Jermain Burton

[Cincyfan78]

OK - dude is just flat out dumb. Bengals just need to be done with this clown.

Jermaine Burton facing a second eviction in 2 months

The Bengals have not made any comment.

www.cincyjungle.com

 

[cincygrad]

OK - dude is just flat out dumb. Bengals just need to be done with this clown.

Jermaine Burton facing a second eviction in 2 months

The Bengals have not made any comment.

www.cincyjungle.com

Counterpoint - He hasn't been accused of inappropriate behavior by a single massage therapist.

He'll be cut. Likely end up solving some of the issues with explosiveness on the KC receiving corps.

 

[DanBengalfan]

needs a life coach type therapist. my pastor does that kind of thing for some folks.

but really, someone should check on him to make sure he's still alive, he probably moved out of the apartment awhile ago.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Apparently - he is being evicted because he has dogs when the landlord has stated - no dogs (or maybe a specific type? didn't specify). Either way, he has a dog(s) when said dog(s) was against the rules.

 

[cincygrad]

Apparently - he is being evicted because he has dogs when the landlord has stated - no dogs (or maybe a specific type? didn't specify). Either way, he has a dog(s) when said dog(s) was against the rules.

Yeah, I read it was actually family staying at his place and they had their dogs with them. To me, this reeks of something else going on. Landlords don't like going through the eviction process. They likely would have just asked them to remove the dogs. I'm guessing there was either damage or disagreement that would lead to this.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Yeah, I read it was actually family staying at his place and they had their dogs with them. To me, this reeks of something else going on. Landlords don't like going through the eviction process. They likely would have just asked them to remove the dogs. I'm guessing there was either damage or disagreement that would lead to this.

100% agree. Landlords can't just evict without good reason. They have to go through a whole process and get court order if they have legit reason. My guess is they were his dogs and there was some other issues as well.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Good article on Burton: Bengals QB Joe Burrow Throws Support Behind Jermaine Burton and His Redemption Project

Now, comes with a large chunk of salt because, after last year - it's hard to know really where his head is at. ZT and JB both went to bat for him quite often last year, even as he continued to rack up idiotic things both on, but mostly off, the field.

That all being said - IF, large IF, he can get to a point where his work ethic meets his talent...Bengals are going to be in a really good spot with skill positions on offense...even more so than they already are. Running a 3-wide set with Higgins, Chase, Burton and even splitting out Gesicki gets really, really interesting. Then you think about Brown in the backfield...imagine what he can do with all those light boxes as defenses spread out to cover everyone and everything...

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Good article on Burton: Bengals QB Joe Burrow Throws Support Behind Jermaine Burton and His Redemption Project

Now, comes with a large chunk of salt because, after last year - it's hard to know really where his head is at. ZT and JB both went to bat for him quite often last year, even as he continued to rack up idiotic things both on, but mostly off, the field.

That all being said - IF, large IF, he can get to a point where his work ethic meets his talent...Bengals are going to be in a really good spot with skill positions on offense...even more so than they already are. Running a 3-wide set with Higgins, Chase, Burton and even splitting out Gesicki gets really, really interesting. Then you think about Brown in the backfield...imagine what he can do with all those light boxes as defenses spread out to cover everyone and everything...

At that point, that line better be ready, because as a defensive coordinator...the only way I feel you can stop that is getting to Burrow. Means, go man, hope your guys can cover for 2 to 3 seconds, and blitz the rest.

 

[Cincyfan78]

At that point, that line better be ready, because as a defensive coordinator...the only way I feel you can stop that is getting to Burrow. Means, go man, hope your guys can cover for 2 to 3 seconds, and blitz the rest.

Could be a death sentence, though. In the 2024 season, Joe Burrow had a 75.6 PFF grade when under pressure, which was the best in the NFL.

He also led the league with 15 passing touchdowns and 7.9 yards per attempt when under pressure.

Additionally, Burrow's 72.9% adjusted completion rate under pressure was the highest in the league.



I might argue, the path forward might just be...rush 3/4 and hope that the OL is so bad they can't block those 3/4, and that allows you to drop 7 or 8 into coverage...playing a mix of man, with zone elements to help take away the soft spots...But reality is...Bengals offense is poised to be even better in 2025 and they were setting franchise records in 2024...just. stay. healty.

 

[cincygrad]

Could be a death sentence, though. In the 2024 season, Joe Burrow had a 75.6 PFF grade when under pressure, which was the best in the NFL.

He also led the league with 15 passing touchdowns and 7.9 yards per attempt when under pressure.

Additionally, Burrow's 72.9% adjusted completion rate under pressure was the highest in the league.



I might argue, the path forward might just be...rush 3/4 and hope that the OL is so bad they can't block those 3/4, and that allows you to drop 7 or 8 into coverage...playing a mix of man, with zone elements to help take away the soft spots...But reality is...Bengals offense is poised to be even better in 2025 and they were setting franchise records in 2024...just. stay. healty.

Good news for the opposition.... The line MIGHT be that bad. Looks like the Bengals quietly renegotiated with Volson so they could guarantee a roster spot to a guy that was benched. But hell, at least it's cheap. At this point, it looks like they have no real desire to add a veteran starter. They will go to war with a rookie and a bunch of spare parts at guard. But kudos to the club for saving money on trash that should have just been cut.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Good news for the opposition.... The line MIGHT be that bad. Looks like the Bengals quietly renegotiated with Volson so they could guarantee a roster spot to a guy that was benched. But hell, at least it's cheap. At this point, it looks like they have no real desire to add a veteran starter. They will go to war with a rookie and a bunch of spare parts at guard. But kudos to the club for saving money on trash that should have just been cut.

We knew this already, though, even before Volson...the chance of another veteran OL was pretty slim to none...and slim never bothered to even show up.

Brown at LT, rookie LG, Karras at C, Ford/FA/Other will battle for the RG spot, and Mims at RT...

Honestly - if Fairchild works out, and I think there's at least thought he can be league average, the line isn't that bad. The OT's and C last year were solid enough (Brown was REALLY good before his injury he played through and was still decent after). The two OG spots were just brutally bad.

Mims with a year under his belt, Brown healthy, Karras has been pretty good...if Fairchild is at least league average...4 of the 5 spots aren't that bad. Questions will surround the RG spot, but I do think there is at least some reason to think this OL in general should be as good as it's been since Cappa/Karras were 1st signed and played well that 1st year with Williams at LT....

 

[DanBengalfan]

Good article on Burton: Bengals QB Joe Burrow Throws Support Behind Jermaine Burton and His Redemption Project

Now, comes with a large chunk of salt because, after last year - it's hard to know really where his head is at. ZT and JB both went to bat for him quite often last year, even as he continued to rack up idiotic things both on, but mostly off, the field.

That all being said - IF, large IF, he can get to a point where his work ethic meets his talent...Bengals are going to be in a really good spot with skill positions on offense...even more so than they already are. Running a 3-wide set with Higgins, Chase, Burton and even splitting out Gesicki gets really, really interesting. Then you think about Brown in the backfield...imagine what he can do with all those light boxes as defenses spread out to cover everyone and everything...

well, we all gotta grow up sometime. or we can go to jail. one of those 2.

 

[Cincyfan78]

well, we all gotta grow up sometime. or we can go to jail. one of those 2.

No doubt.

Story as old as time, though. Uber talented kid gets to slide by for the first 18-22 years of his life because of his talent, and then when he hits the pros, finds out he's on his own, and has to actually look at this like a job. They find out they are replaceable because in the NFL/MLB/NBA ... everyone is talented.

Unless you are the elite of the elite - no one will put up with your bullshit.

 

[cincygrad]

We knew this already, though, even before Volson...the chance of another veteran OL was pretty slim to none...and slim never bothered to even show up.

Brown at LT, rookie LG, Karras at C, Ford/FA/Other will battle for the RG spot, and Mims at RT...

Honestly - if Fairchild works out, and I think there's at least thought he can be league average, the line isn't that bad. The OT's and C last year were solid enough (Brown was REALLY good before his injury he played through and was still decent after). The two OG spots were just brutally bad.

Mims with a year under his belt, Brown healthy, Karras has been pretty good...if Fairchild is at least league average...4 of the 5 spots aren't that bad. Questions will surround the RG spot, but I do think there is at least some reason to think this OL in general should be as good as it's been since Cappa/Karras were 1st signed and played well that 1st year with Williams at LT....

It's so dumb though.... A veteran guard could have bought you a nice insurance policy without breaking the bank. And again, what are they doing with the money they have? There is still more than 20 million left under the cap. What on Earth could you save it for? And yes, IF Fairchild is decent and IF someone plays average at right guard, you're likely in good shape. But, once again the depth is non-existant, you're swing tackle is Cody Ford, you have a RT that hasn't proven an ability to be healthy in either of his two seasons (college and pro) as a starter, and your left tackle is coming off his first real injury in the NFL. So again, if things work, you're in good shape.... They rarely do.

This reminds me of one of the key features of the '21 season. We had unusual injury luck that year. The Bengals point to a season like that and make it seem like it's a real possibility - In reality, most seasons will contain significant injuries and serious teams make moves to guard against a slip when starters get hurt.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

It's so dumb though.... A veteran guard could have bought you a nice insurance policy without breaking the bank. And again, what are they doing with the money they have? There is still more than 20 million left under the cap. What on Earth could you save it for? And yes, IF Fairchild is decent and IF someone plays average at right guard, you're likely in good shape. But, once again the depth is non-existant, you're swing tackle is Cody Ford, you have a RT that hasn't proven an ability to be healthy in either of his two seasons (college and pro) as a starter, and your left tackle is coming off his first real injury in the NFL. So again, if things work, you're in good shape.... They rarely do.

This reminds me of one of the key features of the '21 season. We had unusual injury luck that year. The Bengals point to a season like that and make it seem like it's a real possibility - In reality, most seasons will contain significant injuries and serious teams make moves to guard against a slip when starters get hurt.

If they are legitimately trying to work something out with Trey, you can understand why they are saving it for now. But you would think they would want to move a little quicker to insure you have a chance at one of those veteran guards later if you can still afford it after Trey. If that never occurs, they are probably rolling it over a portion for next years cap if the Trey saga pushes into training camp.

 

[Cincyfan78]

It's so dumb though.... A veteran guard could have bought you a nice insurance policy without breaking the bank. And again, what are they doing with the money they have? There is still more than 20 million left under the cap. What on Earth could you save it for? And yes, IF Fairchild is decent and IF someone plays average at right guard, you're likely in good shape. But, once again the depth is non-existant, you're swing tackle is Cody Ford, you have a RT that hasn't proven an ability to be healthy in either of his two seasons (college and pro) as a starter, and your left tackle is coming off his first real injury in the NFL. So again, if things work, you're in good shape.... They rarely do.

This reminds me of one of the key features of the '21 season. We had unusual injury luck that year. The Bengals point to a season like that and make it seem like it's a real possibility - In reality, most seasons will contain significant injuries and serious teams make moves to guard against a slip when starters get hurt.

Oh, no doubt. They could have easily shored up RG in F/A and still got Fairchild for LG and been set with Ford/Voson being your depth guys, along with Lee and Kirkland, and the OT they took in the 5th round or so...all at least decent depth, if not great had they gone that route.

Zero argument. Just pointing out that last year the LT/C/RT all played decently enough (with Brown and Karras being pretty good and Mims improving through the year). If Fairchild is at least league average, or around, then you have 4 of the 5 spots that are decent enough. Is it the ideal situation? No - but it's the Bengals, and they may have lucked their way into another stretch of at least decent play on crappy contracts...

 

[cincygrad]

If they are legitimately trying to work something out with Trey, you can understand why they are saving it for now. But you would think they would want to move a little quicker to insure you have a chance at one of those veteran guards later if you can still afford it after Trey. If that never occurs, they are probably rolling it over a portion for next years cap if the Trey saga pushes into training camp.

I still can't understand it. If they work something out with Trey, it probably doesn't do a whole lot to the cap. He's looking for multiple years, so a bonus would be spread. He's already on the hook for 16 million. Hell, they could just give him 10 million more for one season and we'd still be over 10 million in cap space. And I have no idea why they need to save anything for next year. We are already due to have 55 million in cap space for next offseason and not many people left that will need to be paid like stars. You might be looking at a deal for OBJ or one of the young corners if they earn it, but not much else.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I still can't understand it. If they work something out with Trey, it probably doesn't do a whole lot to the cap. He's looking for multiple years, so a bonus would be spread. He's already on the hook for 16 million. Hell, they could just give him 10 million more for one season and we'd still be over 10 million in cap space. And I have no idea why they need to save anything for next year. We are already due to have 55 million in cap space for next offseason and not many people left that will need to be paid like stars. You might be looking at a deal for OBJ or one of the young corners if they earn it, but not much else.

From what I can gather - Trey wants multiple years AND guarantees paid into year 2. That, IMO, is the sticking point - more so than the years. I think the Bengals would do a 3 year deal (This year re-negotiated, and 2 more) but they are balking at the guaranteed money request for year 2.

This is something that has never been done before until Burrow, Chase, Higgins. It makes sense to break this mold for them. Not only are the also elite skill position players, but they are all also mid-20's. Prime of career. Whether Trey wants to admit it, or not, he's on the backside of his career. That's not to say he can get out there and rack up 10-12-14 sacks in 2025...but the Bengals want to hedge against a guy dropping off a cliff at 31/32 in 2026 going from 12 to 4...

That all being said...Maybe guarantee half the year - come to some sort of an agreement where Trey can still get some guaranteed money in year 2, but not have the full year guaranteed.

Like it or not, for Trey, the Bengals hold all of the cards. He'll hold out, for sure. The question is - how long? Then the question becomes - can he return in mid-season, while everyone is in mid-season form - and just be knocking the rust off after 5-6-8 games...At nearing 31 during the season - you simply do not want to even allow others to entertain the thought that drop-off might be the beginning - rather than maybe just some rust...and at 31-32 into the 2026 season...you are asking a new team, who does not know you, bank on paying you a lot of money....

 

[BKBroiler9000]

Instead of dispelling the “cheapo Bengals” narrative once and for all, Katie seems to be doubling down like never before.

They easily could’ve improved this football team at a discount and competed for an AFC championship.

Instead they front loaded two WR contracts that should’ve been done ages ago to shut up their QB in the media. Then did nothing but shave money by keeping slop around and adding some C+ level plug ins and a few questionable draft choices. All to keep cap space for…..?

I genuinely don’t get what they gain from squeezing the blood out of the turnip and pinching every penny like they have this offseason. They clearly don’t want to pay Trey. They clearly don’t want to do anything. Maybe Katie just wants to play lawyer and rub one out to bad contract clauses that cost them more money in 3 years to feel big and bad. Or stick it to daddy for making her run the family business. Who knows.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Not sure what the plan is for the Bengals/Trey - it would 100% help if they actually communicated w/the player. That's been a theme going back forever. It's not hard to pick up the phone and talk to the player, or agent.

Also, I think it was a 100% dick move to have Taylor make the call to Trey to tell him about being fined for not being at mandatory camp. What the actual F is that? As the owner/GM, one would think you would want to keep the players and coaches on good terms. Making the coach have that conversation with the player can directly pit the coach vs the player - which is exactly what you DON'T want.

Thankfully, seems like ZT handled it well on his end, and Trey understood that it wasn't ZT talking but ownership...but still...


As for Burton - IF he can help this year, he could stand to see a big 2nd year jump. Not hard considering how poorly his 1st year went...but he could be another dimension on this offense that teams have to kind of figure out what to do with. Also, if he rounds into form - he provides much needed depth.