The Case Against MJ as the GOAT (topical discussion only please)

[Jordan23]

@Jordan23 if you plan to for the first time own a mistake give me a heads up so I can get in on the FD action.

Did I not explain that I did and what I was meaning? I meant AD and him together when LeBron failed. Not LeBron joining an AD team. Thought I told you that already

 

[dtgold88]

Did I not explain that I did and what I was meaning? I meant AD and him together when LeBron failed. Not LeBron joining an AD team. Thought I told you that already

me - Lebron left a Finals team for a much lesser talented team (FYI, this happened 2X)
you - An AD talentless team. You are full of shit

FD now at +11 bil-1

 

[Jordan23]

me - Lebron left a Finals team for a much lesser talented team (FYI, this happened 2X)
you - An AD talentless team. You are full of shit

FD now at +11 bil-1

Keep trying rookie. You can spew whatever you want. I didn’t exactly write my comment correctly I admit but I was referring to how he needed to have AD join up. Deal with it

 

[Jordan23]

@dtgold88 Jordan went 660 games without losing 3 in a row. Leflop made it to like 140, lol. More help!!!!

 

[Mr. Friscus]

@dtgold88 Jordan went 660 games without losing 3 in a row. Leflop made it to like 140, lol. More help!!!!

That’s a team stat…

 

[Pastafazul]

What the hell is goin on in this thread

You tellin me these 2 maga and friskis have this shit in their heads and can spew it out so easily…

Dammm these are some smart muther fackers


Hope you have used this to be financially successful, if not , yur some dum muther fackers…

 

[Jordan23]

That’s a team stat…

Lebron has had all stars around him continuously but still loses more.

 

[tlance]

Lebron has had all stars around him continuously but still loses more.

Pippen
Horace Grant
BJ Armstrong

All made all star teams with the Bulls and Rodman was 2 time all star before Chicago and Kukoc was 6th man of the year.

All in an era where stars were more spread out than ever.

Let’s not act like MJ’s cupboard was bare. The championship Bulls teams were stacked.

 

[Jordan23]

Pippen
Horace Grant
BJ Armstrong

All made all star teams with the Bulls and Rodman was 2 time all star before Chicago and Kukoc was 6th man of the year.

All in an era where stars were more spread out than ever.

Let’s not act like MJ’s cupboard was bare. The championship Bulls teams were stacked.

Armstrong and Grant, sorry it’s just funny how you list those guys as to why Jordan went almost 500 games longer without losing 3 in a row yet LeBron has had AD, Kyrie, Love, Bosh, Wade……. Nice try

 

[tlance]

Armstrong and Grant, sorry it’s just funny how you list those guys as to why Jordan went almost 500 games longer without losing 3 in a row yet LeBron has had AD, Kyrie, Love, Bosh, Wade……. Nice try

LeBron played for 3 different franchises and played in an era where the top teams have 2-4 all stars and sometimes multiple MVP level players.

Nice try.

 

[DJ Fieri]

@dtgold88 Jordan went 660 games without losing 3 in a row. Leflop made it to like 140, lol. More help!!!!

MJ is playing 1 on 5?

Interesting.

 

[dtgold88]

@dtgold88 Jordan went 660 games without losing 3 in a row. Leflop made it to like 140, lol. More help!!!!

OK? Not sure how that can take away you thinking AD was on the Lakers when Lebron got there.

 

[dtgold88]

Keep trying rookie. You can spew whatever you want. I didn’t exactly write my comment correctly I admit but I was referring to how he needed to have AD join up. Deal with it

you were wrong and as usual wont own it. But let's go with this lie that you knew......does that mean you will admit Lebron left a Finals team for a less talented Laker team? Never mind left a Finals team in Miami to join a less talented Cavs team, too.

 

[Jordan23]

you were wrong and as usual wont own it. But let's go with this lie that you knew......does that mean you will admit Lebron left a Finals team for a less talented Laker team? Never mind left a Finals team in Miami to join a less talented Cavs team, too.

Lie would be saying I didn’t know. I follow hoops and knew since AD was traded that LeBron was already there. Keep talking back like a dumb fuck though

 

[MAGA2024]

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@MAGA2024 Dude seriously….

I'll take that drivel as your waving of the white flag of defeat.

 

[MAGA2024]

Pippen
Horace Grant
BJ Armstrong

All made all star teams with the Bulls and Rodman was 2 time all star before Chicago and Kukoc was 6th man of the year.

All in an era where stars were more spread out than ever.

Let’s not act like MJ’s cupboard was bare. The championship Bulls teams were stacked.

The second 3-Peat was stacked 1-7, no question. The first 3-Peat, no so much.

BJ Armstrong?? He averaged 15-PPG, 2-REB and 4-AST on 48% shooting the year he made the all-star team.

Get a grip.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The second 3-Peat was stacked 1-7, no question. The first 3-Peat, no so much.

BJ Armstrong?? He averaged 15-PPG, 2-REB and 4-AST on 48% shooting the year he made the all-star team.

Get a grip.

And his ascension coincided perfectly with the Pistons, Celtics, and Lakers hitting their respective ends.

If he had to face the late 10s Warriors early 90s MJ is not winning 3 titles. Full stop.

 

[MAGA2024]

And his ascension coincided perfectly with the Pistons, Celtics, and Lakers hitting their respective ends.

If he had to face the late 10s Warriors early 90s MJ is not winning 3 titles. Full stop.

No... BJ's his 'ascension' coincided with him taking over "starting" PG duties from John Paxson, circa 1993.

As for the Warriors, the KD/Curry teams would have been a challenge, sure... that's about it though. People forget the 90's Bulls were the late10's/early 20's Warriors. They were the juggernaut, except unlike the Warriors, no one beat MJ's Bulls.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

No... BJ's his 'ascension' coincided with him taking over "starting" PG duties from John Paxson, circa 1993.

As for the Warriors, the KD/Curry teams would have been a challenge, sure... that's about it though. People forget the 90's Bulls were the late10's/early 20's Warriors. They were the juggernaut, except unlike the Warriors, no one beat MJ's Bulls.

Because their quality of competition was subpar. We've gone around and around on this. The fact the Dubs lost a finals is due to a much better competitive environment they found themselves in than the early 90s Bulls were.

There is a distinct reason MJs Bulls didn't get to the top of the hill until after those teams fell off.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Because their quality of competition was subpar. We've gone around and around on this. The fact the Dubs lost a finals is due to a much better competitive environment they found themselves in than the early 90s Bulls were.

There is a distinct reason MJs Bulls didn't get to the top of the hill until after those teams fell off.

There was a clear depression in the NBA after the 80’s teams aged out. The Bulls dominated a less difficult NBA

It reminds me of the recent change of guard in tennis. Novak Djokavic now has the most major championships in history, but he wasn’t rattling them off until Federer and Nadal aged out… and there were no up and coming stars that were kicking the mid-late 30’s tennis star out the door like normally happens.

While Djokavic has more majors, I don’t have him over Federer because Federer had to face better competition and another all time great in his prime. Same goes for Jordan and the Bulls. They beat who was in front of them, but they are harmed by the relatively low level of finals opponents they faced. Mike Tyson has the same problem.. he never had an all time great to beat when he was in his prime