Rangers & Tigers

[jta4437]

we will have to wait and see but Wash is only going to use him as he sees fit and is not going to listen to anyone on this board

We understand this, hence he will continue to get bashed by people who refuse to agree with the manager just bc he is the manager

I've seen the numbers where we would be if we trotted out 9 Micahel Young's, (its worse than the Astros), I have yet to see anything that shows where we would be if we had just a LEAGUE AVERAGE DH instead of Young, might be interesting

 

[Windingmywatch]

we will have to wait and see but Wash is only going to use him as he sees fit and is not going to listen to anyone on this board

You are right he's not listening to anyone here. But he will listen to the guys who are stuffing his bench with talent and not making a move to give him a UIF and are holding that over his head.

You think Wash is nuts enough to start MY at SS and let him blow one double play ball? Last guy who did that got shot to the sun. And this time it will not be MY that gets shot to the sun but the guy who put him there.

JD is telling Wash ... I'm not getting you a UIF until you start playing Olt ... and platoon Murphy and Young at DH.

 

[AGZBASEBALL]

Its sad to see whats happening with Michael Young right now. Has meant so much to this Franchise. But I know Nastalgia doesn't hit and Field the Baseball. When I went to the Game Saturday Night and a Ball was Hit directly to Young. He was Very slow in reacting to hit and bobbled it for a moment. Managed to get the Runner by a Step but the Play shouldn't have been that close. Young's range in the Field whatever Position He plays is non existent. Way worse then Last Year. Not in any kind of funk. Not a Mental Thing. Young just doesn't have it.

 

[1502tuley]

we will have to wait and see but Wash is only going to use him as he sees fit and is not going to listen to anyone on this board

I seriously doubt anyone here thinks Wash wakes up each morning and logs onto this forum to seek advice. Having said that, that doesn't mean that the opinions expressed here aren't justified and completely accurate.

 

[WilltheThrill]

Right? Last I remember, he's the manager of the team that holds the best record in the AL currently.

#wishwecouldbesolucky

And that automatically makes him a great manager. Sure.

"But...but...but... 2 World Series appearances... best record in the AL..."

You know what's better than that? One World Series WIN and a double digit lead in the division. Managers can't win games, players do that. But they sure can lose them by putting weak players in key spots and calling for particular plays at horrible times. If only casual fans understood that.

Wash is good at half of the managerial equation- getting the most out of his players. The other half, the tactical part, not so much.

 

[fordman84]

I seriously doubt anyone here thinks Wash wakes up each morning and logs onto this forum to seek advice. Having said that, that doesn't mean that the opinions expressed here aren't justified and completely accurate.

I don't know. I bet he sounds a lot like Pops.

 

[fordman84]

All I know is that when I start a series thread we tend to get smoked, so I'm not starting a skankees thread.

With that said, I hope we open up a lead in the first hour so I can watch the first series of the Cowboys game tonight.

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

And that automatically makes him a great manager. Sure.

"But...but...but... 2 World Series appearances... best record in the AL..."

You know what's better than that? One World Series WIN and a double digit lead in the division. Managers can't win games, players do that. But they sure can lose them by putting weak players in key spots and calling for particular plays at horrible times. If only casual fans understood that.

Wash is good at half of the managerial equation- getting the most out of his players. The other half, the tactical part, not so much.

Who said he's a "great" manager? Can throw in all the words you want to make yourself look good..... but no one here called him a "great" manager. And just lol @ the "casual fan" remark. If you think I'm that... you are sorely mistaken.

Wash is horrible at in-game decisions. Its been stated a million times over...

But as a leader / go into battle with you / getting the most out of everyone... he's quite good at. If only the ones that bitch and moan night in and night out would realize that.

Instead, its always

Sometimes his decisions work... sometimes they dont. (more often the latter). Do not believe anyone is disputing that?

 

[fordman84]

Who said he's a "great" manager? Can throw in all the words you want to make yourself look good..... but no one here called him a "great" manager. And just lol @ the "casual fan" remark. If you think I'm that... you are sorely mistaken.

Wash is horrible at in-game decisions. Its been stated a million times over...

But as a leader / go into battle with you / getting the most out of everyone... he's quite good at. If only the ones that bitch and moan night in and night out would realize that.

Instead, its always

Sometimes his decisions work... sometimes they dont. (more often the latter). Do not believe anyone is disputing that?

Can you imagine if we had Joe Maddon as our coach? Remember the bone headed calls he made in our first WS run playoff game against TPA?

 

[romeo212000]

Who said he's a "great" manager? Can throw in all the words you want to make yourself look good..... but no one here called him a "great" manager. And just lol @ the "casual fan" remark. If you think I'm that... you are sorely mistaken.

Wash is horrible at in-game decisions. Its been stated a million times over...

But as a leader / go into battle with you / getting the most out of everyone... he's quite good at. If only the ones that bitch and moan night in and night out would realize that.

Instead, its always

Sometimes his decisions work... sometimes they dont. (more often the latter). Do not believe anyone is disputing that?

I understand that. And that's important to get you through a season, but when the playoffs come that goes out the window and it's all about managing the game.

 

[WilltheThrill]

Who said he's a "great" manager? Can throw in all the words you want to make yourself look good..... but no one here called him a "great" manager. And just lol @ the "casual fan" remark. If you think I'm that... you are sorely mistaken.

Wash is horrible at in-game decisions. Its been stated a million times over...

But as a leader / go into battle with you / getting the most out of everyone... he's quite good at. If only the ones that bitch and moan night in and night out would realize that.

Instead, its always

Sometimes his decisions work... sometimes they dont. (more often the latter). Do not believe anyone is disputing that?

I never said you were a casual fan. I was merely commenting on the casual fans who use the "2 world series/best record" argument as proof that Wash is some great manager. I used your quote because you mentioned the best record part. Sorry if you took my post the wrong way.

 

[Al Falfa]

And that automatically makes him a great manager. Sure.

"But...but...but... 2 World Series appearances... best record in the AL..."

You know what's better than that? One World Series WIN and a double digit lead in the division. Managers can't win games, players do that. But they sure can lose them by putting weak players in key spots and calling for particular plays at horrible times. If only casual fans understood that.

Wash is good at half of the managerial equation- getting the most out of his players. The other half, the tactical part, not so much.

They are 21 games over .500 so evidently something is being done right. It's mind boggling that the casual fan doesn't understand what they are posting.

 

[romeo212000]

They are 21 games over .500 so evidently something is being done right. It's mind boggling that the casual fan doesn't understand what they are posting.

It's mind boggling how the casual can cannot see how outclassed he's been in two WS.

 

[WilltheThrill]

They are 21 games over .500 so evidently something is being done right. It's mind boggling that the casual fan doesn't understand what they are posting.

Who ever said "nothing was being done right"? I'm sorry if you don't understand that the Rangers are 21 games over .500 because they are loaded with talent. I'm also sorry if you missed the part where I credited Wash with being good at getting the most out of his players. Pretty sure that indicates that "something" is being done right.

Perhaps you're content with some things being done right. I, along with a lot of other posters here, would rather have most things being done right. If you think that Wash's lineups and tactical decisions haven't cost the Rangers some games this year, you haven't been paying very close attention.

 

[Al Falfa]

Who ever said "nothing was being done right"? I'm sorry if you don't understand that the Rangers are 21 games over .500 because they are loaded with talent. I'm also sorry if you missed the part where I credited Wash with being good at getting the most out of his players. Pretty sure that indicates that "something" is being done right.

Perhaps you're content with some things being done right. I, along with a lot of other posters here, would rather have most things being done right. If you think that Wash's lineups and tactical decisions haven't cost the Rangers some games this year, you haven't been paying very close attention.

If you were s smart as you think you are you would realize that you don't have one of the better records in baseball, despite pitching injuries, and a month and half slump without doing MOST things right. It's just stupid to harp on a guy who has guided his team to two WS berths and to where they are to date in the year following those two years. Tactical decisions? Hey coach, put me in next.

 

[WilltheThrill]

If you were s smart as you think you are you would realize that you don't have one of the better records in baseball, despite pitching injuries, and a month and half slump without doing MOST things right. It's just stupid to harp on a guy who has guided his team to two WS berths and to where they are to date in the year following those two years. Tactical decisions? Hey coach, put me in next.

Scores of posters on here post stuff all the time about Ron Washington and you stay silent, but as soon as I say something, you jump on it with a snarky response. Why am I not surprised?

You have really, really exposed yourself as someone with a low baseball IQ with this nonsense. I DO know as much as I think I do. I've never claimed to know it all. I'm not the end-all be-all zen master when it comes to baseball, but I played the game from the age of 5 all the way through junior college. I grew up playing on year-round select teams with the likes of Vernon Wells and Ben Grieve. I know the game well enough to spot BLATANTLY OBVIOUS poor in-game management. I'm sorry you don't. You think it's a coincidence that romeo, jta, turley, fanman, stinky britches, elziethegreat, among others on here have ALL had the exact same gripes about Wash's moves? Really? We've all got it wrong?

Even the guy who you say is your friend Windingmywatch is highly critical of Wash's insistence on playing Mike Young and his lineup setting. I've never said anything about firing Ron Washington like many others here have, yet again it's my post criticizing Ron's tactical moves which you choose to single out. You have been nothing but an argumentative a-hole toward me since I joined here. I've said numerous times that if you don't like my posts, you can just ignore them (which you claim to do). Yet here you are again, calling me the casual fan and saying I don't know that much. Funny how I constantly get credited by others here for being pretty knowledgeable.

Argue all you want. Spin it any way you like. But if you honestly stand by your statement that the Rangers' W-L record over the last 3 years is because of Ron Washington's guidance, then there is no point in debating with you. It really is that simple.

 

[Al Falfa]

Scores of posters on here post stuff all the time about Ron Washington and you stay silent, but as soon as I say something, you jump on it with a snarky response. Why am I not surprised?

You have really, really exposed yourself as someone with a low baseball IQ with this nonsense. I DO know as much as I think I do. I've never claimed to know it all. I'm not the end-all be-all zen master when it comes to baseball, but I played the game from the age of 5 all the way through junior college. I grew up playing on year-round select teams with the likes of Vernon Wells and Ben Grieve. I know the game well enough to spot BLATANTLY OBVIOUS poor in-game management. I'm sorry you don't. You think it's a coincidence that romeo, jta, turley, fanman, stinky britches, elziethegreat, among others on here have ALL had the exact same gripes about Wash's moves? Really? We've all got it wrong?

Even the guy who you say is your friend Windingmywatch is highly critical of Wash's insistence on playing Mike Young and his lineup setting. I've never said anything about firing Ron Washington like many others here have, yet again it's my post criticizing Ron's tactical moves which you choose to single out. You have been nothing but an argumentative a-hole toward me since I joined here. I've said numerous times that if you don't like my posts, you can just ignore them (which you claim to do). Yet here you are again, calling me the casual fan and saying I don't know that much. Funny how I constantly get credited by others here for being pretty knowledgeable.

Argue all you want. Spin it any way you like. But if you honestly stand by your statement that the Rangers' W-L record over the last 3 years is because of Ron Washington's guidance, then there is no point in debating with you. It really is that simple.

Jesus, you are one touchy little critter. I never said the W-L record was because of Washington, but you can bet your ass that's what he will be judged on and not some blind speculation over what might have been. Got a news flash for you, Will. Unless you are playing, coaching or managing then you are nothing more than a casual fan. If you view yourself as anything more than a baseball fan with a computer then you are dillusional.

 

[WilltheThrill]

Jesus, you are one touchy little critter. I never said the W-L record was because of Washington, but you can bet your ass that's what he will be judged on and not some blind speculation over what might have been. Got a news flash for you, Will. Unless you are playing, coaching or managing then you are nothing more than a casual fan. If you view yourself as anything more than a baseball fan with a computer then you are dillusional.

So there's no difference between a fan who has studied and played the game his whole life and just a casual fan, maybe a housewife who doesn't even know all the rules? Anyone not playing, coaching, or managing falls into the same category- casual fan? Do you really believe that?

We're all "baseball fans with computers". It doesn't mean that some of us don't know more than others and can't spot things that others can't while watching the game. I'm no baseball genius and I don't have to be to spot Wash's boneheaded moves. We're talking really basic stuff here that Wash has trouble with. I'm not calling for him to be fired. I'm not going overboard. I'm not saying the sky is falling. But it doesn't take a baseball guru to see that Wash often makes moves or sets lineups which put the Rangers at a disadvantage. Starting MY and batting him 5th/6th every game is just one example of that. The guy with the lowest WAR in the entire league plays every day and bats in the middle of the order. Please let me know how Wash isn't hurting the Rangers with his managing there and then explain why as fans we're not supposed to notice.

 

[scotsman1948]

I never said you were a casual fan. I was merely commenting on the casual fans who use the "2 world series/best record" argument as proof that Wash is some great manager. I used your quote because you mentioned the best record part. Sorry if you took my post the wrong way.

never said he was a great manager, just that the team has reached 2 straight WS and is 20 games over .500 with him as manager. you don't fire a manager with those kind of stats.

 

[jta4437]

never said he was a great manager, just that the team has reached 2 straight WS and is 20 games over .500 with him as manager. you don't fire a manager with those kind of stats.

If you feel like he'll never lead you over the top due to his boneheaded lineup decisions and in game decisions, yes you do

I'm not saying it'll be mid-season, but there will be a come to Jesus meeting between Wash, JD and Nolan in the offseason, if Wash doesn't get on board with OBVIOUS changes that need to be made, I could see the change being made is Wash