Great Article on Kobe being overrated

[tlance]

That is a good point.

MJ and LBJ have never been Robin, but Kobe has. That is not the definition of the greatest player of all-time in my book. That is why Lebron has a chance.

I think you are going a little too far here against Kobe. The fact that he played Robin on those Laker teams should not take away from his legacy, but they should be viewed differently.

Sman constanly reminds us of LeBron's failures in 2007 and the 2004 Olympics when Lebron was a pup. If LeBron had been the Robin on his Cav teams in stead of Batman, how many titles would he have?

LeBron wasn't ready to lead any team to a title back then even if the roster had been better. Kobe was not ready to lead the Lakers either, but he was a damn good second option.

 

[Vitamike]

Not really, regardless of what tiny cameo LBJ played in this article debating LBJs level of over or underrating is not the topic of this discussion.

Call it 'cameo' if you will however the blogger called LBJ and Wade eventual All Time Greats all the while bagging on Kobe. So it's fair ground to bring up either for that reason, like it or not.

Also in the article the blogger compares Kobe's stats to other players to establish a base line. What's wrong with anyone here on this thread doing the same? A lot of you just want to pile on Sman at whatever turn because he is bold in stating his opinions, it's really that simple.

He never once even used Kobe's name or referred to him, how is that relevant?

He didn't?

Not once?

Then what is this....

You might want to recheck your stats. LOL...

They're all wrong....

in 2000 Kobe didn't average 29, he averaged 22.5 pts in the regular season...

LOL...Who wrote this article, all the stats are way off....

And Of course Kobe only averaged 15 pts in the finals in 2000. He only played the first quarter in game 3 since he sprained his ankle and missed the next game...If you only play half a quarter and go scoreless in a 5 game series your average is affected enormously..

In 2001 Kobe had a higher average in the finals then the regular season...

LOL..

Where did you get these stats from..They're nonsense...LOL..

Nice try.

Also everyone knows the real finals back then was the western conference finals. Did you know Kobe always outperformed shaq. Like in 2001, Kobe averaged 34 pts against S.a in sweeping them.

That's the same team that swept Lebron in the finals when lebron shot 34 pct in the finals...LOll


Learn the game, asswipe.

This is so WRONG since Kobe was the go-to laker in the clutch..But ofcourse Zo was frustrated with Shaq, and not Kobe. Zo was guarding Shaq not Kobe..

I can agree that he didn't in that one post but he established a respect to Kobe in his prior posts for his last. Let's not split hairs now, he mentioned him at least 10 times, 8 times by name. That should be enough.

 

[bksballer89]

Check that, a blog with many laughable mistakes and opinions, yet some here want to call it Great! (Cough, cough BK!)

BK, this type of shit is why people clown on you brother.

I clearly stated that this article was from 2009 but as I stated most of the points are still valid. I never saw the article until my friend sent to me via twitter.

You cannot argue that some of the points in this article are still valid today.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

Let's not split hairs now.

Fair enough, agree to disagree With that I assume we are opening the thread open to discuss LBJ and his rated appropriateness level?


LBJ has done more for any team he has been a part of than Kobe has. He plays better defense, is a better passer, a better rebounder and a better leader. He takes a pay cut to help make the team better. Sure he has had moments where he looked horrible but that happens when you play 5 on 1 or go up against a team playing perfectly when your team is not even playing well together. Kobe has had plenty of horrific moments.

Kobe will make $10m more next year than LBJ after making $10m more than him last year.

END OF DISCUSSION

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Call it 'cameo' if you will however the blogger called LBJ and Wade eventual All Time Greats all the while bagging on Kobe. So it's fair ground to bring up either for that reason, like it or not.

Also in the article the blogger compares Kobe's stats to other players to establish a base line. What's wrong with anyone here on this thread doing the same? A lot of you just want to pile on Sman at whatever turn because he is bold in stating his opinions, it's really that simple.

He didn't?

Not once?

Then what is this....







I can agree that he didn't in that one post but he established a respect to Kobe in his prior posts for his last. Let's not split hairs now, he mentioned him at least 10 times, 8 times by name. That should be enough.

You guys are all searching for numbers to make a case for your guys vs their guy.
Regardless, all of the players you are talking about are included in the conversations for top players to ever play the game.
Every fan base would love to have had a Wade, James or Bryant on their roster over the last decade.

None of them are perfect, they have all had some not so great games or series, but really, all you are doing in nit picking.

When any/all of them are gone from the game and/or your team, you will be missing and remembering all of the great things they did, not this type of nonsense.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

Why does LA have no love for Shaq?

 

[lakersrule]

Why does LA have no love for Shaq?

We love Shaq out here. I ranked him higher than Kobe on my all-time top 15 list. He is higher on my favorite Lakers list than Kobe. What the heck are you talking about?

 

[lakersrule]

You guys are all searching for numbers to make a case for your guys vs their guy.
Regardless, all of the players you are talking about are included in the conversations for top players to ever play the game.
Every fan base would love to have had a Wade, James or Bryant on their roster over the last decade.

None of them are perfect, they have all had some not so great games or series, but really, all you are doing in nit picking.

When any/all of them are gone from the game and/or your team, you will be missing and remembering all of the great things they did, not this type of nonsense.

Exactly. Why not just sit back and enjoy watching these greats play rather than attempt to marginalize their careers?

 

[Shanemansj13]

I think you are going a little too far here against Kobe. The fact that he played Robin on those Laker teams should not take away from his legacy, but they should be viewed differently.

Sman constanly reminds us of LeBron's failures in 2007 and the 2004 Olympics when Lebron was a pup. If LeBron had been the Robin on his Cav teams in stead of Batman, how many titles would he have?

LeBron wasn't ready to lead any team to a title back then even if the roster had been better. Kobe was not ready to lead the Lakers either, but he was a damn good second option.

I think Lebron was ready in Cleveland, he carried the team. I don't think could of carried a team like Lebron did early in his career. But no way in can carry and team past the dynasty Spurs.

What I mean is the greatest player on earth is not a Robin at any point in his career, nit taking anything away from Kobe. He was actually enough to play with an all-time great and then creat his own legacy as a Batman that he is definitely capable of doing. So it isn't taking away from him, w/o the Robin comment still don't think he can surpass MJ.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

We love Shaq out here. I ranked him higher than Kobe on my all-time top 15 list. He is higher on my favorite Lakers list than Kobe. What the heck are you talking about?

Nobody talks about him, I mistook that for no love.

Honestly if I was a Laker fan I would hate Kobe for ruining what was a great 1-2 punch.

 

[Vitamike]

You guys are all searching for numbers to make a case for your guys vs their guy.
Regardless, all of the players you are talking about are included in the conversations for top players to ever play the game.
Every fan base would love to have had a Wade, James or Bryant on their roster over the last decade.

None of them are perfect, they have all had some not so great games or series, but really, all you are doing in nit picking.

When any/all of them are gone from the game and/or your team, you will be missing and remembering all of the great things they did, not this type of nonsense.

Why would you quote me and say this? I have not made a single statement or case in this thread for any one player or another.

I have been known to say both here on the hoop and CBS that I really don't like ranking players of all time. I personally think it is impossible to quantify such things, too many variables come into play.

It's difficult enough to rank players in a single year, really what it a season MVP? Do we change the qualifications from year to year? Why did we even change it in the 80's?

There is Joe Paterno quote that goes "You're never as good as you think you are when you win; and your'e never as bad as you feel when you lose". I think to some degree, the same thing goes for these Great BB players and the way we view them in history. I mean they are not as great as they are when they win and they are not as bad as the media and haters make them out to be when they lose. We all know, if the Spurs 80% free throw shooter hit just 3 of 4 FT late (75%) in game 6 or the Spurs get that last rebound in regulation, LeBron goes down as a choker in the Finals losing 3 out of 4, instead it turns out the way it did, those two both hit one of two. Now LeBron and company get another chance and make good. Suddenly LeBron is clutch instead of a failure. Sorry too fine of a line for me to swing my opinion like that.

You all have fun with that....

 

[Shanemansj13]

Why would you quote me and say this? I have not made a single statement or case in this thread for any one player or another.

I have been known to say both here on the hoop and CBS that I really don't like ranking players of all time. I personally think it is impossible to quantify such things, too many variables come into play.

It's difficult enough to rank players in a single year, really what it a season MVP? Do we change the qualifications from year to year? Why did we even change it in the 80's?

There is Joe Paterno quote that goes "You're never as good as you think you are when you win; and your'e never as bad as you feel when you lose". I think to some degree, the same thing goes for these Great BB players and the way we view them in history. I mean they are not as great as they are when they win and they are not as bad as the media and haters make them out to be when they lose. We all know, if the Spurs 80% free throw shooter hit just 3 of 4 FT late (75%) in game 6 or the Spurs get that last rebound in regulation, LeBron goes down as a choker in the Finals losing 3 out of 4, instead it turns out the way it did, those two both hit one of two. Now LeBron and company get another chance and make good. Suddenly LeBron is clutch instead of a failure. Sorry too fine of a line for me to swing my opinion like that.

You all have fun with that....

I guess choke stands for L

And clutch stands for W

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Why would you quote me and say this? I have not made a single statement or case in this thread for any one player or another.

I have been known to say both here on the hoop and CBS that I really don't like ranking players of all time. I personally think it is impossible to quantify such things, too many variables come into play.

It's difficult enough to rank players in a single year, really what it a season MVP? Do we change the qualifications from year to year? Why did we even change it in the 80's?

There is Joe Paterno quote that goes "You're never as good as you think you are when you win; and your'e never as bad as you feel when you lose". I think to some degree, the same thing goes for these Great BB players and the way we view them in history. I mean they are not as great as they are when they win and they are not as bad as the media and haters make them out to be when they lose. We all know, if the Spurs 80% free throw shooter hit just 3 of 4 FT late (75%) in game 6 or the Spurs get that last rebound in regulation, LeBron goes down as a choker in the Finals losing 3 out of 4, instead it turns out the way it did, those two both hit one of two. Now LeBron and company get another chance and make good. Suddenly LeBron is clutch instead of a failure. Sorry too fine of a line for me to swing my opinion like that.

You all have fun with that....

Sorry. Just selected any post to reply to.
Wasn't implying that it was your position.
Anyway, I agree with you. Rankings make fun conversation, but are nothing but opinions.
Great players are great players. Enjoy them. Remember them, because they don't come around very often.

 

[lakersrule]

Nobody talks about him, I mistook that for no love.

Honestly if I was a Laker fan I would hate Kobe for ruining what was a great 1-2 punch.

Shaq deserves fault for the relationship fracturing as well. Kobe's main issue with Shaq was Shaq not being in shape. I can only imagine how great Shaq's resume would have been if he didn't get fat during the summertime.

 

[shitsho]

Shaq deserves fault for the relationship fracturing as well. Kobe's main issue with Shaq was Shaq not being in shape. I can only imagine how great Shaq's resume would have been if he didn't get fat during the summertime.

It must have really pissed Kobe off. He dropped a dime on Shaq to the police.

 

[lakersrule]

It must have really pissed Kobe off. He dropped a dime on Shaq to the police.

Their relationship was pretty bad off by then. Not a cool move by Kobe. Doesn't change the fact that Shaq was also responsible for their fractured relationship.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

Shaq deserves fault for the relationship fracturing as well. Kobe's main issue with Shaq was Shaq not being in shape. I can only imagine how great Shaq's resume would have been if he didn't get fat during the summertime.

A lot of pro athletes gain weight in the off season. It helps recover and maintain muscle. Most pro athletes come into preseason in good shape though. In Shaq's case I can see it not mattering as much with 82 game seasons.

It must have really pissed Kobe off. He dropped a dime on Shaq to the police.

whoa whoa whoa...give me a link!!!

 

[shitsho]

A lot of pro athletes gain weight in the off season. It helps recover and maintain muscle. Most pro athletes come into preseason in good shape though. In Shaq's case I can see it not mattering as much with 82 game seasons.



whoa whoa whoa...give me a link!!!

Later, news came out that Bryant had referred to O'Neal while being questioned by police in 2003. According to reports, Bryant stated that he should have paid off his women so that they wouldn't say anything, like O'Neal. Bryant also stated that O'Neal would pay women up to US$1 million to stay quiet about their rendezvous. It also was reported that investigators had told O'Neal of Bryant's supposed statements shortly after the investigation had begun. O'Neal denied these claims, stating that Bryant had no idea about O'Neal's personal business since the two of them rarely spent any time together. O'Neal went as far as to say that he "[wasn't] the one buying love, [Bryant was] the one buying love", a reference to Bryant's purchase of a multi-million dollar diamond ring for his wife in the aftermath of the revelation that Bryant had been unfaithful to her.[104]

Shaq?Kobe feud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BOTSLAYER]

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/sep/29/sports/sp-bryant29


LOL horrible by Kobe.


Reading wikipedia I am finding a hard time siding with Kobe here.

Shaq?Kobe feud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[shitsho]

Their relationship was pretty bad off by then. Not a cool move by Kobe. Doesn't change the fact that Shaq was also responsible for their fractured relationship.

No one is 100% at fault in any feud.