2025 Patriots Draft

[Yankee Traveler]

Still makes no sense to me, take a second tier LT in lieu of a RB in today's NFL? RBs are more pawns than ever before and in this deep RB class and shallow LT class a RB at 4 makes no sense to me

No one is reaching for one at 4, we specifically talked about trading down to 10 no more than 14, picking up extra picks and taking a LT between 10 and 14

Just going off your post that referenced #4.

All Good.

 

[BigKen]

Just another little item that we don't know much about, or even care too much about.

NFL Rookie Scales

A look at the rookie scales for each year of the NFL.

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[BigKen]

NFL Rookie Scales

A look at the rookie scales for each year of the NFL.

www.spotrac.com

You want to pay a rookie RB $36.5M with a rookie contract for his first four years.

That's the going price for the fourth pick.

LT? Yes. TE? Yes. CB? Yes. EDge? Yes.

Just not 100% sold on handing a RB the same dollars as the Patriots are paying Stevenson.

 

[nefansince75]

You want to pay a rookie RB $36.5M with a rookie contract for his first four years.

That's the going price for the fourth pick.

LT? Yes. TE? Yes. CB? Yes. EDge? Yes.

Just not 100% sold on handing a RB the same dollars as the Patriots are paying Stevenson.

The move(s) that best improves the team should be the only goal. If that means paying a fair wage based on the scale instead of the position, so be it.

 

[cdumler7]

The move(s) that best improves the team should be the only goal. If that means paying a fair wage based on the scale instead of the position, so be it.

I think the issue here is return on investment. If you take RB they pretty much day 1 have to be a top-10 guy to just even be even with what the 10th best RB makes in the league. Where if you draft a tackle they could be the 35th best tackle in the league and you would still be breaking even on the contract.

I do agree that you take the player you think will be really good for a very long time regardless of position. There is just more risk if you take RB at pick 4 compared to a LT that it hurts your team long-term contract wise if they do not work out.

 

[nefansince75]

I do agree that you take the player you think will be really good for a very long time regardless of position. There is just more risk if you take RB at pick 4 compared to a LT that it hurts your team long-term contract wise if they do not work out.

You agreed with something I didn't say or imply. I said best for the team and not best player overall. I also gave the option of "moves" plural in the case the best player for the team is a bad value at the slot, which puts trade backs or trade ups in play too.

If you take the best available you might lose value because you likely will end up replacing a player that is serviceable instead of filling a more important gap.

 

[cdumler7]

You agreed with something I didn't say or imply. I said best for the team and not best player overall. I also gave the option of "moves" plural in the case the best player for the team is a bad value at the slot, which puts trade backs or trade ups in play too.

If you take the best available you might lose value because you likely will end up replacing a player that is serviceable instead of filling a more important gap.

My bad I misread what you wrote then. As for taking best available I guess my thought is it is hard to go wrong taking really good football players regardless of position or need. The draft isn't just about filling need. That is what FA is supposed to be more for where the draft is looking to the future of your organization. You are drafting someone you view could be a cornerstone player for the next 10-years in the organization. So even if it is at a position you have someone decent at I don't see it being a problem taking that player knowing they are the future for your organization.

 

[nefansince75]

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My bad I misread what you wrote then. As for taking best available I guess my thought is it is hard to go wrong taking really good football players regardless of position or need. The draft isn't just about filling need. That is what FA is supposed to be more for where the draft is looking to the future of your organization. You are drafting someone you view could be a cornerstone player for the next 10-years in the organization. So even if it is at a position you have someone decent at I don't see it being a problem taking that player knowing they are the future for your organization.

I Wasn't arguing against it either, just stating it wasn't a point I was addressing. There are many ways to build a team. Each decision should be measured against any other option to best arrive at best. Decide, then do, then move on with no regrets.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

You want to pay a rookie RB $36.5M with a rookie contract for his first four years.

That's the going price for the fourth pick.

LT? Yes. TE? Yes. CB? Yes. EDge? Yes.

Just not 100% sold on handing a RB the same dollars as the Patriots are paying Stevenson.

Even if he turns out to be twice the RB that Stevenson is?

 

[nefansince75]

Even if he turns out he can keep hold of the ball?

Fify

 

[YankeeRebel]

I am hoping for a K with the 4th overall pick, we need a K

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Fify

Yeah...Yeah, that's what I meant!

 

[YankeeRebel]

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Well...I'm not sold on Hunter and Carter is a...Luxury.

Keeping Maye off his ass is crucial.

But, like Hunter, I'm not sold on any of the LT's at #4.

Honestly, I will not be disappointed with a LT at #4, but I also will not be disappointed if they wait until the 2nd round either.

 

[nefansince75]

Last four words of th video "this is not great"

 

[YankeeRebel]

Last four words of th video "this is not great"

Yep. They may have to reach if they cannot get a trade partner. But let's just say they take him at 4 is it that much of a reach for a position of great need if you only moved down to 10? There is no greater need for this team, at this moment, than LT so that being said is it really a reach if they take him?

 

[nefansince75]

Yep. They may have to reach if they cannot get a trade partner. But let's just say they take him at 4 is it that much of a reach for a position of great need if you only moved down to 10? There is no greater need for this team, at this moment, than LT so that being said is it really a reach if they take him?

I like maximizing value, but I like a successful team better.

 

[Southieinnc]

Yep. They may have to reach if they cannot get a trade partner. But let's just say they take him at 4 is it that much of a reach for a position of great need if you only moved down to 10? There is no greater need for this team, at this moment, than LT so that being said is it really a reach if they take him?

As I've said before, I like Josh Simmons at LT
Simmons would be a reach at #4 but Will Campbell would not. Is that contradictory?

 

[YankeeRebel]

I like maximizing value, but I like a successful team better.

So keep Maye cleaner give him that extra second. I get that. And shit that may be an issue in and of itself. RT pretty set, Center seems like they have hope, if we get a LT that actually works out, how long before Maye avoids panic mode and takes off running. How long before he learns to work then pocket or run as the play unfolds.

 

[YankeeRebel]

As I've said before, I like Josh Simmons at LT
Simmons would be a reach at #4 but Will Campbell would not. Is that contradictory?

That all depends on who is rating each player or how they are viewing each player. I have seen no one put Simmons ahead of Campbell, I have seen Membou in front of Campbell but he's played RT exclusively.