So Sanders not getting drafted through 3 rounds is clearly collision right?

[Mr. Friscus]

except he was taken in the 5th round... 4th and later teams may be drafting for backup QB, even if they dont need a starter... and he still fell to a team that actually needed a QB.... which is the weird part to me...

it was almost like the Browns third round pick was a placeholder for everyone just to be like ok browns, you can take him on day three... no, i dont actually think that... just found it extra weird that he went to the browns...

All the drama is kryptonite to NFL teams. This is well established. That’s why Tebow and Kaepernick were avoided. And Sanders hasn’t even played a snap, so there’s not even any success to back up his baggage with.

The only way to overcome drama is if your play outweighs it. Watson was a top-5 QB in Houston, so the Browns took his sleazy drama but it turns out Watson ain’t all that anymore

No collusion.. just NFL teams acting like NFL teams in NFL culture. This isn’t the NBA

 

[VikingFan2k2]

All the drama is kryptonite to NFL teams. This is well established. That’s why Tebow and Kaepernick were avoided. And Sanders hasn’t even played a snap, so there’s not even any success to back up his baggage with.

The only way to overcome drama is if your play outweighs it. Watson was a top-5 QB in Houston, so the Browns took his sleazy drama but it turns out Watson ain’t all that anymore

No collusion.. just NFL teams acting like NFL teams in NFL culture. This isn’t the NBA

It is obnoxious and elitist, but I get it. Lack of drama and media is a good thing in the NFL. It's a big reason that I want no part of Aaron Rodgers, even at the league minimum. We have been through the circus before with Favre and we all saw how that went.

 

[Cincyfan78]

It is obnoxious and elitist, but I get it. Lack of drama and media is a good thing in the NFL. It's a big reason that I want no part of Aaron Rodgers, even at the league minimum. We have been through the circus before with Favre and we all saw how that went.

Teams will put up with it if they feel you are an elite talent. Sanders does not do 1 thing that is "elite". His arm, recognition, and other traits are average to maybe slightly above average. His comp% is very impressive, but came with the caveat that roughly 70% of his throws were targeted 3 yards or less. That means roughly 70% of the yards he threw for were his WR's YAC.

So, yes - it's elitist in a way - but people put up with Favre for years. Rodgers for years. Etc..etc...the reason people soured on them at the end is because they were no longer elite, and the baggage that came with them wasn't worth it.

 

[wildturkey]

Stop the “32 teams” BS.. only like 7-8 we’re looking for a QB.

What happened? It was a 3 headed monster for this kid:

1. His Dad went on multiple shows in January and said there were certain teams they wouldn’t play for, and they would dictate things. And, the bad teams that heard that assumed it was them, and listened.

2. Sanders reportedly didn’t represent himself well in interviews at all. You’d think Deion would coach his kid up to be what teams want, not to be something they don’t

3. The sports media has a hand in it. Deion worked for all the big names, and I think his friends and colleagues didn’t want to harm Deion’s kid because they like Deion, so they all sat back and didn’t say anything and let the lie remain (kind of like how the MSM sat back and refused to say anything when Joe Biden was clearly demented)

All-in-all.. Deion largely directly or indirectly caused his kid to fall. That being said, Sanders has all the motivation in the world to come out and prove everyone wrong.

As a Browns fan, I’m fine with getting him at 144 in the 5th round.

But there was no collusion. Deion just led his kid astray and sabotaged his draft stock, and the media played a long

There was definitely collision. The entire league is built on collision

 

[Mebert]

but can you imagine a better version of a player on a team that might let him evolve... even that has upside.... especially if the downside is Pennington...

In my view his upside as Pennington, not his downside. I guess we will see what comes of it. All just speculation at this point.

 

[Tainthappening]

 

[fastforward]

...Browns had a clear plan, play a high floor low upside qb this year, then use their multiple 1sts in next year's qb heavy draft to get their guy. Owner stomped out all the planning of the professionals.

Sanders is inconsequential, the owner is an embarrassment.

Going into preseason with Flacco, Pickett, and Gabriel battling for the QB1 job isn't a plan. That scenario is what happens when you either don't have a plan or your plan is wiped out by a hurricane/earthquake/plane crash/other disaster.

 

[Cincyfan78]

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If the Browns are smart (and I realize this may be asking a lot) they say "No". Not only do they say "No", but they say "Hell No".


Time for Daddy to realize he needs to stay out of the way, and he's a big part of the problem - not the answer.

 

[Battlelyon]

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Shedeur should say to his dad about going with him




But it won't happen

 

[Battlelyon]

 

[Battlelyon]

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As for the Browns, Andrew Berry has to be pissed at Haslam for putting him in this situation.

 

[Cincyfan78]

He ain't wrong. The entire offense, since even back in HBCU days, was predicated on getting the ball the WR and letting them do all the work. Those WR's in Colorado would have likely started for just about any other P4 team in the nation - that was an elite position group. Sanders was allowed to take 1 step drops from shotgun, and fire immediately to a predetermined WR within 3 yards. Zero defensive reads. Honestly, the best part of his game is the ability to extend plays (which may turn into sacks at this level) and find the open WR. Between the broken plays and immediate quick passes/screens...Sanders probably was asked to read defenses about 10-15% of his passes. Maybe.

 

[Cincyfan78]

As for the Browns, Andrew Berry has to be pissed at Haslam for putting him in this situation.

The reaction in the draft room said it all. They did not want him.

 

[seattlefan75]

What I think about the whole Sanders thing is that yes it was a message sent by owners to anyone that wants to politic on how the league does things and talk about how a prospect won't play for bad teams. Well the league was like not only will we not pick you as a 1st day pick but you will be a later rounds pick to a bad organization.

But people need to understand when it comes to players that owners do not care and that players come and go. Owners are not at odds with each other to win games like fans are they are golfing buddies that talk about things are going at their organizations. At the end of the day as long as the value of all the teams go up and they can make a huge profit when they sell its fine. People say that Shedur should make them pay for doing that and become an all pro. Well him becoming an all pro (especially on the browns) is good for the league so owners will still win. He would literally need to be Patrick Mahomes for any kind of regret feeling.

 

[Mebert]

Going into preseason with Flacco, Pickett, and Gabriel battling for the QB1 job isn't a plan. That scenario is what happens when you either don't have a plan or your plan is wiped out by a hurricane/earthquake/plane crash/other disaster.

It is not if you look at everything in 1-year intervals. They entered the draft with the #2 pick in a 1 QB draft.

Taking a high-floor low-ceiling QB in the third to audition as your long term back up, while entering next year's heavy draft with 2 firsts and a shot at an elite QB is an awesome plan.

 

[PIBuckeye]

The NFL has announced they will be retiring the 144th pick in the draft. No team will ever pick 144th ever again. that pick is now "legendary".

 

[Wamu]

Teams will put up with it if they feel you are an elite talent. Sanders does not do 1 thing that is "elite". His arm, recognition, and other traits are average to maybe slightly above average. His comp% is very impressive, but came with the caveat that roughly 70% of his throws were targeted 3 yards or less. That means roughly 70% of the yards he threw for were his WR's YAC.

So, yes - it's elitist in a way - but people put up with Favre for years. Rodgers for years. Etc..etc...the reason people soured on them at the end is because they were no longer elite, and the baggage that came with them wasn't worth it.

How many times did you watch CU over the last two seasons?

Because to question his arm and his on field recognition caught my attention.

His TD to int. ratio was excellent 64 to 13. His arm strength is fine. But what I was surprised with was his down field accuracy. He was connecting on multiple down field bombs each game. And it wasn't just all to Hunter.

He held onto the ball way too long. That's my biggest concern.

His first season at CU he played behind the worst P5 OL in the country. And last season his OL went from the worst to really bad.

 

[Wamu]

The NFL has announced they will be retiring the 144th pick in the draft. No team will ever pick 144th ever again. that pick is now "legendary".

 

[Cincyfan78]

How many times did you watch CU over the last two seasons?

Because to question his arm and his on field recognition caught my attention.

His TD to int. ratio was excellent 64 to 13. His arm strength is fine. But what I was surprised with was his down field accuracy. He was connecting on multiple down field bombs each game. And it wasn't just all to Hunter.

He held onto the ball way too long. That's my biggest concern.

His first season at CU he played behind the worst P5 OL in the country. And last season his OL went from the worst to really bad.

Quite a bit because another team I follow (Cincinnati Bearcats) are in the same league. So, I've seen more than a few games over the past 2 seasons.

His arm is good, not great. It's good enough, but I wouldn't consider it elite by any stretch. His recognition is questionable because 70% of his snaps required him to throw the ball 3 yards or less. If you take away the broken plays where he scrambles - what does that leave you with? About 15% of snaps, maybe, where he actually did a drop-back and had to survey the field. He is a good scrambler in terms of extending the play, but isn't really a true threat to run a ton. I think because of that lack of true dropback sets, it's fair to wonder just how accurate he can be when the offense isn't going to have him throwing 70% of those kinds of passes.

I've said all along, I think he has a high floor, but a low ceiling. In the right scheme, I think he can be pretty good - but I don't see him as a true Franchise QB. In terms of "fit", Miami would have been a good one, because they do exactly that kind of stuff with Tua, Jaylen, and Hill. I think he can be a adequate 2nd tier starter, but would need a lot to go right for him to exceed that. We'll see how it works out for him.

 

[Battlelyon]