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[deanpet21]

Disagree.

The point of my responses is to understand why you are supporting Rivera.
To me, it makes little sense for you or anyone to be undecided on Rivera at this point period. I cant see how a single game overrides years and years of information we have on him. We have 3 going on 4 years of frustration and disappointment.

If I am tracking here:
Rivera goes to the playoffs and loses game 1, he is gone.

Rivera goes to the playoffs and wins game 1, welcome back coach Rivera for 2024.

Is this correct? I am not asking what you think harris will do...I am asking you what you personally want to happen. You keep dodging the issue and refuse to say why you would want rivera to stay here and you refuse to answer my questions.

I agree, Rivera should have been fired....but it wasnt logical as harris took over too late. 3 years is plenty of time to show what you can do. Rivera improved 1 game in 3 years. That is bad. Make no mistake, Rivera is here not because of his performance, it is because there was not enough time to build a new front office.

We had Zorn and Spurrier just 2 years each right? The fact that you are still on the fence and 1 game and 1 game only will shape your opinion is just crazy to me. You are literally on the fence and it all boils down to 1 game so you can make up your mind is not logical to me at all. Seems like you are really wanting him here and are mentally coming up with scenarios for him to stay.

its not a single game. its a playoff game and beating the #2 seed.

 

[deanpet21]

Again, past performance generally indicates future actions Dean. We have to rely on harris previous actions because that is all we have to go on with how he will probably handle our situation.

You repeat the same things over and over again.

We all know that you think Rivera should stay if he gets a playoff win. It makes no sense but whatever.

Again, you refuse to see the logic in the situation.

I cant wait until Rivera is gone so we don't have to hear about the glorified 1 playoff win scenerio.

i keep saying the same thing b/c you are not understanding the hypothetical. you can disagree that a playoff win won't save RR. I have no problem with that,.

 

[duke1861]

its not a single game. its a playoff game and beating the #2 seed.

It is one single game dean...and you know just as well as I that if we win...it would be pure luck.

We can't even beat the bears or giants...geez.

 

[duke1861]

i keep saying the same thing b/c you are not understanding the hypothetical. you can disagree that a playoff win won't save RR. I have no problem with that,.

For the millionth time!!!!

Why...why do you think Rivera should be here if he wins in the stupid hypothetical situation.

I dont want to hear about harris...I want to know why you want him to be here.

Does that make sense?

 

[deanpet21]

It is one single game dean...and you know just as well as I that if we win...it would be pure luck.

We can't even beat the bears or giants...geez.

i know. Its probably not going to happen.

 

[deanpet21]

For the millionth time!!!!

Why...why do you think Rivera should be here if he wins in the stupid hypothetical situation.

I dont want to hear about harris...I want to know why you want him to be here.

Does that make sense?

i told you, RR deserves credit if he wins this year in the hypothetical. Its an overachievement if it happens and Harris should recognize that. If Harris wants to blow it up so be it.

 

[duke1861]

i told you, RR deserves credit if he wins this year in the hypothetical. Its an overachievement if it happens and Harris should recognize that. If Harris wants to blow it up so be it.

I still don't follow how it's any overchievement of anything.

It should be Rivera doing his job...which he hasn't.

Nobody cares about vegas...I can assure you no player or coach believes Vegas is the source of truth for all football matters. Those are betting predictions.

You view it as overachievement because of what Vegas is saying, but you refuse to admit that the Vegas line is so low because of riveras incompetence and failure as a GM. The fact that Vegas has the team at 6.5 wins is damning itself. It's not an overachievement dean. You are wrong.

Year 4 with total control should mean making the conference finals. Not getting 9 wins a winning a fluke playoff game.

 

[deanpet21]

I still don't follow how it's any overchievement of anything.

It should be Rivera doing his job...which he hasn't.

Nobody cares about vegas...I can assure you no player or coach believes Vegas is the source of truth for all football matters. Those are betting predictions.

You view it as overachievement because of what Vegas is saying, but you refuse to admit that the Vegas line is so low because of riveras incompetence and failure as a GM. The fact that Vegas has the team at 6.5 wins is damning itself. It's not an overachievement dean. You are wrong.

Year 4 with total control should mean making the conference finals. Not getting 9 wins a winning a fluke playoff game.

vegas is pretty accurate. It wasnt a given that we would make the playoffs this year. No it's an overachievement b/c of the new offense and basically a rookie QB. We were projected to have a good defense the big question coming into this year was Howell, that is why the win total was low.

 

[duke1861]

vegas is pretty accurate. It wasnt a given that we would make the playoffs this year. No it's an overachievement b/c of the new offense and basically a rookie QB. We were projected to have a good defense the big question coming into this year was Howell, that is why the win total was low.

Disagree

Vegas isn't the source of truth. That is the gambler speaking.

We won 8 games last year with a crappy qb..like you said. Turner was a disaster of an OC. We got a SB offensive coordinator and our coach admitted howell was an upgrade. Last year's starter is out of the league.

Our offense was in the 20s in the entire NFL. If you are going to use Vegas as a crutch, so be it. It is sandbagging.

We won 8 games last year and 9 with a playoff win would be simple progress..not an overachievement.

Again, you are dodging the question about why we were only picked to win 6.5 games in Riveras 4th year.

You know I am right.

I am tired of wasting time on this.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

if rr comes back washington will lose a lot of its fanbase.i doubt harris wants that.

 

[duke1861]

if rr comes back washington will lose a lot of its fanbase.i doubt harris wants that.

Nobody wants mediocrity except dean.

 

[duke1861]

vegas is pretty accurate. It wasnt a given that we would make the playoffs this year. No it's an overachievement b/c of the new offense and basically a rookie QB. We were projected to have a good defense the big question coming into this year was Howell, that is why the win total was low.

We are currently 26th or 27th in defense dean...how is the projection on our good defense looking?

So is Vegas accurate or not with this team?

 

[skinsdad62]

forget comparing basketball. You damn well know we dont have a Super Bowl roster. Im sure Harris knows that too. IF HArris was going to give RR a fair shot this year a playoff win should be enough. If Harris made up his mind to already move on thats fine too. I fully understand that RR is gone if we have a losing record and miss the playoffs

i am not going to forget that because its a clear example of harris' mindset RR has had 11 yrs of "fair shot " he has had 3 yrs of "fair shot "

 

[skinsdad62]

ok dean , if we win the one playoff game vs the supposed number 2 seed , then lose in the next game , do you think RR can take the team to the superbowl ?

 

[duke1861]

i am not going to forget that because its a clear example of harris' mindset RR has had 11 yrs of "fair shot " he has had 3 yrs of "fair shot "

I agree skinsdad.

I don't know if the next coach can take us to the super bowl, but I know Rivera can't.
To have total authority over a team for 3 and a half years and be where we are is inexcusable.

I have asked for evidence several times as to why winning a single playoff game would matter and never received one.

I have asked 7 times if Rivera is a good coach and received no answer.

I wad told to forget the past and that Rivera gets a mulligan from his carolina coaching tenure. The name of the game is to support Rivera and to keep him here.

 

[Breed]

i am bringing up the hypothetical b/c that is the only way I believe RR can stay here. you guys disagree, that is why we are going back and forth on this. IF the hypothetical doesnt happen then there is no need for all these messages.

IF Harris is going to give RR a fair shot this year and playoff win should be enough to stay. Im pro RR that way. No pro RR if we lose. lol what music? I said he will be gone if we lose. If you are going to fire RR for winning why have him coach this season? Should have just fired RR and gave the HC to JDR.

RR has had more than a fair shot. 4 years worth in fact. With the exception of drafting Haskins. Every other personnel move was made, authorized or OKed by RR. You keep talking like RR deserves something from Harris. He doesn't. If RR deserves anything it's getting fired. And he continues to talk as if the Skins are an expansion team In year 2. WTF any Skins fan after 4 years of watching this shit would say RR deserves another year if the Skins get to the playoffs n win a game is ass backwards nonsensical to me.

Do this for me dean. Tell me one thing that RR has done to improve the culture of the Skins. Or made them a better on the field team.

 

[skinz2winz]

If Harris makes a change now, it tells the fan base he doesn't tolerate mediocracy nor does he accept losing or losing in the fashion his team has lately. That will give the fan base some hope that this new owner truly does care about his product, the performance of his product, the fan base and his own integrity of what he is selling to his consumers and re-establishing a once proud franchise. I'm thinking he waits however until the team is eliminated from playoff contention before chit canning Ron. I don't see many wins in the near future so by week 12 we should have our answer.

 

[duke1861]

If Harris makes a change now, it tells the fan base he doesn't tolerate mediocracy nor does he accept losing or losing in the fashion his team has lately. That will give the fan base some hope that this new owner truly does care about his product, the performance of his product, the fan base and his own integrity of what he is selling to his consumers and re-establishing a once proud franchise. I'm thinking he waits however until the team is eliminated from playoff contention before chit canning Ron. I don't see many wins in the near future so by week 12 we should have our answer.

This...100%

Rumors are heating up that it could be mid season!!

 

[Stymietee]

no coach on the staff is doing his job worth shit.i feel were be lucky to win another game in 2023,that ,s on the players and coaches.

Actually, I believe that they are maxing out in terms of coaching the talent that they have and displaying their collective talents on the field.

 

[Sportster 72]

I think you all miss Danny.