Keim's off-season preview

[chillerdab]

I wouldnt trade two first rounders for Garrett on top of paying him top dollar. That’s too expensive.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I wouldnt trade two first rounders for Garrett on top of paying him top dollar. That’s too expensive.

I can see why you feel this way. But 2 end of the first round picks for such a dominant player is really not too expensive. I'd hate to part with 2 firsts as well but this is a guaranteed impact player at a need positon, can't say that about picks 29 and 32.

 

[skinz2winz]

Btw; Either way ( draftee, Darnold or McCarthy) they aren't trading Garrett. The only way that happens is if they fail to get the guy who they believe is their answer or if Garrett forces the issue.

By going public, is Garrett not forcing the issue here?

 

[Stymietee]

By going public, is Garrett not forcing the issue here?

Nope! What does it matter what he says? The Browns can just play hardball and keep him. However, if he's truly interested in getting out, their determination to keep him forces him to do something to force their hand, namely not reporting and/or ultimately holding out.

Btw; All Garrett has done since becoming a Brown is carrying himself as a professional. He's been a team player and as far as I can tell a model citizen. Let's not make more of a highly unusual public statement from this guy than it needs to be, namely frustration!

 

[skinz2winz]

Nope! What does it matter what he says? The Browns can just play hardball and keep him. However, if he's truly interested in getting out, their determination to keep him forces him to do something to force their hand, namely not reporting and/or ultimately holding out.

Btw; All Garrett has done since becoming a Brown is carrying himself as a professional. He's been a team player and as far as I can tell a model citizen. Let's not make more of a highly unusual public statement from this guy than it needs to be, namely frustration!

I cannot disagree with most of the above however, going PUBLIC with your trade demand doesn't scream professional imo. He and the Browns have talked, his vision and their vision do not align for the future per Garrett. He doesn't have time for a rebuild and let's face it, the Browns imploded with the Watson trade and are certainly in a rebuild. Garrett wants out and he had now made that very well know. He even consulted Lebron in what it would look like if a star demands a trade and would that tarnish, if at all, his legacy.

This is how it shakes out. Garrett is no longer wanting to be a Brown, sorry Browns fans. He has given you his all. The Browns are in no position to win now which is what Garrett wants. He will NOT report to OTA's, he will NOT report to Browns camp. So, either the Browns get ahead of this or they falsely rely on hope to retain him (not a plan) but Garrett has made up his mind. The Browns will have to work out the best trade possibilities for Garrett that help accelerate their rebuild.

Washington should do whatever means necessary to bring him to DC.

 

[Stymietee]

I cannot disagree with most of the above however, going PUBLIC with your trade demand doesn't scream professional imo. He and the Browns have talked, his vision and their vision do not align for the future per Garrett. He doesn't have time for a rebuild and let's face it, the Browns imploded with the Watson trade and are certainly in a rebuild. Garrett wants out and he had now made that very well know. He even consulted Lebron in what it would look like if a star demands a trade and would that tarnish, if at all, his legacy.

This is how it shakes out. Garrett is no longer wanting to be a Brown, sorry Browns fans. He has given you his all. The Browns are in no position to win now which is what Garrett wants. He will NOT report to OTA's, he will NOT report to Browns camp. So, either the Browns get ahead of this or they falsely rely on hope to retain him (not a plan) but Garrett has made up his mind. The Browns will have to work out the best trade possibilities for Garrett that help accelerate their rebuild.

Washington should do whatever means necessary to bring him to DC.

I agree with almost all of this except the "public" thing.
To me, athletes and other entertainers swim in a different stream than most regular folk. There are time constraints when they are athletes and few avenues that offer them positive feedback when they are displeased. Fortunately or unfortunately, going public is one of the few ways for them to get effective attention when back-channel means aren't. This opens them up to judgments deserved and undeserved from a public that often prefers their entertainers to be silent on everything except their game day performances.

I won't comment on your definition of "professionalism" Instead I'll ask you, what would you have done differently if you were in his position?

 

[skinz2winz]

I agree with almost all of this except the "public" thing.
To me, athletes and other entertainers swim in a different stream than most regular folk. There are time constraints when they are athletes and few avenues that offer them positive feedback when they are displeased. Fortunately or unfortunately, going public is one of the few ways for them to get effective attention when back-channel means aren't. This opens them up to judgments deserved and undeserved from a public that often prefers their entertainers to be silent on everything except their game day performances.

I won't comment on your definition of "professionalism" Instead I'll ask you, what would you have done differently if you were in his position?

Recognition is key, so is your representation. Garrett signed a new contract to stay in Cleveland with hopes of building a winner. Clearly that has not happened and likely won't. When you sign that new contract, you are signing a commitment of sorts to honor that said contract. That's why they call them contracts. Wanting out "early" or as some would say, breaking the contract, changing the contract or altering the contract you signed and no one forced you to sign, says a little about who you actually are. Back in the day, a handshake meant you honored what you said and back in the day, should you go back on that handshake, you were no longer honorable. I think you would agree with that statement, Sty.

I would have had the same discussion Garrett had with his organization. If the vision for the future did not line up, I would have asked how we can close the gap on visions to bring a winner to Cleveland before my contract runs up. If the vision still didn't align, I would have told them I no longer am willing to be a Cleveland Brown once my contract expires. It's at the point the organization can make a decision that's best for them. Keep Myles and hope he changes his mind in 2 years when his contract is up or, rest on the fact that when his contract is up, he is no longer a Cleveland Brown. Garrett should honor his current contract he and his agent signed. This whole demanding trades to "get out" of somewhere you were paid well to perform has gotten out of hand. (Jimmy Butler) You gave your word with wet pen and plenty of fortune and fame. Honor it! Worrying about your legacy because Superbowl's were not achieved will not matter. Everyone will remember Joe Thomas, the greatest OT & HOF in team history. Unless of course you are a QB. Number of Superbowl's seems be the rating system for QB's these days.

 

[skinz2winz]

I agree with almost all of this except the "public" thing.
To me, athletes and other entertainers swim in a different stream than most regular folk. There are time constraints when they are athletes and few avenues that offer them positive feedback when they are displeased. Fortunately or unfortunately, going public is one of the few ways for them to get effective attention when back-channel means aren't. This opens them up to judgments deserved and undeserved from a public that often prefers their entertainers to be silent on everything except their game day performances.

I won't comment on your definition of "professionalism" Instead I'll ask you, what would you have done differently if you were in his position?

Definition of PROFESSIONALISM

the conduct, aims, or qualities that characterize or mark a profession or a professional person; the following of a profession (such as athletics) for gain or livelihood… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Not to say this is exact as professionalism can carry a bevy of meaning, standards to uphold.

 

[Stymietee]

Recognition is key, so is your representation. Garrett signed a new contract to stay in Cleveland with hopes of building a winner. Clearly that has not happened and likely won't. When you sign that new contract, you are signing a commitment of sorts to honor that said contract. That's why they call them contracts. Wanting out "early" or as some would say, breaking the contract, changing the contract or altering the contract you signed and no one forced you to sign, says a little about who you actually are. Back in the day, a handshake meant you honored what you said and back in the day, should you go back on that handshake, you were no longer honorable. I think you would agree with that statement, Sty.

I would have had the same discussion Garrett had with his organization. If the vision for the future did not line up, I would have asked how we can close the gap on visions to bring a winner to Cleveland before my contract runs up. If the vision still didn't align, I would have told them I no longer am willing to be a Cleveland Brown once my contract expires. It's at the point the organization can make a decision that's best for them. Keep Myles and hope he changes his mind in 2 years when his contract is up or, rest on the fact that when his contract is up, he is no longer a Cleveland Brown. Garrett should honor his current contract he and his agent signed. This whole demanding trades to "get out" of somewhere you were paid well to perform has gotten out of hand. (Jimmy Butler) You gave your word with wet pen and plenty of fortune and fame. Honor it! Worrying about your legacy because Superbowl's were not achieved will not matter. Everyone will remember Joe Thomas, the greatest OT & HOF in team history. Unless of course you are a QB. Number of Superbowl's seems be the rating system for QB's these days.

I full well understand contractual obligations and honoring the terms of such agreements, but that's not what we're talking about in this case. Unless I completely missed it, Garrett is not in breach and to date has honored all aspects of his contract. What's happening now is an asking to be severed from his obligation to the Cleveland Browns, which in effect is his way of saying they've failed him, not the other way around. It says more about them than Garrett himself.

I too would have made the effort to talk to the Browns before making any public utterances and perhaps he's done that as well. However, assurances only go so far when their actions scream otherwise. (Flacco, Winston, Mayfield) Nobody forced them to fully guarantee that $230M to Watson, nobody told them to move on from Winston and "wild-card Flacco who offered some stability.

 

[Stymietee]

Definition of PROFESSIONALISM

the conduct, aims, or qualities that characterize or mark a profession or a professional person; the following of a profession (such as athletics) for gain or livelihood… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Not to say this is exact as professionalism can carry a bevy of meaning, standards to uphold.

Let's apply that definition to the Browns organization! Perhaps that explains why Garret wants out.

 

[skinz2winz]

I full well understand contractual obligations and honoring the terms of such agreements, but that's not what we're talking about in this case. Unless I completely missed it, Garrett is not in breach and to date has honored all aspects of his contract. What's happening now is an asking to be severed from his obligation to the Cleveland Browns, which in effect is his way of saying they've failed him, not the other way around. It says more about them than Garrett himself.

I too would have made the effort to talk to the Browns before making any public utterances and perhaps he's done that as well. However, assurances only go so far when their actions scream otherwise. (Flacco, Winston, Mayfield) Nobody forced them to fully guarantee that $230M to Watson, nobody told them to move on from Winston and "wild-card Flacco who offered some stability.

And why should they oblige? His contract guaranteed him money, not a super bowl. You can say they failed him but did they.? His contract comes with no guaranteed Super bowl. That's on him, his teammates and coaches.

 

[Stymietee]

And why should they oblige? His contract guaranteed him money, not a super bowl. You can say they failed him but did they.? His contract comes with no guaranteed Super bowl. That's on him, his teammates and coaches.

Nope, that's on management and yes they failed him and his teammates! Now there are rumblings that Denzel Ward also wants out! Ownership and oftentimes management types have longevity players don't have that luxury.
Honestly, they shouldn't oblige, but they HAVE to because that's what's in the best interest of the team. (They should also trade Denzel Ward, David Njoku, and Jerimiah Owusu-Koramoah as well)




· 13h · on MSN
What do most Browns fans think of Myles Garrett’s trade request? – Terry Pluto
I’m a Browns fan and I am not upset at Myles Garrett for requesting a trade. He …

 

[skinz2winz]

Nope, that's on management and yes they failed him and his teammates! Now there are rumblings that Denzel Ward also wants out! Ownership and oftentimes management types have longevity players don't have that luxury.
Honestly, they shouldn't oblige, but they HAVE to because that's what's in the best interest of the team. (They should also trade Denzel Ward, David Njoku, and Jerimiah Owusu-Koramoah as well)



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What do most Browns fans think of Myles Garrett’s trade request? – Terry Pluto
I’m a Browns fan and I am not upset at Myles Garrett for requesting a trade. He …

I'm just playing devils advocate (Both sides) I would like a few of their players honestly. If anything, I want Garrett to Washington to happen.

 

[skinz2winz]

If i recall, most of us wanted JOK when he came out of ND.

 

[skinsdad62]

If i recall, most of us wanted JOK when he came out of ND.

yes a good portion of us liked him , i think dean liked him alot

 

[deanpet21]

yes a good portion of us liked him , i think dean liked him alot

yes but then i heard he had a medical issue which dropped down his draft status.

 

[kbso83432]

Tee Higgins pod on Tuesday with a guy from Cincinnati.

Keim's latest pod from last night.

Silly season
Skins have cap space, so their name will be attached to a lot of players. A lot of it is speculation from the national media. That said, Washington is a destination place for FAs now.

LOS
Need to attack both lines of scrimmage. Skins need to start there to build something sustainable. Coleman gives the team flexibility. He can play LT but might be better elsewhere.

Keim said he talked to people around the league and the feeling is the Skins still need to upgrade their interior and RT. By mentioning Coleman moving, I assumed Keim felt LT was a need as well. Said offensive line got bullied too often and the run game suffered because of it.

Myles Garrett
Still not sure the Browns actually trade Garrett. Keim speculated that this could go down to the trade deadline. Has not been told one way or the other.

Kupp
Rams probably pick up the 7.5m roster bonus. Skins would be on the hook for 12.5m. Very good player for Jayden but can he stay healthy.

Deebo
Peters knows Samuel very well. Could get him for a year, for probably a 5th or 6th. Said Kingsbury would know how to use him. Deebo might chirp a little if he's not getting the ball. Said that was something to keep in mind, but nothing to worry too much about. Keim seemed bullish on Deebo, Kupp not so much.

Cap Sapce
Skins are third but don't have a lot of people signed to the roster right now. Must re-sign a few of their own, so might not be able to sign as many as people think. Reiterated the o-line must be addressed.

Jayden
Knows his role and doesn't want the spotlight. Has a chance to be "one of the greats." Expects Jayden to "get right back in the lab." Jayden is focused on winning football games. Jayden being able to identity QBs by their silloet is evidence of how much film he watches.

Continuity
Was able to keep staff together. QB room is very good and can't express enough how important KK has been to Jayden. KK has been "able to match Jayden's work ethic." Said they were both "film nerds."

Mariota liked being here and loved working beside Jayden. Jayden liked having Mariota around. Mariota has a newborn and his family is out west. He wants a chance to start. Vegas has his old coach Chip and is closer to his family. Didn't rule out Mariota coming back.

 

[j_y19]

After watching the eagles Dline decimate a very good KC oline, we need an upgrade at almost every position in our OLine, sans cosmi (injury dependent) and maybe Biatch.

 

[kbso83432]

After watching the eagles Dline decimate a very good KC oline, we need an upgrade at almost every position in our OLine, sans cosmi (injury dependent) and maybe Biatch.

Offensive line and Defensive line have jumped to the front of the line for me. Eagles rushed four and won in part because their receivers couldn't separate save for Worthy. WR2 is still a need.

 

[Stymietee]

After watching the eagles Dline decimate a very good KC oline, we need an upgrade at almost every position in our OLine, sans cosmi (injury dependent) and maybe Biatch.

Disagree!
They need a LT and guard, they have a RT (Coleman) and guard (Cosmi), they have decent depth too once they fill those two positions.