coaching staff. It's hard to get used to, as I could have sworn Drayton Florence and Amari Spievey were god awful shitasses, but eventual you just accept their shitassedness is relative to the absurd awesomeness of the rest of the roster. Rule Two: Undrafted free agents quickly gain value to other franchises after spending time in Dtown. Of course it's not due to the coaching the receive while they're here. That would be stupid, and your life would obviously be pathetic and worthless if you thought such a heretical thing. Rather, it has something to do with Quantum Mechanics, I believe. Third rule, every free agent is interesting, due to Rule #1.

 

[Principal57]

Principal, you may not be aware of this yet.

That is some funny shit right there...instant classic.

 

[broncosmitty]

I wish it was funny....

 

[tpaulus_2]

Ummm, WHAT???

Apparently not everyone read that article, apparently...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Principal, you may not be aware of this yet. But we have rules we are expected to live by, given to us by our un-elected president. First and foremost of these rules, thou shall not question the ability of any player currently under contract. All Detroit Lions are exceptional football players, and any shortcomings are due solely to the coaching staff. It's hard to get used to, as I could have sworn Drayton Florence and Amari Spievey were god awful shitasses, but eventual you just accept their shitassedness is relative to the absurd awesomeness of the rest of the roster. Rule Two: Undrafted free agents quickly gain value to other franchises after spending time in Dtown. Of course it's not due to the coaching the receive while they're here. That would be stupid, and your life would obviously be pathetic and worthless if you thought such a heretical thing. Rather, it has something to do with Quantum Mechanics, I believe. Third rule, every free agent is interesting, due to Rule #1.

Wow, that seems pretty harsh... guess I'll have to stop disagreeing with you about Schwartz being a crappy head coach- didn't realize it was getting your panties in such a bunch.

If you want to agree with what Principal said there, be my guest, but a lot of that stuff stuck me as being way out line with reality. My bad for speaking up, I guess...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Here you go Big Joe:

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/detroit-lions/103189-backus-dishes-schwartz.html

Total hackjob article, fyi. Some funny stuff, but it doesn't seem to stack up.

 

[RobBase]

Pretty sure Staff has been dating the same broad since high school. Which helps explain why he's let himself go.

It's amazing the power of the party banner. Completely turned the pimp into a stereotype.

 

[Principal57]

...Reiff is a damn good option...

You are the first person I have read in any forum or from any pundit that says Reiff is a damn good option. I hope you are right though, I still see him as a damn good option at RG.

...At RT...we have two guys waiting in the wings in Fox and Hilliard...

Hilliard is a career backup if he beats out Fox we are in real trouble. Fox on the other hand has all the makings of an average NFL LT. His measurables do not stack up even close to those of a decent prospect. Again we can only hope that he turns out to be an overachiever.

...At RG Warford should be a straight-up improvement over Peterman, no questions asked...

Well, I will question that...99% of armchair QBs hated Peterman from day 1. He had an above average 2011 season and was at the top of all NFL G's with respect to screen blocking and he had that good year while playing injured. He was unquestionably awful in 2012. I think he gave up, we will see how he performs as a Jet. Now as for Warford, I love how you have handed him the starting RG job. I will believe it when I see it. Harris and Scott both should be able to beat out Warford. You obviously are among those fans who believe all draft picks should walk in to starting jobs. Warford himself said the #1 priority for him was to transform his body into an NFL ready body. If he did that during OTAs I would be amazed.

...So the talent-level on the o-line definitely got better this year, it's just a question of how well they gel together. It bugs the hell out of me that people complained about the o-line for years, and now that we're taking steps to fix it they're complaining about that, too. (that's not directed @ you Principal) Can't have it both ways people. We brought in younger, more talented linemen to replace our veterans, that's a good thing going forward...

I believe some of the first words I ever spoke were complaints about the Lions OL and I was born in 1957. However, I too have been calling for an overhaul of the OL and followed that up with, "No matter who we bring in they cannot be worse than our current OL." Unfortunately, they also may not be any better though. One of my worse nightmares is that our 2013 OL resembles the Bears OLs the past few years.

...Broyles being one more hit away from following Jahvid out the door couldn't be farther from the truth- not to be a dick, but you're familiar with the difference between the brain and the knee, right?...

Well you are trying to be a dick, but you know that. Broyles would not be the 1st guy to have a career shortened due to multiple injuries...Charles Rogers...off the top of my head and he was the 2nd overall pick.

...Edwards, Fuller, Thomas and Durham...All four of these guys would easily make another team in the NFL...

Really...Edwards had a great 2012 OTAs and camps...however if he is "all that" and I hope he is, why wasn't he picked up off of our practice squad last year? I am sure some team could have easily eaten a spot on their 53-man roster for such a prize as Edwards. I have Fuller making our 53. Thomas was not wanted by the worse teams when he became available. He had to fall 12 spots on waivers to get to us. Now if he cannot make it on the worse 12 teams how does he make it now if we cut him loose? Durham was working at Jiffy Lube prior to signing with the Lions.

...I like Scheff more than it sounds like you do, but not much else to argue there. I guess the Fauria thing I can argue...

Scheffler is not worth $3M in cap space...There is a reason Fauria went undrafted.

...I'll bet we get considerably more sacks than last year. Feel free to write that one down...

I archieve everything that I think is garbage...I will take your bet on that

...Way, way off on Tully...

Tulloch is a very poor MLB. He lacks the ability to read the play. He is successful only when he guesses right. OK I will give you the one about Hanson, I was wrong there. He is the 3rd best Lion over the past 20 years. That still blows goats.

 

[themuzzer]

Matty is and always will be a pimp. Dude is a good QB. You don't throw for over 5000 yards and turn around and almost do it again the following year if you suck.

I don't give a shit if it's off his back foot or side arm......Sunny Jurgensen completed a pass behind his back. Stafford is a quality QB, You don't want to let him go.

 

[Howie115]

Stafford IS a quality QB, but a 20/17 TD/INT ratio won't cut it this season. I'll concede that some of the INTs were done trying to make plays in the many games in which the team was trailing. But a drop to 20/17 from 41/16 the previous season is very steep.

 

[themuzzer]

Stafford IS a quality QB, but a 20/17 TD/INT ratio won't cut it this season. I'll concede that some of the INTs were done trying to make plays in the many games in which the team was trailing. But a drop to 20/17 from 41/16 the previous season is very steep.

Agreed, but missing your #2,3,4 WR in Broyles, Burly, Titus didn't help. I can forgive Matty for that. Hard to rack up TDs when you only have CJ and 3 guys covering him.